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Postby Conscentia » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:23 pm

Imperial Powers wrote:There simply could never be a "world government". People unite behind a national identity. Where is that identity in one single, engulfing government that controls the world? Plus, it is irrational to think that a group could somehow topple all the world's governments. Sure, perhaps certain unstable regimes could fall apart in South America, Asia, and Africa, but they would never be able to unite and stand as one against North American countries and European ones. While people may be unsatisfied in those countries, people in these first world countries stand to lose too much from a world government, not to mention their deep histories.


It's as if you still think the world's nations are independent of each other.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:31 pm

Make German the lingua franca of Planet Earth, and declare the Grundgesetz valid for the entire planet (Barring Antarctica and its secessionist Penguins).

Done.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:31 pm

Cultural and ideological differences are irrelevant in the end seeing as how a world federation wouldn't be making people from India and Japan live together, its quite a odd argument that assumes that we're going to try putting all the different cultures in a single city or something like that.
And if I recall the United States was not culturally homogeneous at all in its early years.

A loose federation for trade and mutual defense would not require a homogeneous society.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:32 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:Make German the lingua franca of Planet Earth, and declare the Grundgesetz valid for the entire planet (Barring Antarctica and its secessionist Penguins).

Done.

Even though English is already the Lingua Franca and already being taught to the next generation suddenly changing the language would just be counter-productive.
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Postby The Humanist Federation » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:33 pm

Queen has already made the prophecy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4UNoECibYk One cannot go against the will of the Mercury.
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Postby Ulvena » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:40 pm

How would a world government work?
Divide et Impera. Or something along those lines. Nations have their own Presidents but those Presidents in turn have one higher figure to listen to: the President/Dictator/King of the World. Just as in America, there are State law and Federal Law, it can work the same way. There are state law, federal/national law, and WORLD law.

Who would run it?
I guess we could have an international election where the people of the world all vote. Since we do have computers after all. Or the leaders of nations vote for someone. Or...just putting it out there. Why not give me the world's military assets and I can...um...start a peaceful revolution and unite the world under me.

Would they fix the worlds problems or cause it's destruction?
Depends on who's running it. If it were me for example...
But really, it does depend on who's the leader of the world government. If it's someone like Bush or even worse, someone like Nero, then the world will become worse than it is now. But if it's someone like Kennedy, then the world may prosper. If it's someone in the middle, slightly good, slightly bad, then the world will stay in status quo, maybe slightly better due to there being a unifying force that no single nation controls. Unlike the U.N.

How would the government keep control of there people?
The same way there are State troopers/police and Federal police/agents. Each nation has its own police force that has jurisdiction in their nation only. However, there are global police that can catch criminals if they run to the borders of their nation.

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Postby Blazedtown » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:49 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Imperial Powers wrote:There simply could never be a "world government". People unite behind a national identity. Where is that identity in one single, engulfing government that controls the world? Plus, it is irrational to think that a group could somehow topple all the world's governments. Sure, perhaps certain unstable regimes could fall apart in South America, Asia, and Africa, but they would never be able to unite and stand as one against North American countries and European ones. While people may be unsatisfied in those countries, people in these first world countries stand to lose too much from a world government, not to mention their deep histories.


It's as if you still think the world's nations are independent of each other.


Globalization is not inevitable. It is only a by product of peace. History shows that lasting peace between major powers is impossible. As the various BRIC powers attempt to rise, the world order will have a major shake up. Great nations built from the bones of the dead with mud and straw, blood and sweat.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:02 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:Make German the lingua franca of Planet Earth, and declare the Grundgesetz valid for the entire planet (Barring Antarctica and its secessionist Penguins).

Done.

Even though English is already the Lingua Franca and already being taught to the next generation suddenly changing the language would just be counter-productive.
Changing will be difficult in the first few years, but it ultimately replaces a pretty mediocre language with an awesome one. In the end, the change is both, necessary and fundamentally beneficial.

Note that English could still be taught. I mean, there's people learning Sumerian right now. There's nothing wrong with giving English a similar status - dead language, sure, but still a subject of interest for archaeologists.

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Postby 4years » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:03 pm

Globalization is not inevitable. It is only a by product of peace. History shows that lasting peace between major powers is impossible. As the various BRIC powers attempt to rise, the world order will have a major shake up. Great nations built from the bones of the dead with mud and straw, blood and sweat.[/quote]

Expect we have nuclear weapons now and someone would use in a major shake up of the status quo. So world goverment through union of major powers, nuclear war, new cold war, or world goverment through revolution of opperssed working class people in most/all nations. I like the last choice, but think nuclear war is the most likely.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:04 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Even though English is already the Lingua Franca and already being taught to the next generation suddenly changing the language would just be counter-productive.
Changing will be difficult in the first few years, but it ultimately replaces a pretty mediocre language with an awesome one. In the end, the change is both, necessary and fundamentally beneficial.

Note that English could still be taught. I mean, there's people learning Sumerian right now. There's nothing wrong with giving English a similar status - dead language, sure, but still a subject of interest for archaeologists.

Uh...huh. I take it your an Anglophobe.
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Postby Blazedtown » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:04 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Even though English is already the Lingua Franca and already being taught to the next generation suddenly changing the language would just be counter-productive.
Changing will be difficult in the first few years, but it ultimately replaces a pretty mediocre language with an awesome one. In the end, the change is both, necessary and fundamentally beneficial.

Note that English could still be taught. I mean, there's people learning Sumerian right now. There's nothing wrong with giving English a similar status - dead language, sure, but still a subject of interest for archaeologists.


English must remain the world language so that in the future we fight English speaking aliens.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:05 pm

Blazedtown wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:Changing will be difficult in the first few years, but it ultimately replaces a pretty mediocre language with an awesome one. In the end, the change is both, necessary and fundamentally beneficial.

Note that English could still be taught. I mean, there's people learning Sumerian right now. There's nothing wrong with giving English a similar status - dead language, sure, but still a subject of interest for archaeologists.


English must remain the world language so that in the future we fight English speaking aliens.

:bow: :lol2:
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:06 pm

Give it a few centuries and we'll see. I'd imagine it would work like some sort of federation, led by a council of one member for each continent, with a parliament with a member from each member nation.
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Postby Ulvena » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:08 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:Changing will be difficult in the first few years, but it ultimately replaces a pretty mediocre language with an awesome one. In the end, the change is both, necessary and fundamentally beneficial.

Note that English could still be taught. I mean, there's people learning Sumerian right now. There's nothing wrong with giving English a similar status - dead language, sure, but still a subject of interest for archaeologists.

Uh...huh. I take it your an Anglophobe.


English is an incredibly broken language and a very hard language to learn, especially from an Asian standpoint.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:10 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:Changing will be difficult in the first few years, but it ultimately replaces a pretty mediocre language with an awesome one. In the end, the change is both, necessary and fundamentally beneficial.

Note that English could still be taught. I mean, there's people learning Sumerian right now. There's nothing wrong with giving English a similar status - dead language, sure, but still a subject of interest for archaeologists.

Uh...huh. I take it your an Anglophobe.
Not at all. I love the english media, for example. I've english, american, australian and kiwi friends.

But English is, fundamentally, a pretty shit language, and I feel sorry for the people growing up with it as their first language. Talk about being handicapped.

German, on the other hand, is beautiful, efficient, brilliant. Also, it has ümläüts.

Mind you, I'm in no way suggesting that German is the only such language. French, while less efficient, is no less beautiful and brilliant, and its accents make for a decent ümläüt replacement. Then there's nahuatl (Or rather, the nahuatl dialect collection). (Inner) mongolian is pretty nifty, too. Setswana is pretty interesting, too. Japanese and Korean are pretty awesome.

But within the indo-european language complex, German and its most closely related sister languages - the scandinavian languages and dutch - are the peak of brilliance achievable within the indo-european context. Even ahead of the aforementioned French.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:10 pm


We can only hope thats how it ends up.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:11 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Uh...huh. I take it your an Anglophobe.
Not at all. I love the english media, for example. I've english, american, australian and kiwi friends.

But English is, fundamentally, a pretty shit language, and I feel sorry for the people growing up with it as their first language. Talk about being handicapped.

German, on the other hand, is beautiful, efficient, brilliant. Also, it has ümläüts.

Mind you, I'm in no way suggesting that German is the only such language. French, while less efficient, is no less beautiful and brilliant, and its accents make for a decent ümläüt replacement. Then there's nahuatl (Or rather, the nahuatl dialect collection). (Inner) mongolian is pretty nifty, too. Setswana is pretty interesting, too. Japanese and Korean are pretty awesome.

But within the indo-european language complex, German and its most closely related sister languages - the scandinavian languages and dutch - are the peak of brilliance achievable within the indo-european context.

I don't understand what you mean when you say its a 'shit language'.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:13 pm

Ulvena wrote:English is an incredibly broken language and a very hard language to learn


I left away the Asian part due to me not being Asian, but I don't see how it is broken or hard. :blink:

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Postby Nazis in Space » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:13 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:Not at all. I love the english media, for example. I've english, american, australian and kiwi friends.

But English is, fundamentally, a pretty shit language, and I feel sorry for the people growing up with it as their first language. Talk about being handicapped.

German, on the other hand, is beautiful, efficient, brilliant. Also, it has ümläüts.

Mind you, I'm in no way suggesting that German is the only such language. French, while less efficient, is no less beautiful and brilliant, and its accents make for a decent ümläüt replacement. Then there's nahuatl (Or rather, the nahuatl dialect collection). (Inner) mongolian is pretty nifty, too. Setswana is pretty interesting, too. Japanese and Korean are pretty awesome.

But within the indo-european language complex, German and its most closely related sister languages - the scandinavian languages and dutch - are the peak of brilliance achievable within the indo-european context.

I don't understand what you mean when you say its a 'shit language'.
That's precisely why English must be replaced and, ultimately, be driven to extinction.

Even its native speakers don't understand it.

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Postby Tunasai » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:17 pm

Rebellion on all sides. No world government could tame America, her government is smart, her military is the strongest, and her people are wild, not to be tamed by any foriegn ruler
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:17 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I don't understand what you mean when you say its a 'shit language'.
That's precisely why English must be replaced and, ultimately, be driven to extinction.

Even its native speakers don't understand it.

:eyebrow: Stop being so smug.
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Postby Sucrati » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:20 pm

We already have the United Nations, and we can see how much of a wreck that is. And those living in the Euro Zone can probably give you the best viewpoints on what it's like to live in a society as close as a 'one-world' government. Though, it's more or less regional or continental.

The major superpowers of the world would squabble about the setup of this government, for example:

What would the world-wide currency be?
Where would the world's capital be?
Would we retain our customs as individual groups, or would we have to put them to the wayside for the greater 'good'?
Who would represent us in this government?
How would the economy be handled?
What rights would be protected and could not be touched by legislative, judicial, or executive means?
How would the government be ran? (Meaning government system, such as a Federal, Monarchy, etc...)
How would local issues be handled?
How would the armed forces be organized and what weapons would be standard?
Would we have or not have weapons of mass destruction?

Among those issues, it would be a massive headache if we tried to form into a one-world government, too many different styles of governance and economics. While we may unite as a planet when it comes to threats that well... threaten our existence... but as individual nations, most of us are really different.
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Postby Tunasai » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:21 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I don't understand what you mean when you say its a 'shit language'.
That's precisely why English must be replaced and, ultimately, be driven to extinction.

Even its native speakers don't understand it.



German is a rather ugly language though highly cultured. German folk music is even depressing. English is a difficult language but yet beautifully intricate.
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