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Postby Divair » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:16 am

New Rogernomics wrote:
Divair wrote:Possibly, but if enough countries voluntarily joined the system, it wouldn't be insane to assume it is good enough to be a world government. Not to mention it would be built by the people, so it would be shaped depending on the globe's needs and desires.
Not necessarily, more like built by particular economists, banks and corporations; central authorities can be dogmatic and ignorant of criticism.

An issue all countries face, and an issue many of us believe should be dealt with. Might be a good idea to deal with it before moving on to a global government, but not a reason to never move on.

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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:17 am

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New Rogernomics wrote:Which is? Classical liberalism is more in line with providing individual rights than libertarianism which is confined to particular economic theories on free markets.

Think of the political compass. Authoritarian individuals or countries tend to restrict personal freedoms, whereas libertarian individuals or countries tend to leave people's lives alone.
Actually surprisingly not, plenty of confessed libertarians accept dictatorships on the principle that a freer market will lead eventually to a freer political system.
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Postby Gigaverse » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:18 am

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Exactly how does a work of fiction have any influence on this?

:palm:

Have you ever seen an actual world gov't? No? Then I'll just have to use fiction.

Also, Neo Arcadia of Mega Man Zero also made it in mah list.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:21 am

Divair wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:Not necessarily, more like built by particular economists, banks and corporations; central authorities can be dogmatic and ignorant of criticism.

An issue all countries face, and an issue many of us believe should be dealt with. Might be a good idea to deal with it before moving on to a global government, but not a reason to never move on.
I am skeptical, and I don't believe we are ready for world government; there is enough trouble with the 'European project'; till things are fixed on a small scale I wouldn't jump in the deep end.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:21 am

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Genivaria wrote:Exactly how does a work of fiction have any influence on this?

:palm:

Have you ever seen an actual world gov't? No? Then I'll just have to use fiction.

Also, Neo Arcadia of Mega Man Zero also made it in mah list.

The question is HOW is a fictional book evidence that World Government would be authoritarian?
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Postby Esternial » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:21 am

We'll need more space colonies first *nods*

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Postby Forster Keys » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:24 am

Esternial wrote:We'll need more space colonies first *nods*


Imperialism in space is good.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:24 am

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New Rogernomics wrote:Yes you can, the UN is based on the principle of nations under a single centralized body trying to work together and failing. This is contrary to World Federalist movements. :p

Wait, wait, wait...WHAT!? Since when has the UN had anywhere NEAR enough power to be considered Centralized?
Its not even a Confederacy, it has NO POWER. NONE. So no, you can't compare it to an actual world government.
I never did, as illustrated further on: "...the World Bank and IMF are good examples of what a world government would hold..."
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:24 am

Forster Keys wrote:
Esternial wrote:We'll need more space colonies first *nods*


Imperialism in space is good.

Its not Imperialism if the rock was uninhabited to begin with.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:27 am

Forster Keys wrote:
Esternial wrote:We'll need more space colonies first *nods*


Imperialism in space is good.
A double edged sword as far as world government goes, space colonies if held by particular nation-states would lead to a more divided world; whereas space colonies declaring independence would likely encourage more international co-operation i.e. the US would be strengthened by having space colonies and not have to rely on other nations as much vs international space projects which form colonies.
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Postby Esternial » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:31 am

New Rogernomics wrote:
Forster Keys wrote:
Imperialism in space is good.
A double edged sword as far as world government goes, space colonies if held by particular nation-states would lead to a more divided world; whereas space colonies declaring independence would likely encourage more international co-operation i.e. the US would be strengthened by having space colonies and not have to rely on other nations as much vs international space projects which form colonies.

All those theories are based on Gundam anime series and we all know it.

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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:34 am

Esternial wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:A double edged sword as far as world government goes, space colonies if held by particular nation-states would lead to a more divided world; whereas space colonies declaring independence would likely encourage more international co-operation i.e. the US would be strengthened by having space colonies and not have to rely on other nations as much vs international space projects which form colonies.

All those theories are based on Gundam anime series and we all know it.
Actually nope, I don't watch (and have never watched) Gundam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeward_B ... e_novel%29
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Postby Esternial » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:37 am

New Rogernomics wrote:
Esternial wrote:All those theories are based on Gundam anime series and we all know it.
Actually nope, I don't watch (and have never watched) Gundam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeward_B ... e_novel%29

Space fiction in general then *nods*

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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:42 am

Esternial wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:Actually nope, I don't watch (and have never watched) Gundam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeward_B ... e_novel%29

Space fiction in general then *nods*
Depends on the fiction, some such as Firefly go on the premise that Earth was never really united; while others like Star Trek and Babylon 5 go on the premise of global unity.
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Postby Esternial » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:46 am

New Rogernomics wrote:
Esternial wrote:Space fiction in general then *nods*
Depends on the fiction, some such as Firefly go on the premise that Earth was never really united; while others like Star Trek and Babylon 5 go on the premise of global unity.

>:(

Okey, some space fiction then *nods*

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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:50 am

Esternial wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:Depends on the fiction, some such as Firefly go on the premise that Earth was never really united; while others like Star Trek and Babylon 5 go on the premise of global unity.

>:(

Okey, some space fiction then *nods*
If I wanted to rile you up, I could go further into the Foundation saga by Asimov; which does have global unity, followed by space colonization, with the first set of colonists enslaving or subjugating the Earth. There are so many ones, it gets rather confusing. :meh:
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Postby Nidaria » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:50 am

It would not work unless a world-wide catastrophe took place.
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Postby Forster Keys » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:56 am

Genivaria wrote:
Forster Keys wrote:
Imperialism in space is good.

Its not Imperialism if the rock was uninhabited to begin with.
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And if it was?

And you were right the first time. It is night. :p
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Postby Forster Keys » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:56 am

New Rogernomics wrote:
Forster Keys wrote:
Imperialism in space is good.
A double edged sword as far as world government goes, space colonies if held by particular nation-states would lead to a more divided world; whereas space colonies declaring independence would likely encourage more international co-operation i.e. the US would be strengthened by having space colonies and not have to rely on other nations as much vs international space projects which form colonies.


I reckon it'll be just like Starlancer! Pewww Pewww!
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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:00 am

Forster Keys wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:A double edged sword as far as world government goes, space colonies if held by particular nation-states would lead to a more divided world; whereas space colonies declaring independence would likely encourage more international co-operation i.e. the US would be strengthened by having space colonies and not have to rely on other nations as much vs international space projects which form colonies.


I reckon it'll be just like Starlancer! Pewww Pewww!
If so, I am glad I won't live to see it. :p
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Postby Forster Keys » Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:05 am

New Rogernomics wrote:
Esternial wrote:All those theories are based on Gundam anime series and we all know it.
Actually nope, I don't watch (and have never watched) Gundam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeward_B ... e_novel%29


Poor Lizards, they didn't have a clue who they were fucking with.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:07 am

Forster Keys wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:Actually nope, I don't watch (and have never watched) Gundam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeward_B ... e_novel%29


Poor Lizards, they didn't have a clue who they were fucking with.
A good series, you should read it. I have the whole saga at home, I got rather addicted and couldn't be without it. *hugs collection* :hug:
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Postby Somali Caliphate » Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:12 am

If a world government like this came into existence, then I think Arabic should be made the lingua franca. It is the most superior language on Earth and has incredible comprehensiveness unmatched by any language. It can also easily absorb the culture and concepts of other peoples, so it wouldn't leave people out.
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Postby Divair » Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:20 am

Somali Caliphate wrote:If a world government like this came into existence, then I think Arabic should be made the lingua franca. It is the most superior language on Earth and has incredible comprehensiveness unmatched by any language. It can also easily absorb the culture and concepts of other peoples, so it wouldn't leave people out.

No.

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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:24 am

Divair wrote:
Somali Caliphate wrote:If a world government like this came into existence, then I think Arabic should be made the lingua franca. It is the most superior language on Earth and has incredible comprehensiveness unmatched by any language. It can also easily absorb the culture and concepts of other peoples, so it wouldn't leave people out.

No.
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