California May Ban "Gay Conversion" Therapy

[Samuraikoku]

I love how Nidaria is practically the only one here to keep calm and defend his points without insults.

Please show me where I insulted anyone.

[Desperate Measures]

I love how Nidaria is practically the only one here to keep calm and defend his points without insults.

I've been calm.

[Madredia]

People should read. I said practically because I knew everyone would start defending how they'd been calm.

[Mavorpen]

I love how Nidaria is practically the only one here to keep calm and defend his points without insults. Regardless of whether he is correct or not, he is at least not going off his rocker.

It's easy to remain calm when you're not the one dealing with a person that makes claims without proof.

[Vectrova]

I love how Nidaria is practically the only one here to keep calm and defend his points without insults.

Excuse me for feeling attacked by people claiming I'm defective, invalid, or mentally ill. That I shouldn't exist, that I'm a stain on divine creation, that I deserve to live in fear.

That tends to make me a little upset.

[Norstal]

I love how Nidaria is practically the only one here to keep calm and defend his points without insults. Regardless of whether he is correct or not, he is at least not going off his rocker.

I already pointed out that labeling homosexuality as a mental disorder is unscientific and unethical unless one provides new evidence and paper to argue otherwise.

That's how academia works. It's not an insult.

[Nidaria]

Judging from the past pages, he is undoubtedly correct.

Still waiting on a reply to me.

I googled up "conversion" and the only things I got were articles about marketing. Would those be adequate?

[Samuraikoku]

People should read. I said practically because I knew everyone would start defending how they'd been calm.

Blanket statements are bad.

Again. Please show me where I insulted anyone.

[Desperate Measures]

People should read. I said practically because I knew everyone would start defending how they'd been calm.

I just want you to love me too.

[Samuraikoku]

Still waiting on a reply to me.

I googled up "conversion" and the only things I got were articles about marketing. Would those be adequate?

No. Bring a source about gay conversion therapy not being torture, and being successful.

I gave you mine. Ball's on your court.

[Sidhae]

Man, how I love to watch these kinds of discussions... Mention something anti-homosexual, and watch the young liberals start throwing ad-hominem shit with foaming mouths, screaming about tolerance and progress, when it is clearly evident from the manner of their speech that they haven't progressed much beyond apes and wouldn't know tolerance if it stood up and hit them with a lead pipe. Or mention something pro-homosexual, and it is assured to attract a few discontent traditionalists who will circle around it like vultures, crapping on the heads of the liberal ape mob below and in turn have shit flung at them, as if they take some kind of masochistic delight in it.

And then there's people like me who realize that their opinions are utterly irrelevant and insignificant, and just keep things heated and going with the occasional cynical, sarcastic comment. Such people like to watch how internet activists and keyboard commandos of both sides try to tear each other apart like their lives depended on it, as if they didn't realize that their "discussion" will not in absolutely any way affect the outcome of the certain legislation in California. They like to watch, put in the occasional witty comment, and wank in self-satisfaction of being better than the common digital mob bickering before them.

Some other people like to throw sarcastic comments contributing nothing to either side, and just playing Nietzsche.

Please explain, how would one "contribute" to this kind of discussion? Or why would anyone even want to contribute anything to this kind of "discussion"?

What I see here is a bunch of people with a very vague understanding of the issue venting their negativity and anger the only way they know. They seem to feel like dousing the opponent in verbal shit will contribute anything to the actual cause, at least I can see no other reason for them to do that with such zeal. It's probably their way of silencing their conscience about not actually being able or capable of doing anything for their cause for real. Arguing and being argued against must give them the feeling that their opinions actually matter to someone, even if it's only another random anonymous nobody on the Internet. And when they are done arguing, having achieved nothing with it, they get back to their petty little lives and be the quiet little drones they are again until the next evening or coffee break.

I really don't see why I should "contribute" anything to either side, so I'll rather just stick to playing Nietzsche and occasionally interrupt the "discussion" with some sarcastic asshole comment. That's my way of venting.

[Norstal]

I love how Nidaria is practically the only one here to keep calm and defend his points without insults.

Excuse me for feeling attacked by people claiming I'm defective, invalid, or mentally ill. That I shouldn't exist, that I'm a stain on divine creation, that I deserve to live in fear.

That tends to make me a little upset.

I am very tempted to sell my "Turn Into a Homosexual" serums in front of churches, but I don't know if they'll understand or not.

[Madredia]

And it doesn't matter because psychological torture and brainwashing is still psychological torture and brainwashing.

When the law catches up to science and finds that conversion therapy is torture and prosecutable as such, then we'll see the real monsters of the world get what they have coming to them; a long confinement in a deep dark place where they can't harm anyone ever again.

Yes so you could take someone to court on charges of psychological abuse, not on charges of trying to make someone not gay. Public condemnation of homosexuality in the media or by people in public could also be construed as psychologically torturing homosexuals, but making that illegal would be wrong. You make minors attend school, of which many should be guilty of brainwashing. So you take that shcool to court for brainwashing (if a judge would even hear that cas lol). Not for teaching. The day a pastor is thrown in jail for preaching and accused of brainwashing is the day America becomes truly a hypocritical and lost nation.

[Samuraikoku]

Please explain, how would one "contribute" to this kind of discussion? Or why would anyone even want to contribute anything to this kind of "discussion"?

What I see here is a bunch of people with a very vague understanding of the issue venting their negativity and anger the only way they know. They seem to feel like dousing the opponent in verbal shit will contribute anything to the actual cause, at least I can see no other reason for them to do that with such zeal. It's probably their way of silencing their conscience about not actually being able or capable of doing anything for their cause for real. Arguing and being argued against must give them the feeling that their opinions actually matter to someone, even if it's only another random anonymous nobody on the Internet. And when they are done arguing, having achieved nothing with it, they get back to their petty little lives and be the quiet little drones they are again until the next evening or coffee break.

I really don't see why I should "contribute" anything to either side, so I'll rather just stick to playing Nietzsche and occasionally interrupt the "discussion" with some sarcastic asshole comment. That's my way of venting.

Don't like arguing? Don't argue. Playing Nietzsche doesn't help you.

[Madredia]

People should read. I said practically because I knew everyone would start defending how they'd been calm.

I just want you to love me too.

Hahah lol

[Nidaria]

I googled up "conversion" and the only things I got were articles about marketing. Would those be adequate?

No. Bring a source about gay conversion therapy not being torture, and being successful.

I gave you mine. Ball's on your court.

Could you direct me to the right place? I am terrible with search engines, and I cannot bring anything up even remotely related to the subject at hand. Thank you.

[Mavorpen]

No. Bring a source about gay conversion therapy not being torture, and being successful.

I gave you mine. Ball's on your court.

Could you direct me to the right place? I am terrible with search engines, and I cannot bring anything up even remotely related to the subject at hand. Thank you.

So what you're saying is... you've been making up shit this entire time.

[Samuraikoku]

No. Bring a source about gay conversion therapy not being torture, and being successful.

I gave you mine. Ball's on your court.

Could you direct me to the right place? I am terrible with search engines, and I cannot bring anything up even remotely related to the subject at hand. Thank you.

I'm not going to reinforce your own opinion.

[Madredia]

Yes so you could take someone to court on charges of psychological abuse, not on charges of trying to make someone not gay. Public condemnation of homosexuality in the media or by people in public could also be construed as psychologically torturing homosexuals, but making that illegal would be wrong. You make minors attend school, of which many should be guilty of brainwashing. So you take that shcool to court for brainwashing (if a judge would even hear that cas lol). Not for teaching. The day a pastor is thrown in jail for preaching and accused of brainwashing is the day America becomes truly a hypocritical and lost nation.

The extent of a law passed on this should be to take away their license.

[Northern Dominus]

And it doesn't matter because psychological torture and brainwashing is still psychological torture and brainwashing.

When the law catches up to science and finds that conversion therapy is torture and prosecutable as such, then we'll see the real monsters of the world get what they have coming to them; a long confinement in a deep dark place where they can't harm anyone ever again.

I highly doubt it is actual torture, but is most likely a victim of yellow and biased journalism. I don't want you to be confined, who will I debate with then?

Um...why would I be confined? I don't practice brutal psychological torture and brainwashing in an attempt to change somebodies sexual orientation and put them at risk for depression and suicide.

Biased Journalism...oh you mean anything that isn't produced by hate groups such as the American Family Association, Family Research Council, NARTH, or the Westboro Baptist Church.

Clearly this yellow journalism comes from sources such as the American Psychological Association, the governing ethical body that all psychologists are beholden and accountable to.
http://drdoughaldeman.com/doc/ScientificExamination.pdf
http://drdoughaldeman.com/doc/GayRights ... Rights.pdf

Or the National Association of SocialWorkers, again an ethical governing body, this one which oversees social workers:
http://www.naswdc.org/diversity/lgb/reparative.asp

You want religious sources then. Okay

How about the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America which allows men and women in same-sex relationships to be clergy
http://www.elca.org/Who-We-Are/Our-Thre ... spx?a=4253

Or how about the Uniterian Universalist church which not only is welcoming of LGBT people but is actively involved in securing their civil rights:
http://www.uua.org/lgbt/index.shtml

Or the Quakers of the Friends General Conference recognizing that LGBT humans are just that humans, and deserving of the same love and compassion that they give to all.
http://www.hrc.org/resources/entry/stan ... ds-quakers

But I suppose none of these sources have a bearing on the debate do they? No you some have sort of moralistic high ground that somehow magically doesn't require any sort of backing or credible sources?

Produce any shred of credible evidence or quit trying to deny the basic human rights and dignities to fellow humans just because what they do with their fun zones makes you slightly uncomfortable.

[Norstal]

No. Bring a source about gay conversion therapy not being torture, and being successful.

I gave you mine. Ball's on your court.

Could you direct me to the right place? I am terrible with search engines, and I cannot bring anything up even remotely related to the subject at hand. Thank you.

If you can't do it then chances are it doesn't exist.

[Nidaria]

Could you direct me to the right place? I am terrible with search engines, and I cannot bring anything up even remotely related to the subject at hand. Thank you.

So what you're saying is... you've been making up s*** this entire time.

No, I have been using my knowledge of morality and my powers of reasoning. Those are most necessary in debates, mind you.

[Auralia]

Even if one assumes that gay conversion therapy doesn't work, it seems silly to ban it outright. Should we ban homeopathy and horoscopes as well?

[Grenartia]

I love how Nidaria is practically the only one here to keep calm and defend his points without insults. Regardless of whether he is correct or not, he is at least not going off his rocker.

I'm not, either. My heart rate is perfectly normal.

People should read. I said practically because I knew everyone would start defending how they'd been calm.

Yes, but your usage of the word practically implies that most of the people in this discussion weren't calm. Now, if you can tell us who exactly, in your opinion was and was not calm, maybe that would help. Though, I don't think the mods would like that very much.

[Samuraikoku]

No, I have been using my knowledge of morality and my powers of reasoning. Those are most necessary in debates, mind you.

Please excuse my bluntness, but so far you've shown neither.