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Veblenia
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Postby Veblenia » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:08 am

The Wacha wrote:how would a world government work?

I imagine there would be a colossal global Parliament that would be either mostly ornamental or permanently gridlocked, probably both. Most of the actual decisions would be made by technocrats in the civil service. Lower tiers of government might be more effective, but hamstrung by the limits of their jurisdictions.

The Wacha wrote: Who would run it?

See above.

The Wacha wrote:Would they fix the worlds problems or cause it's destruction?

Most likely neither.

The Wacha wrote: How would the government keep control of there people?

Yoke them to mortgages and credit card debt? Truncheons and tasers for the hard cases.
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:04 pm

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:
Conscentia wrote:
You think international cooperation and coordination is a bad thing?

No, but a single global country with a single government is too much for such a diverse planet.


You never heard of federation, regional government, or autonomous regions?
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:07 pm

Quixoticonia wrote:There's too many differences between people groups for a one world government to exist, presently, for it to be anything peaceful.

For one to be created, either technology has to advance more or something globally catastrophic has to happen.


Catastrophes are more likely to cause nations to split.

The UN shows that a world nation could function as a federation of autonomous federations.

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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:12 pm

It could happen if we are involved in intergalactic politics; especially with significant weight. However: at most, it will be a bit tighter version of EU - anything else and we will have mass-revolts in practically every single city.
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Postby Imperium Immortalis » Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:23 pm

We are too different culturally from each other. Now lets say there is a WWIII and in the end one country is left standing, one people, one ideology. Then it works out. Coming together would take us centuries, just look at us. We still hate each other guts over religion, skin color, race, ethnic background, intelligence level, muscle mass, height, etc...
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Postby 4years » Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:41 pm

Imperium Immortalis wrote:We are too different culturally from each other. Now lets say there is a WWIII and in the end one country is left standing, one people, one ideology. Then it works out. Coming together would take us centuries, just look at us. We still hate each other guts over religion, skin color, race, ethnic background, intelligence level, muscle mass, height, etc...



Class and religion divide us more than anything else. Religion will be abolished be science. So revolt and kill the rich tyrants so the common people can unite to form a socialist world goverment which will evolve into world communism.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:57 pm

4years wrote:
Imperium Immortalis wrote:We are too different culturally from each other. Now lets say there is a WWIII and in the end one country is left standing, one people, one ideology. Then it works out. Coming together would take us centuries, just look at us. We still hate each other guts over religion, skin color, race, ethnic background, intelligence level, muscle mass, height, etc...



Class and religion divide us more than anything else. Religion will be abolished be science. So revolt and kill the rich tyrants so the common people can unite to form a socialist world goverment which will evolve into world communism.

Violent Revolution, how very dull.

Imperium Immortalis wrote:We are too different culturally from each other. Now lets say there is a WWIII and in the end one country is left standing, one people, one ideology. Then it works out. Coming together would take us centuries, just look at us. We still hate each other guts over religion, skin color, race, ethnic background, intelligence level, muscle mass, height, etc...

Thats not an issue. Our cultures don't NEED to be similar for them to be under the same government.
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Postby Blazedtown » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:18 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Quixoticonia wrote:There's too many differences between people groups for a one world government to exist, presently, for it to be anything peaceful.

For one to be created, either technology has to advance more or something globally catastrophic has to happen.


Catastrophes are more likely to cause nations to split.

The UN shows that a world nation could function as a federation of autonomous federations.


Yeah man, we'll have this big nonbinding association of separate like regions things defined by common cultures and languages. It'll be great, it such a an amazing change from what we have right now.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:08 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:No, but a single global country with a single government is too much for such a diverse planet.


You never heard of federation, regional government, or autonomous regions?

I know that but at present there are genuine seperationist movements such as Kosovo. Only last year, South Sudan seceded from Sudan.

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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:10 pm

4years wrote:
Imperium Immortalis wrote:We are too different culturally from each other. Now lets say there is a WWIII and in the end one country is left standing, one people, one ideology. Then it works out. Coming together would take us centuries, just look at us. We still hate each other guts over religion, skin color, race, ethnic background, intelligence level, muscle mass, height, etc...



Class and religion divide us more than anything else. Religion will be abolished be science. So revolt and kill the rich tyrants so the common people can unite to form a socialist world goverment which will evolve into world communism.

Go back to the 19th century, Marx.

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Postby Imperium Immortalis » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:44 pm

Forget Marx I say we do this the Roman way, Conquer! Conquer the WORLD! One world under the holy empire of Rome!
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:52 pm

Imperium Immortalis wrote:Forget Marx I say we do this the Roman way, Conquer! Conquer the WORLD! One world under the holy empire of Rome!

Rome was worse than Sodom.

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Postby Pendragonia » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:00 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Thats not an issue. Our cultures don't NEED to be similar for them to be under the same government.


But is really helps.
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Postby Ulvena » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:02 pm

4years wrote:
Imperium Immortalis wrote:We are too different culturally from each other. Now lets say there is a WWIII and in the end one country is left standing, one people, one ideology. Then it works out. Coming together would take us centuries, just look at us. We still hate each other guts over religion, skin color, race, ethnic background, intelligence level, muscle mass, height, etc...



Class and religion divide us more than anything else. Religion will be abolished be science. So revolt and kill the rich tyrants so the common people can unite to form a socialist world goverment which will evolve into world communism.


Hi Lenin! What's up? Killed any good Tsars lately?

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Postby Seleucas » Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:35 pm

If there is going to be a world government, I hope I will be buried by then.
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Postby Second Korean Empire » Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:41 pm

...The next President of Earth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s46jNfA9iMw

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:06 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Imperium Immortalis wrote:Forget Marx I say we do this the Roman way, Conquer! Conquer the WORLD! One world under the holy empire of Rome!

Rome was worse than Sodom.

Sodom never existed. That makes Rome better by default.
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Postby Maurepas » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:38 pm

The only way you'll see anything close to a "World Government" would be if we met a nation from another planet, and even then, I don't think it would be the same as the US Federal Government, it'd be more like the EU government or something along those lines.

I mean, without something for us to be united for, then we're not going to be united. For example, the United States only has a strong federal government because we owed debts due to the American Revolution, if no other nations were involved, then the Articles of Confederation would've never died, because the States would've had no reason to submit to a higher authority.

Similarly, unless there is some need for every nation on earth to act in unison, I don't see a World Government being a reality.

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:15 pm

Maurepas wrote:The only way you'll see anything close to a "World Government" would be if we met a nation from another planet, and even then, I don't think it would be the same as the US Federal Government, it'd be more like the EU government or something along those lines.

I mean, without something for us to be united for, then we're not going to be united. For example, the United States only has a strong federal government because we owed debts due to the American Revolution, if no other nations were involved, then the Articles of Confederation would've never died, because the States would've had no reason to submit to a higher authority.

Similarly, unless there is some need for every nation on earth to act in unison, I don't see a World Government being a reality.

So what your saying is I should fake an Alien Invasion? :p
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Postby Meridiani Planum » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:52 am

The Wacha wrote:how would a world government work? Who would run it?


Just read the novels We by Eugene Zamiatin or Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. All hail the World State! You have no alternative!
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:57 am

Genivaria wrote:
Maurepas wrote:The only way you'll see anything close to a "World Government" would be if we met a nation from another planet, and even then, I don't think it would be the same as the US Federal Government, it'd be more like the EU government or something along those lines.

I mean, without something for us to be united for, then we're not going to be united. For example, the United States only has a strong federal government because we owed debts due to the American Revolution, if no other nations were involved, then the Articles of Confederation would've never died, because the States would've had no reason to submit to a higher authority.

Similarly, unless there is some need for every nation on earth to act in unison, I don't see a World Government being a reality.

So what your saying is I should fake an Alien Invasion? :p

Ozymandias is that you?

As to the whole One World Government she-bang, I'm going with the whole unless some alien threat existed of some sort to unite us side of the issue. It would be the only threat that could keep us together in the long term, even then it wouldn't be a very federation as in the central government wouldn't be that strong. But until that happens I don't see it happening.
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Postby Quebec and Atlantic Canada » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:03 am

Meridiani Planum wrote:
The Wacha wrote:how would a world government work? Who would run it?


Just read the novels We by Eugene Zamiatin or Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. All hail the World State! You have no alternative!

Why does everyone assume that the World Government would be authoritarian in nature?

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:33 am

Quebec and Atlantic Canada wrote:
Meridiani Planum wrote:
Just read the novels We by Eugene Zamiatin or Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. All hail the World State! You have no alternative!

Why does everyone assume that the World Government would be authoritarian in nature?

Paranoia.
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Postby Vortiaganica » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:36 am

Only possible world government would be a conglomerate of megacorporations or some shit controlling the economy.

Of course, they would all be publicly owned, and therefore have their own shareholders to pander to.

So, we'd be no better off, really, as that's not even much of a government - more just an overarching neighbourhood bully to keep the third world in line, bribe the first world, and hire out the second world. A bully with serious multiple personality disorder.
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