California May Ban "Gay Conversion" Therapy

[Zaras]

All hail the APA! They are infallible and possess all wisdom! Mistakes are unknown to them!

Their job is determining mental disorders. I'd wager they know more about it than you.

I'm pretty sure we know more about it than Nidaria, too.

[Nidaria]

You guys need to lay off Nidaria. his personal beliefs aren't the subject of this thread.

It does not matter. They have not had the chance to learn mercy. In any case, I am more than capable of defending myself and my personal beliefs.

[Zaras]

You guys need to lay off Nidaria. his personal beliefs aren't the subject of this thread.

No, we don't. He's the one who burst in with his anti-gay hate, he's the one who puts up with the consequences. It's still on topic.

[Norstal]

All hail the APA! They are infallible and possess all wisdom! Mistakes are unknown to them!

The largest organization of psychiatrists in the US can't be considered a trustworthy source on what is and isn't a mental disorder?

Oh right, you're a conservative. Science is the devil to you. How stupid of me.

I swear they'll plunge us all into the dark ages once more.

[Grenartia]

Madredia, what non-Christians like yourself often fail to understand is that it doesn't matter whether or not homosexuality is "natural" since it's perfectly legitimate and proper in its own right.

What are you saying? I meant that if Homosexuality was natural, it wouldn't be wrong, because why would God create people whose existence defies what he wants and they can't change that.

And, you know what God wants better than anybody else, how?

Additionally, the people organising any camp that would carry out torture are NOT Christian as Jesus once said "Let he who is without sin be the first to cast the stone." He stopped the stoning of a prostitute even though that was the law then. He wouldn't support this. But he did tell the woman to go and sin no more. And if ANYONE EVER compares Homosexuality to being black, or Homosexual Rights to the Civil Rights movement I will honestly blow my top.

They are valid comparisions. And when I look at any passages you'd most likely cite to tell me that homosexuality is wrong, I can't see anything but references to temple prostitution, pedophilia, and rape. I.E., not consensual homosexuality.

Yes, "scientists". Do go on.

Are you questioning the fact that J.J Thompson (who's atomic model was proved wrong) was a scientist. What I'm trying to say is that many things which were agreed upon by "scientific consensus have been disproved. But I suppose you have to go off something to support an argument.

Thompson's model was not wrong per se. Just not detailed enough. There's a difference.

Yes that is a strength of Science it actually accepts that it was wrong and moves on.
Sadly that is not a principal that was held by the Church back when people thought that the Earth was the center of the universe.

Again going back to the Church. Thats not what this is about. 1. Can people just stop persecuting Christians? 2. I know Jesus said it would be bad but geez. Thats not the topic of this discussion. 3. My point was that perhaps you can be an ex-homosexual, and Science hasn't yet discovered that it it is wrong on that issue. If I was a an ex homosexual I would be pretty pissed that I had gone through all that work and people are telling me "it doesn't exist" So what, someone can become a homosexual later in life but it can't go the other way.

1. Christians are not being persecuted, either in America, or on this forum.

2. Jesus never said anything against homosexuality.

3. No known ex-gay has remained an ex-gay. All have become ex-ex-gays.

[Vectrova]

You guys need to lay off Nidaria. his personal beliefs aren't the subject of this thread.

It does not matter. They have not had the chance to learn mercy. In any case, I am more than capable of defending myself and my personal beliefs.

And you have, spouting hatred of people you don't like because of things that don't affect you?

Please. Your high horse died awhile ago.

[Northern Dominus]

The APA already designated homosexuality as not a mental disorder. You are not the APA. You do not represent the APA. Do not mock the APA.

All hail the APA! They are infallible and possess all wisdom! Mistakes are unknown to them!

No, they do make mistakes. And they account for them and revise their policies and ethics when new empircal data and results shows a paradigm or ethical practice to be wrong.

Somehow I doubt the bigots and small-minded simpletons masquerading as "conversion therapists" are beholden to the same ethical standards.

[Nidaria]

You guys need to lay off Nidaria. his personal beliefs aren't the subject of this thread.

No, we don't. He's the one who burst in with his anti-gay hate, he's the one who puts up with the consequences. It's still on topic.

And ones similar to you are the ones who burst in with your anti-morality hate. You must face the consequences.

[Norstal]

All hail the APA! They are infallible and possess all wisdom! Mistakes are unknown to them!

No, they do make mistakes. And they account for them and revise their policies and ethics when new empircal data and results shows a paradigm or ethical practice to be wrong.

Somehow I doubt the bigots and small-minded simpletons masquerading as "conversion therapists" are beholden to the same ethical standards.

First they attacked physics and their explanation for the heliocentric model of Earth.

Then they attacked biology and evolution.

And now, the war is in psychology. The religious war against science never ends.

[Samuraikoku]

No, we don't. He's the one who burst in with his anti-gay hate, he's the one who puts up with the consequences. It's still on topic.

And ones similar to you are the ones who burst in with your anti-morality hate. You must face the consequences.

Big deal. Your morality is of no concern.

[Desperate Measures]

Why try to perfect something that is flawed from the start? Conversion therapy doesn't work and it never will.

Hmm how many times have we heard statements about things that "will never work".

2 times.

How do you want me to answer that? Look at Exodus. Look at this: http://jezebel.com/5331332/psychologist ... z12HEOpSSn

If I told you that you can't make a drivable Buick out of butter, would you respond with "Hmmm how many times have we heard statements about things that will never work?"

[Vectrova]

No, we don't. He's the one who burst in with his anti-gay hate, he's the one who puts up with the consequences. It's still on topic.

And ones similar to you are the ones who burst in with your anti-morality hate. You must face the consequences.

Nobody in this topic hates morality. Perhaps your toxic brand of it, little better than renamed hatred, but such tripe was never moral in the first place.

[Zaras]

No, we don't. He's the one who burst in with his anti-gay hate, he's the one who puts up with the consequences. It's still on topic.

And ones similar to you are the ones who burst in with your anti-morality hate. You must face the consequences.

Must be fun following Taliban morality, but I find it more fun to live in reality on Planet Earth.

[Grenartia]

No, we don't. He's the one who burst in with his anti-gay hate, he's the one who puts up with the consequences. It's still on topic.

And ones similar to you are the ones who burst in with your anti-morality hate. You must face the consequences.

You've yet to demonstrate how its immoral. As a Christian (not one of Bluth's Christians, mind you), my religious beliefs don't seem to have a problem with it.

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

No, we don't. He's the one who burst in with his anti-gay hate, he's the one who puts up with the consequences. It's still on topic.

And ones similar to you are the ones who burst in with your anti-morality hate. You must face the consequences.

Yes, preaching hatred against people because of who they love is moral, whilst pointing out what an insane position that is isn't.

*pause*

Stop it, QAAC! Logic does not matter to conservatives! They can't comprehend it! You won't get shit trying to beat them with it!

[Nidaria]

All hail the APA! They are infallible and possess all wisdom! Mistakes are unknown to them!

No, they do make mistakes. And they account for them and revise their policies and ethics when new empircal data and results shows a paradigm or ethical practice to be wrong.

Somehow I doubt the bigots and small-minded simpletons masquerading as "conversion therapists" are beholden to the same ethical standards.

They merely have not accepted the new empirical evidence yet. Yes, (not accounting for your ad-hominem attack) we do constantly do review our ideas and compare them to the evidence.

[Norstal]

No, we don't. He's the one who burst in with his anti-gay hate, he's the one who puts up with the consequences. It's still on topic.

And ones similar to you are the ones who burst in with your anti-morality hate. You must face the consequences.

You see, you're the one who hates morality. You are disregarding all academic works on this matter to forward your beliefs. That is unethical and thus, immoral.

[Zaras]

No, they do make mistakes. And they account for them and revise their policies and ethics when new empircal data and results shows a paradigm or ethical practice to be wrong.

Somehow I doubt the bigots and small-minded simpletons masquerading as "conversion therapists" are beholden to the same ethical standards.

They merely have not accepted the new empirical evidence yet. Yes, (not accounting for your ad-hominem attack) we do constantly do review our ideas and compare them to the evidence.

You constantly review your ideas and continue to apply them in the face of all known facts.

What was that definition of madness again, something about doing the same thing but expecting different results?

[Neutraligon]

No, they do make mistakes. And they account for them and revise their policies and ethics when new empircal data and results shows a paradigm or ethical practice to be wrong.

Somehow I doubt the bigots and small-minded simpletons masquerading as "conversion therapists" are beholden to the same ethical standards.

They merely have not accepted the new empirical evidence yet. Yes, (not accounting for your ad-hominem attack) we do constantly do review our ideas and compare them to the evidence.

Provide the empirical evidence that homosexuality is a mental disorder.

[Madredia]

The link posted actually refers to licensed practitioners losing their license to practice, so really I'm kind of indifferent to that. If they take away his or her license for attempting to change a homosexual, he can still be privately called in by the parents, or the teen could go for counseling with a pastor, from whom the government cannot remove any license because he has not one to speak of.

[Mavorpen]

No, they do make mistakes. And they account for them and revise their policies and ethics when new empircal data and results shows a paradigm or ethical practice to be wrong.

Somehow I doubt the bigots and small-minded simpletons masquerading as "conversion therapists" are beholden to the same ethical standards.

They merely have not accepted the new empirical evidence yet. Yes, (not accounting for your ad-hominem attack) we do constantly do review our ideas and compare them to the evidence.

Really? Please, present us with this scientific evidence.

[Norstal]

No, they do make mistakes. And they account for them and revise their policies and ethics when new empircal data and results shows a paradigm or ethical practice to be wrong.

Somehow I doubt the bigots and small-minded simpletons masquerading as "conversion therapists" are beholden to the same ethical standards.

They merely have not accepted the new empirical evidence yet. Yes, (not accounting for your ad-hominem attack) we do constantly do review our ideas and compare them to the evidence.

Shows those new empirical evidence. Publish a paper on it. You should realize that the APA made homosexuality a mental disorder previously.

[Vectrova]

No, they do make mistakes. And they account for them and revise their policies and ethics when new empircal data and results shows a paradigm or ethical practice to be wrong.

Somehow I doubt the bigots and small-minded simpletons masquerading as "conversion therapists" are beholden to the same ethical standards.

They merely have not accepted the new empirical evidence yet. Yes, (not accounting for your ad-hominem attack) we do constantly do review our ideas and compare them to the evidence.

What are you discussing with this 'new empirical evidence'? That conversion therapy is harmful, often to the point of suicide? No, that's quite intended and I doubt they'll ever stop without being outlawed.

The APA, by contrast, has accepted for at least thirty years now that homosexuality is not a mental illness of any sort.

[Zaras]

They merely have not accepted the new empirical evidence yet. Yes, (not accounting for your ad-hominem attack) we do constantly do review our ideas and compare them to the evidence.

Really? Please, present us with this scientific evidence.

There is none, because Nidaria hates science about as much as he hates being a human being with friends and a life.

[Madredia]

The link posted actually refers to licensed practitioners losing their license to practice, so really I'm kind of indifferent to that. If they take away his or her license for attempting to change a homosexual, he can still be privately called in by the parents, or the teen could go for counseling with a pastor, from whom the government cannot remove any license because he has not one to speak of.

This is my response to the article itself.