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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:40 am

I shit you not...

http://fox2now.com/2012/08/19/the-jaco- ... t-19-2012/

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St. Louis – Congressman Todd Akin just released the following statement regarding his interview on the “Jaco Report” broadcast this morning in St. Louis:

“As a member of Congress, I believe that working to protect the most vulnerable in our society is one of my most important responsibilities, and that includes protecting both the unborn and victims of sexual assault. In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it’s clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year. Those who perpetrate these crimes are the lowest of the low in our society and their victims will have no stronger advocate in the Senate to help ensure they have the justice they deserve.

“I recognize that abortion, and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue. But I believe deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action. I also recognize that there are those who, like my opponent, support abortion and I understand I may not have their support in this election.

“But I also believe that this election is about a wide-range of very important issues, starting with the economy and the type of country we will be leaving our children and grandchildren. We’ve had 42 straight months of unacceptably high unemployment, trillion dollar deficits, and Democratic leaders in Washington who are focused on growing government, instead of jobs. That is my primary focus in this campaign and while there are those who want to distract from that, knowing they cannot defend the Democrats’ failed economic record of the last four years, that will continue to be my focus in the months ahead.”

St. Louis, Mo.–McCaskill for Missouri 2012 released the following statement from Sen. Claire McCaskill after Todd Akin said women who are victims of “legitimate rape” don’t get pregnant because their bodies have a way to “shut that whole thing down.” As a former prosecutor, Claire McCaskill has worked closely with hundreds of rape victims and intimately understands their trauma and pain. It is that experience that makes Akin’s statements so outrageous.

“It is beyond comprehension that someone can be so ignorant about the emotional and physical trauma brought on by rape,” said McCaskill. “The ideas that Todd Akin has expressed about the serious crime of rape and the impact on its victims are offensive.”


What are the chances of Akin being kicked out of the race? What makes people make thoroughly ignorant comments like that?

Personally I'd say that he needs his party nomination removed. He should also perhaps spend some time at a rape crisis centre to learn first hand how traumatic rape is. However I suspect that he would probably do further harm if confronted with recent rape victims.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:41 am

Yet he will still get votes from Republicans. Because it doesn't matter how thoroughly disgusting and terrible someone is; if they have an R next to their name, they get votes.
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:44 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:Yet he will still get votes from Republicans. Because it doesn't matter how thoroughly disgusting and terrible someone is; if they have an R next to their name, they get votes.


I keep forgetting that.
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Postby Khadgar » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:46 am

Oh, he's in a close race too. Well it was a close race.

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Postby Simon Cowell of the RR » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:58 am

No, he didn't misspeak. He said exactly what he meant to.

It just happens that a staffer tapped him on the shoulder and informed him that most people find his statement highly offensive and ignorant.
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Postby Yewhohohopia » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:59 am

This guy and Kenneth Clarke should make some kind of joint political statement explaining what constitutes Proper Rape.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:04 am

Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:I shit you not...

http://fox2now.com/2012/08/19/the-jaco- ... t-19-2012/

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St. Louis – Congressman Todd Akin just released the following statement regarding his interview on the “Jaco Report” broadcast this morning in St. Louis:

“As a member of Congress, I believe that working to protect the most vulnerable in our society is one of my most important responsibilities, and that includes protecting both the unborn and victims of sexual assault. In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it’s clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year. Those who perpetrate these crimes are the lowest of the low in our society and their victims will have no stronger advocate in the Senate to help ensure they have the justice they deserve.

“I recognize that abortion, and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue. But I believe deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action. I also recognize that there are those who, like my opponent, support abortion and I understand I may not have their support in this election.

“But I also believe that this election is about a wide-range of very important issues, starting with the economy and the type of country we will be leaving our children and grandchildren. We’ve had 42 straight months of unacceptably high unemployment, trillion dollar deficits, and Democratic leaders in Washington who are focused on growing government, instead of jobs. That is my primary focus in this campaign and while there are those who want to distract from that, knowing they cannot defend the Democrats’ failed economic record of the last four years, that will continue to be my focus in the months ahead.”

St. Louis, Mo.–McCaskill for Missouri 2012 released the following statement from Sen. Claire McCaskill after Todd Akin said women who are victims of “legitimate rape” don’t get pregnant because their bodies have a way to “shut that whole thing down.” As a former prosecutor, Claire McCaskill has worked closely with hundreds of rape victims and intimately understands their trauma and pain. It is that experience that makes Akin’s statements so outrageous.

“It is beyond comprehension that someone can be so ignorant about the emotional and physical trauma brought on by rape,” said McCaskill. “The ideas that Todd Akin has expressed about the serious crime of rape and the impact on its victims are offensive.”


What are the chances of Akin being kicked out of the race? What makes people make thoroughly ignorant comments like that?

Personally I'd say that he needs his party nomination removed. He should also perhaps spend some time at a rape crisis centre to learn first hand how traumatic rape is. However I suspect that he would probably do further harm if confronted with recent rape victims.


I'd say it comes from being a thoroughly ignorant individual, which Akin clearly is.

Someone needs to have yelled out "source?" because it is so out of touch with reality, I don't know how he could ever have come to it. Even a significant portion of people against abortion are reasonable on grounds of rape/saving mothers life, and I've never heard that used as an argument by anyone.
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:04 am

Yewhohohopia wrote:This guy and Kenneth Clarke should make some kind of joint political statement explaining what constitutes Proper Rape.


I had to google the Ken Clarke comment...my god...I am utterly speechless. What a scumbag bastard.
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Hmmm we're losing the election.
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Postby Bodegraven » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:12 am

It's been on the news over here (Netherlands) too.

New England and The Maritimes wrote:Yet he will still get votes from Republicans. Because it doesn't matter how thoroughly disgusting and terrible someone is; if they have an R next to their name, they get votes.

Not necessarily. 538 had an interesting analysis of what could happen to Akin: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/akin-comments-could-swing-missouri-senate-race/
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:14 am

Transhuman Proteus wrote:
Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:[spoiler]I shit you not...

http://fox2now.com/2012/08/19/the-jaco- ... t-19-2012/

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What are the chances of Akin being kicked out of the race? What makes people make thoroughly ignorant comments like that?

Personally I'd say that he needs his party nomination removed. He should also perhaps spend some time at a rape crisis centre to learn first hand how traumatic rape is. However I suspect that he would probably do further harm if confronted with recent rape victims.


I'd say it comes from being a thoroughly ignorant individual, which Akin clearly is.

Someone needs to have yelled out "source?" because it is so out of touch with reality, I don't know how he could ever have come to it. Even a significant portion of people against abortion are reasonable on grounds of rape/saving mothers life, and I've never heard that used as an argument by anyone.


Good point...as usual the media doesn't do any digging. Surely if someone makes a comment like that it is the duty of the journalist* to ask where or why they believe/made such a comment.

* yeah I know real journalism has no function in todays corporate driven media empires
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Postby Forsakia » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:26 am

Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:
Yewhohohopia wrote:This guy and Kenneth Clarke should make some kind of joint political statement explaining what constitutes Proper Rape.


I had to google the Ken Clarke comment...my god...I am utterly speechless. What a scumbag bastard.


Eh?

I don't remember exactly but wasn't his point that statutory rape wasn't really rape or something (I'm happy to be corrected on my hazy memory).
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Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:
Yewhohohopia wrote:This guy and Kenneth Clarke should make some kind of joint political statement explaining what constitutes Proper Rape.


I had to google the Ken Clarke comment...my god...I am utterly speechless. What a scumbag bastard.

Which one? The one I can find has him saying that an 18 year old having sex with a willing 15 year old is not serious rape... which is fair enough (imo).

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Postby Terruana » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:30 am

Person012345 wrote:
Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:
I had to google the Ken Clarke comment...my god...I am utterly speechless. What a scumbag bastard.

Which one? The one I can find has him saying that an 18 year old having sex with a willing 15 year old is not serious rape... which is fair enough (imo).


Forsakia wrote:Eh?

I don't remember exactly but wasn't his point that statutory rape wasn't really rape or something (I'm happy to be corrected on my hazy memory).


It was also something about date rape not being "real rape"
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Postby Person012345 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:31 am

Terruana wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Which one? The one I can find has him saying that an 18 year old having sex with a willing 15 year old is not serious rape... which is fair enough (imo).


Forsakia wrote:Eh?

I don't remember exactly but wasn't his point that statutory rape wasn't really rape or something (I'm happy to be corrected on my hazy memory).


It was also something about date rape not being "real rape"

He was confused and thought that date rape meant sex with an underage (but willing) girl (on a date, presumably).

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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:34 am

Person012345 wrote:
Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:
I had to google the Ken Clarke comment...my god...I am utterly speechless. What a scumbag bastard.

Which one? The one I can find has him saying that an 18 year old having sex with a willing 15 year old is not serious rape... which is fair enough (imo).


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... -rape.html <- vid via link

Kenneth Clarke questions whether date rape is really 'rape'

Kenneth Clarke, the Justice Secretary, is facing calls to resign after suggesting that date rape is not always “rape”.

By John Bingham

12:36PM BST 18 May 2011

He said some cases of date rape or sex with under-age children might not qualify as rape “in the ordinary conversational sense”.

He also refused to agree with the statement “rape is rape”.

His comments came during an appearance on BBC radio Five Live as he sought to defend plans to halve sentences for criminals who plead guilty early.

One victim of an attempted rape who telephoned the programme broke down in tears arguing that his plans would be a “disaster”.

In a series of heated exchanges on the programme he was accused of “patronizing” listeners after dismissing suggestions that rapists would get out of prison in a year as “total nonsense”.

He also insisted that building more prisons would be a waste of time and admitted conditions in some were “dreadful”.

The Justice Secretary and former Tory Home Secretary, rejected suggestions that rapists might be excluded from plans to halve sentences if they plead guilty.

But he went on to say: “Assuming that you and I are taking about rape in the ordinary conversational sense, some man has forcefully…”

The presenter, Victoria Derbyshire, interjected: “Rape is rape.”

But Mr Clarke replied: “No It’s not.

“If an 18-year-old has sex with a 15-year-old and she is perfectly willing that is rape, because she is under age, she can’t consent, anybody who has sex with a 15 year old it’s rape.

“But what you and I are talking about is a man forcefully having sex with a woman and she doesn’t want to, that is rape, a serious crime, of course it’s a serious crime.”

Presented with sentencing statistics showing that the average jail term for rape is five years, Mr Clarke played the figure down remarking: “They include the 18 year old having sex with a 15 year old and they include date rapes, date rapes sometimes can be very confusing.”

Asked whether date rape is not as serious, he said: “Date rape can be as serious as the worst rape but date rape in my, you are quite right to say, very old experience of being in trials, they do vary extraordinarily one from another and in the end the judge has to decide on the circumstances.

“But I’ve never met a judge who confronted with a rapist as you and I would use the term in conversation would give him 12 months, that would be a crazy sentence.”

Mr Clarke admitted that he had not discussed his plans with any rape victims. Moments later a woman called Gabrielle from London was put on the line to relay her experiences of being attacked as she trained for a marathon by a man on a community sentence for other sexual offences.

Breaking down in tears she told him: “If he had not received the community sentence for six sex offences he would not have been out on the day he attacked me, if there wasn’t leniency in the criminal justice system and if he had remained in prison and there was honesty in sentencing and sentences were served in full … my life would have been so different.”

Asked about Mr Clarke’s plans the woman said: “It happened to me it is a disaster. Especially with sex offenders it is a known fact that the absolute vast majority … reoffend.

“To let them out early is saying that any other female who is minding gtheir own business, going about their lawful business, can be a victim.

“In my personal view that cannot be justified. I wouldn’t wish what I went through fighting the criminal justice system for 688 days on my worst enemy.”

Speaking during Prime Minister's Questions in the Commons, Mr Miliband told David cameron: "The Prime Minister when he leaves this chamber should go and look at the comments of the Justice Secretary and then he should say to him very clearly the Justice Secretary should not be in his post at the end of today."
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Postby Northern Dominus » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:35 am

Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:I shit you not...

http://fox2now.com/2012/08/19/the-jaco- ... t-19-2012/

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St. Louis – Congressman Todd Akin just released the following statement regarding his interview on the “Jaco Report” broadcast this morning in St. Louis:

“As a member of Congress, I believe that working to protect the most vulnerable in our society is one of my most important responsibilities, and that includes protecting both the unborn and victims of sexual assault. In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it’s clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year. Those who perpetrate these crimes are the lowest of the low in our society and their victims will have no stronger advocate in the Senate to help ensure they have the justice they deserve.

“I recognize that abortion, and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue. But I believe deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action. I also recognize that there are those who, like my opponent, support abortion and I understand I may not have their support in this election.

“But I also believe that this election is about a wide-range of very important issues, starting with the economy and the type of country we will be leaving our children and grandchildren. We’ve had 42 straight months of unacceptably high unemployment, trillion dollar deficits, and Democratic leaders in Washington who are focused on growing government, instead of jobs. That is my primary focus in this campaign and while there are those who want to distract from that, knowing they cannot defend the Democrats’ failed economic record of the last four years, that will continue to be my focus in the months ahead.”

St. Louis, Mo.–McCaskill for Missouri 2012 released the following statement from Sen. Claire McCaskill after Todd Akin said women who are victims of “legitimate rape” don’t get pregnant because their bodies have a way to “shut that whole thing down.” As a former prosecutor, Claire McCaskill has worked closely with hundreds of rape victims and intimately understands their trauma and pain. It is that experience that makes Akin’s statements so outrageous.

“It is beyond comprehension that someone can be so ignorant about the emotional and physical trauma brought on by rape,” said McCaskill. “The ideas that Todd Akin has expressed about the serious crime of rape and the impact on its victims are offensive.”


What are the chances of Akin being kicked out of the race? What makes people make thoroughly ignorant comments like that?

Personally I'd say that he needs his party nomination removed. He should also perhaps spend some time at a rape crisis centre to learn first hand how traumatic rape is. However I suspect that he would probably do further harm if confronted with recent rape victims.
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The worst part? We in Illinois have to put up with this asshat and his constituents as neighbors.
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Postby Person012345 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:36 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13436429

Mr Clarke said: "That includes date rape, 17-year-olds having intercourse with 15 year olds...

What he clearly did there was say date rape, and then clarify his understanding of that to be statutory rape (which was incorrect).

He later admitted he had confused "date rape" with sex with a willing but underage girl.

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:36 am

all he's saying is that women are liars. that they cant be trusted to make moral decisions because they will lie about rape. that they either want to get a free abortion from the government or they want to kill innocent babies because they are liars.
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Postby Magmia » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:38 am

Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:I shit you not...

http://fox2now.com/2012/08/19/the-jaco- ... t-19-2012/

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St. Louis – Congressman Todd Akin just released the following statement regarding his interview on the “Jaco Report” broadcast this morning in St. Louis:

“As a member of Congress, I believe that working to protect the most vulnerable in our society is one of my most important responsibilities, and that includes protecting both the unborn and victims of sexual assault. In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it’s clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year. Those who perpetrate these crimes are the lowest of the low in our society and their victims will have no stronger advocate in the Senate to help ensure they have the justice they deserve.

“I recognize that abortion, and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue. But I believe deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action. I also recognize that there are those who, like my opponent, support abortion and I understand I may not have their support in this election.

“But I also believe that this election is about a wide-range of very important issues, starting with the economy and the type of country we will be leaving our children and grandchildren. We’ve had 42 straight months of unacceptably high unemployment, trillion dollar deficits, and Democratic leaders in Washington who are focused on growing government, instead of jobs. That is my primary focus in this campaign and while there are those who want to distract from that, knowing they cannot defend the Democrats’ failed economic record of the last four years, that will continue to be my focus in the months ahead.”

St. Louis, Mo.–McCaskill for Missouri 2012 released the following statement from Sen. Claire McCaskill after Todd Akin said women who are victims of “legitimate rape” don’t get pregnant because their bodies have a way to “shut that whole thing down.” As a former prosecutor, Claire McCaskill has worked closely with hundreds of rape victims and intimately understands their trauma and pain. It is that experience that makes Akin’s statements so outrageous.

“It is beyond comprehension that someone can be so ignorant about the emotional and physical trauma brought on by rape,” said McCaskill. “The ideas that Todd Akin has expressed about the serious crime of rape and the impact on its victims are offensive.”

What are the chances of Akin being kicked out of the race? What makes people make thoroughly ignorant comments like that?


Personally I'd say that he needs his party nomination removed. He should also perhaps spend some time at a rape crisis centre to learn first hand how traumatic rape is. However I suspect that he would probably do further harm if confronted with recent rape victims.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The ignorance! I friggin love it! :rofl:

I hope this clown is forced to drop-out, but I doubt he will. This..... this man must have been bashed over the head with a rock when he was a child. Such ignorance must be the product of some sort of tragic accident or parental abuse :p
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Postby Northern Dominus » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:45 am

Magmia wrote:
Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:I shit you not...

http://fox2now.com/2012/08/19/the-jaco- ... t-19-2012/

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What are the chances of Akin being kicked out of the race? What makes people make thoroughly ignorant comments like that?


Personally I'd say that he needs his party nomination removed. He should also perhaps spend some time at a rape crisis centre to learn first hand how traumatic rape is. However I suspect that he would probably do further harm if confronted with recent rape victims.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The ignorance! I friggin love it! :rofl:

I hope this clown is forced to drop-out, but I doubt he will. This..... this man must have been bashed over the head with a rock when he was a child. Such ignorance must be the product of some sort of tragic accident or parental abuse :p
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Re: Real Rape Victims Don't Get Pregnant

Postby Alien Space Bats » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:45 am

This is, of course, just another example of how Republican thinking is no longer grounded in reality, but rather in ideological necessity.

If you start from the premise that abortion is bad, you have to consider the possibility of a rape victim wanting to get an abortion. Since extremism is now the rule withing the GOP rather than the exception, the only ideologically proper response to this situation is to come up with some justification for why a rape victim should have to bear the rapist's baby.

Ultimately, this ideological necessity forces people into various highly uncomfortable positions: There is no such thing as rape (what people call rape is merely Surprise Sex With Strangers™ (in which consent is conferred through situational factors, such as provocative dress or poor life-style decisions involving one's choice in parking spaces); rape exists, but Real Rape™ does not produce babies; or Real Rape™ does produce babies, but these blessed children are a beautiful life-changing gift from God, presented in a sort of "broken" way that only a lifetime of pious reflection can help us truly understand.

If it were just abortion and rape, it would be bad enough. But it's everything: Oil pipelines are good for caribou; global climate change can't be man-made, because only God can change the world; only tax cuts for the rich improve the economy; stimulus spending is only good when a Republican President is in the White House; if your income falls and your expenses don't, then you're spending more money; real world data has no relevance when it comes to discussing economics; and it's not racism to believe that African-Americans don't know the value or importance of work, but it is racism to call such sentiments examples of racist ideation. I could go on and on and on and on, but what would be the point?

It would be like shooting fish in a barrel, only less satisfying.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:06 am

the far right is smelling success in its anti-abortion agenda and is jumping the gun on closing "loopholes" that will some day allow women to get abortions in defiance of the utter ban that they dream of.

if abortion were disallowed except for rape, incest and life of the mother we would have far more claims of rape incest and life threatening conditions. so we'll need to redefine rape as "rape rape" or women will start lying (since women are liars. slutty slutty liars) so they can twart the law.
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Postby Northern Skatchbrod » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:06 am

This is one of the many reasons I hate USA. All your politicians are either naive liberals, moderate militarists, conservative idiots, or just plain dumb. I want to hit this guy.
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