California May Ban "Gay Conversion" Therapy

[Norstal]

The link posted actually refers to licensed practitioners losing their license to practice, so really I'm kind of indifferent to that. If they take away his or her license for attempting to change a homosexual, he can still be privately called in by the parents, or the teen could go for counseling with a pastor, from whom the government cannot remove any license because he has not one to speak of.

Then whatever. I don't care if unlicensed practitioners do it.

[Northern Dominus]

The link posted actually refers to licensed practitioners losing their license to practice, so really I'm kind of indifferent to that. If they take away his or her license for attempting to change a homosexual, he can still be privately called in by the parents, or the teen could go for counseling with a pastor, from whom the government cannot remove any license because he has not one to speak of.

And it doesn't matter because psychological torture and brainwashing is still psychological torture and brainwashing.

When the law catches up to science and finds that conversion therapy is torture and prosecutable as such, then we'll see the real monsters of the world get what they have coming to them; a long confinement in a deep dark place where they can't harm anyone ever again.

[Madredia]

Really? Please, present us with this scientific evidence.

There is none, because Nidaria hates science about as much as he hates being a human being with friends and a life.

Why always with the insults. Be at peace man, stop labeling people saying "There is none" would have sufficed.

[Nidaria]

And ones similar to you are the ones who burst in with your anti-morality hate. You must face the consequences.

Yes, preaching hatred against people because of who they love is moral, whilst pointing out what an insane position that is isn't.

*pause*

Stop it, QAAC! Logic does not matter to conservatives! They can't comprehend it! You won't get shit trying to beat them with it!

You do not understand what morality is or isn't. We do not preach hatred, we espouse correction and gentle guidance.
But of course, ad-hominem attacks do not contain an ounce of hatred and are completely logical.

[Sidhae]

Man, how I love to watch these kinds of discussions... Mention something anti-homosexual, and watch the young liberals start throwing ad-hominem shit with foaming mouths, screaming about tolerance and progress, when it is clearly evident from the manner of their speech that they haven't progressed much beyond apes and wouldn't know tolerance if it stood up and hit them with a lead pipe. Or mention something pro-homosexual, and it is assured to attract a few discontent traditionalists who will circle around it like vultures, crapping on the heads of the liberal ape mob below and in turn have shit flung at them, as if they take some kind of masochistic delight in it.

And then there's people like me who realize that their opinions are utterly irrelevant and insignificant, and just keep things heated and going with the occasional cynical, sarcastic comment. Such people like to watch how internet activists and keyboard commandos of both sides try to tear each other apart like their lives depended on it, as if they didn't realize that their "discussion" will not in absolutely any way affect the outcome of the certain legislation in California. They like to watch, put in the occasional witty comment, and wank in self-satisfaction of being better than the common digital mob bickering before them.

[Grenartia]

The link posted actually refers to licensed practitioners losing their license to practice, so really I'm kind of indifferent to that. If they take away his or her license for attempting to change a homosexual, he can still be privately called in by the parents, or the teen could go for counseling with a pastor, from whom the government cannot remove any license because he has not one to speak of.

Parents to the pastor: BEAT THE GAY OUT OF HIM!!!eleven1

No, they do make mistakes. And they account for them and revise their policies and ethics when new empircal data and results shows a paradigm or ethical practice to be wrong.

Somehow I doubt the bigots and small-minded simpletons masquerading as "conversion therapists" are beholden to the same ethical standards.

They merely have not accepted the new empirical evidence yet. Yes, (not accounting for your ad-hominem attack) we do constantly do review our ideas and compare them to the evidence.

So, you're a conversion therapist?

Tell me, what is the long-term success rate of your 'therapy', compared to the suicide rate?

[Samuraikoku]

You do not understand what morality is or isn't. We do not preach hatred, we espouse correction and gentle guidance.
But of course, ad-hominem attacks do not contain an ounce of hatred and are completely logical.

Again. Your morality is of no consequence.

[Samuraikoku]

Man, how I love to watch these kinds of discussions... Mention something anti-homosexual, and watch the young liberals start throwing ad-hominem shit with foaming mouths, screaming about tolerance and progress, when it is clearly evident from the manner of their speech that they haven't progressed much beyond apes and wouldn't know tolerance if it stood up and hit them with a lead pipe. Or mention something pro-homosexual, and it is assured to attract a few discontent traditionalists who will circle around it like vultures, crapping on the heads of the liberal ape mob below and in turn have shit flung at them, as if they take some kind of masochistic delight in it.

And then there's people like me who realize that their opinions are utterly irrelevant and insignificant, and just keep things heated and going with the occasional cynical, sarcastic comment. Such people like to watch how internet activists and keyboard commandos of both sides try to tear each other apart like their lives depended on it, as if they didn't realize that their "discussion" will not in absolutely any way affect the outcome of the certain legislation in California. They like to watch, put in the occasional witty comment, and wank in self-satisfaction of being better than the common digital mob bickering before them.

Some other people like to throw sarcastic comments contributing nothing to either side, and just playing Nietzsche.

[Nidaria]

The link posted actually refers to licensed practitioners losing their license to practice, so really I'm kind of indifferent to that. If they take away his or her license for attempting to change a homosexual, he can still be privately called in by the parents, or the teen could go for counseling with a pastor, from whom the government cannot remove any license because he has not one to speak of.

And it doesn't matter because psychological torture and brainwashing is still psychological torture and brainwashing.

When the law catches up to science and finds that conversion therapy is torture and prosecutable as such, then we'll see the real monsters of the world get what they have coming to them; a long confinement in a deep dark place where they can't harm anyone ever again.

I highly doubt it is actual torture, but is most likely a victim of yellow and biased journalism. I don't want you to be confined, who will I debate with then?

[Samuraikoku]

And it doesn't matter because psychological torture and brainwashing is still psychological torture and brainwashing.

When the law catches up to science and finds that conversion therapy is torture and prosecutable as such, then we'll see the real monsters of the world get what they have coming to them; a long confinement in a deep dark place where they can't harm anyone ever again.

I highly doubt it is actual torture, but is most likely a victim of yellow and biased journalism. I don't want you to be confined, who will I debate with then?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/31/11-conversion-therapy-methods-curing-homosexuality_n_1068103.html

[Madredia]

The link posted actually refers to licensed practitioners losing their license to practice, so really I'm kind of indifferent to that. If they take away his or her license for attempting to change a homosexual, he can still be privately called in by the parents, or the teen could go for counseling with a pastor, from whom the government cannot remove any license because he has not one to speak of.

And it doesn't matter because psychological torture and brainwashing is still psychological torture and brainwashing.

When the law catches up to science and finds that conversion therapy is torture and prosecutable as such, then we'll see the real monsters of the world get what they have coming to them; a long confinement in a deep dark place where they can't harm anyone ever again.

Yes so you could take someone to court on charges of psychological abuse, not on charges of trying to make someone not gay. Public condemnation of homosexuality in the media or by people in public could also be construed as psychologically torturing homosexuals, but making that illegal would be wrong. You make minors attend school, of which many should be guilty of brainwashing. So you take that shcool to court for brainwashing (if a judge would even hear that cas lol). Not for teaching.

[Desperate Measures]

Man, how I love to watch these kinds of discussions... Mention something anti-homosexual, and watch the young liberals start throwing ad-hominem shit with foaming mouths, screaming about tolerance and progress, when it is clearly evident from the manner of their speech that they haven't progressed much beyond apes and wouldn't know tolerance if it stood up and hit them with a lead pipe. Or mention something pro-homosexual, and it is assured to attract a few discontent traditionalists who will circle around it like vultures, crapping on the heads of the liberal ape mob below and in turn have shit flung at them, as if they take some kind of masochistic delight in it.

And then there's people like me who realize that their opinions are utterly irrelevant and insignificant, and just keep things heated and going with the occasional cynical, sarcastic comment. Such people like to watch how internet activists and keyboard commandos of both sides try to tear each other apart like their lives depended on it, as if they didn't realize that their "discussion" will not in absolutely any way affect the outcome of the certain legislation in California. They like to watch, put in the occasional witty comment, and wank in self-satisfaction of being better than the common digital mob bickering before them.

I get more out of it then that. I've had my views tempered and even changed through arguing them. I think it's made me a better person.

[Euroslavia]

Man, how I love to watch these kinds of discussions... Mention something anti-homosexual, and watch the young liberals start throwing ad-hominem shit with foaming mouths, screaming about tolerance and progress, when it is clearly evident from the manner of their speech that they haven't progressed much beyond apes and wouldn't know tolerance if it stood up and hit them with a lead pipe. Or mention something pro-homosexual, and it is assured to attract a few discontent traditionalists who will circle around it like vultures, crapping on the heads of the liberal ape mob below and in turn have shit flung at them, as if they take some kind of masochistic delight in it.

And then there's people like me who realize that their opinions are utterly irrelevant and insignificant, and just keep things heated and going with the occasional cynical, sarcastic comment. Such people like to watch how internet activists and keyboard commandos of both sides try to tear each other apart like their lives depended on it, as if they didn't realize that their "discussion" will not in absolutely any way affect the outcome of the certain legislation in California. They like to watch, put in the occasional witty comment, and wank in self-satisfaction of being better than the common digital mob bickering before them.

I stopped reading after I finished the underlined part, where you do exactly what you insulted.

[Nidaria]

The link posted actually refers to licensed practitioners losing their license to practice, so really I'm kind of indifferent to that. If they take away his or her license for attempting to change a homosexual, he can still be privately called in by the parents, or the teen could go for counseling with a pastor, from whom the government cannot remove any license because he has not one to speak of.

Parents to the pastor: BEAT THE GAY OUT OF HIM!!!eleven1

They merely have not accepted the new empirical evidence yet. Yes, (not accounting for your ad-hominem attack) we do constantly do review our ideas and compare them to the evidence.

So, you're a conversion therapist?

Tell me, what is the long-term success rate of your 'therapy', compared to the suicide rate?

¹ There you go again....
² No, I am not. However, the long-term success rate is quite high, with the suicide rate about the same as with other major therapies.

[Desperate Measures]

Parents to the pastor: BEAT THE GAY OUT OF HIM!!!eleven1



So, you're a conversion therapist?

Tell me, what is the long-term success rate of your 'therapy', compared to the suicide rate?

¹ There you go again....
² No, I am not. However, the long-term success rate is quite high, with the suicide rate about the same as with other major therapies.

Source for 2, please.

[Grenartia]

we espouse correction and gentle guidance.

Implying that there's something to correct.

[Samuraikoku]

² No, I am not. However, the long-term success rate is quite high, with the suicide rate about the same as with other major therapies.

I gave you a source proving it's torture. Give a source proving it's successful.

[Nidaria]

Man, how I love to watch these kinds of discussions... Mention something anti-homosexual, and watch the young liberals start throwing ad-hominem shit with foaming mouths, screaming about tolerance and progress, when it is clearly evident from the manner of their speech that they haven't progressed much beyond apes and wouldn't know tolerance if it stood up and hit them with a lead pipe. Or mention something pro-homosexual, and it is assured to attract a few discontent traditionalists who will circle around it like vultures, crapping on the heads of the liberal ape mob below and in turn have shit flung at them, as if they take some kind of masochistic delight in it.

And then there's people like me who realize that their opinions are utterly irrelevant and insignificant, and just keep things heated and going with the occasional cynical, sarcastic comment. Such people like to watch how internet activists and keyboard commandos of both sides try to tear each other apart like their lives depended on it, as if they didn't realize that their "discussion" will not in absolutely any way affect the outcome of the certain legislation in California. They like to watch, put in the occasional witty comment, and wank in self-satisfaction of being better than the common digital mob bickering before them.

I stopped reading after I finished the underlined part, where you do exactly what you insulted.

Judging from the past pages, he is undoubtedly correct.

[Vectrova]

Parents to the pastor: BEAT THE GAY OUT OF HIM!!!eleven1



So, you're a conversion therapist?

Tell me, what is the long-term success rate of your 'therapy', compared to the suicide rate?

¹ There you go again....
² No, I am not. However, the long-term success rate is quite high, with the suicide rate about the same as with other major therapies.

Bullshit. Prove it. There's scores of sources in this very thread detailing the inordinate suicide rate of victims of this "therapy". Can you name even one reputable source that says otherwise?

[Genivaria]

Yes, preaching hatred against people because of who they love is moral, whilst pointing out what an insane position that is isn't.

*pause*

Stop it, QAAC! Logic does not matter to conservatives! They can't comprehend it! You won't get shit trying to beat them with it!

You do not understand what morality is or isn't. We do not preach hatred, we espouse correction and gentle guidance.
But of course, ad-hominem attacks do not contain an ounce of hatred and are completely logical.

Still waiting on that evidence.

[Euroslavia]

I stopped reading after I finished the underlined part, where you do exactly what you insulted.

Judging from the past pages, he is undoubtedly correct.

Yes, because one internet debate clearly defines how all liberals react. Makes total sense to me.

[Grenartia]

Parents to the pastor: BEAT THE GAY OUT OF HIM!!!eleven1



So, you're a conversion therapist?

Tell me, what is the long-term success rate of your 'therapy', compared to the suicide rate?

¹ There you go again....
² No, I am not. However, the long-term success rate is quite high, with the suicide rate about the same as with other major therapies.

1. Its called a joke.

2. Unbiased proof?

[Samuraikoku]

Judging from the past pages, he is undoubtedly correct.

Still waiting on a reply to me.

[Mavorpen]

¹ There you go again....
² No, I am not. However, the long-term success rate is quite high, with the suicide rate about the same as with other major therapies.

Even the Gay Converters know it doesn't work.

[Madredia]

I love how Nidaria is practically the only one here to keep calm and defend his points without insults. Regardless of whether he is correct or not, he is at least not going off his rocker.