World Government United Earth

[Blakk Metal]

Did he even mention the whole "post-scarcity society" thing. Because that sort of collapses a great deal of his argument.

The words 'post' and 'scarcity' aren't even in there. I checked with Ctrl+f.

That's irrelevant to freedom.

Sub 'Communism' and 'Marxism' for 'Stalinism', and ignore the first two sections.

But hey, no famine, war, greed, or discrimination. If you think the Federation is bad, you can always go live with these guys:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cardass ... Government

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_Collective

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Klingon ... Government

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Romulan ... Government

Who said I was comparing the Federation with its contemporaries?

The words 'post' and 'scarcity' aren't even in there. I checked with Ctrl+f.

Pfft. The whole thing's garbage then. I'm not that into Star Trek, but they seem to use post-scarcity machines quite a lot... That changes the whole of nature of the economy and society.

The writers were morons, so they had little effect on anything.

[Genivaria]

But hey, no famine, war, greed, or discrimination. If you think the Federation is bad, you can always go live with these guys:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cardass ... Government

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_Collective

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Klingon ... Government

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Romulan ... Government

I'd still rather live in the Imperium of Man from WH40K or the Empire from Star Wars.

The Empire from Star Wars I somewhat understand. But the Imperium? Really?

Ok lets say your a human living in the Imperium. What kind of Imperial world you live on?
Forge World? Where every man, woman, and child are worked to death in massive factories and mines? Where the air is saturated with toxic gases and rivers flow with toxic runoff from the multitude of manufactoria.

How about a Hive World? They're lawless, corrupt, dirty places, polluted to the gills and damn near uninhabitable once you get deep enough due to thousands of years of pollution, and you're constantly at risk of alien invasion, murder at the hand of a horrible gang, or the Imperium itself.

Either you'll get caught in an Imperial culling where they kill citizens to keep the population at manageable levels (yes they actually do this) and die, or or join the army or Space Marines and THEN die.

Why would the denizens of a dirty, polluted Hive World be chosen to join the Emperor's Finest and the Imperial Guard, both of whom are expected in incredibly dangerous situations that would on average make us shit our pants?
Because Hive Worlds are thought to be as dangerous as Feral Worlds.

Yes, the average Imperial citizen lives in an environment considered as dangerous as a jungle in the stone age, except the inhabitants have guns and worse.
I shouldn't even have to explain to you why living on a Death World would suck, the name alone should tell you all you need to know.

[Blazedtown]

I'd still rather live in the Imperium of Man from WH40K or the Empire from Star Wars.

The Empire from Star Wars I somewhat understand. But the Imperium? Really?

Ok lets say your a human living in the Imperium. What kind of Imperial world you live on?
Forge World? Where every man, woman, and child are worked to death in massive factories and mines? Where the air is saturated with toxic gases and rivers flow with toxic runoff from the multitude of manufactoria.

How about a Hive World? They're lawless, corrupt, dirty places, polluted to the gills and damn near uninhabitable once you get deep enough due to thousands of years of pollution, and you're constantly at risk of alien invasion, murder at the hand of a horrible gang, or the Imperium itself.

Either you'll get caught in an Imperial culling where they kill citizens to keep the population at manageable levels (yes they actually do this) and die, or or join the army or Space Marines and THEN die.

Why would the denizens of a dirty, polluted Hive World be chosen to join the Emperor's Finest and the Imperial Guard, both of whom are expected in incredibly dangerous situations that would on average make us shit our pants?
Because Hive Worlds are thought to be as dangerous as Feral Worlds.

Yes, the average Imperial citizen lives in an environment considered as dangerous as a jungle in the stone age, except the inhabitants have guns and worse.
I shouldn't even have to explain to you why living on a Death World would suck, the name alone should tell you all you need to know.

Because the Imperium runs on pure awesomesauce. Insane grimdark awesomesauce, but awesomesauce nonetheless.

[Pendragonia]

No I won't sub those. Stalinism is a very specific version of what some people call Communism.
When you say that The Federation is Stalinist your implying that it is a tyrannical dictatorship with no freedoms to speak of.
Also the guy who wrote that article is an idiot, there is a great deal of assumption on his/her part.

http://www.cracked.com/video_18398_why- ... fying.html

This a much better reason why the Federation sucks.

Both are accurate assessments, and I'm a fan of the series.

[Vetalia]

Because the Imperium runs on pure awesomesauce. Insane grimdark awesomesauce, but awesomesauce nonetheless.

Screw that, I'd rather live under the Imperium ruled by the Padishah Emperor. Preferably on Ix or Richese.

[The Humanist Federation]

http://www.cracked.com/video_18398_why- ... fying.html

This a much better reason why the Federation sucks.

Both are accurate assessments, and I'm a fan of the series.

Nope. Federation 4 lyfe.

[The Electronic Future]

Here's a system which claims to be able to democratically organize the entire world under one government of six levels. Although, it also claims that our current economic system would have to be radically different so...

[The Emerald Legion]

I'd still rather live in the Imperium of Man from WH40K or the Empire from Star Wars.

The Empire from Star Wars I somewhat understand. But the Imperium? Really?

Ok lets say your a human living in the Imperium. What kind of Imperial world you live on?
Forge World? Where every man, woman, and child are worked to death in massive factories and mines? Where the air is saturated with toxic gases and rivers flow with toxic runoff from the multitude of manufactoria.

How about a Hive World? They're lawless, corrupt, dirty places, polluted to the gills and damn near uninhabitable once you get deep enough due to thousands of years of pollution, and you're constantly at risk of alien invasion, murder at the hand of a horrible gang, or the Imperium itself.

Either you'll get caught in an Imperial culling where they kill citizens to keep the population at manageable levels (yes they actually do this) and die, or or join the army or Space Marines and THEN die.

Why would the denizens of a dirty, polluted Hive World be chosen to join the Emperor's Finest and the Imperial Guard, both of whom are expected in incredibly dangerous situations that would on average make us shit our pants?
Because Hive Worlds are thought to be as dangerous as Feral Worlds.

Yes, the average Imperial citizen lives in an environment considered as dangerous as a jungle in the stone age, except the inhabitants have guns and worse.
I shouldn't even have to explain to you why living on a Death World would suck, the name alone should tell you all you need to know.

>Move to a forge world.

>Go to Techpriest Seminary.

>Praise the Omnissiah.

>??? Too many variables

>Die horribly. In a Grimdark awesomesauce way.

[Nazi States of Europe]

Sub 'Communism' and 'Marxism' for 'Stalinism', and ignore the first two sections.

But hey, no famine, war, greed, or discrimination. If you think the Federation is bad, you can always go live with these guys:

No war? Ever heard of The Dominion? How about the war with the Romulans? Or the fights with Klingons (the Organians forced them to stop once but they restarted later)?

No discrimination? How about Lt. Stiles and he's resentment of Romulans? To the point that he reflects it onto Spock he comrade. Theres also a mixed Human-Romulan (TNG: The Drumhead) who is discriminated against (there are more examples but I don't tend to remember them all).

Theres no famine due to technology.

[Divitaen]

Ideally, it will destroy the Chinese.

This is curious. What do you have against Chinese, if you don't mind me asking?

[Conscentia]

It's as if you still think the world's nations are independent of each other.

Globalization is not inevitable. It is only a by product of peace. History shows that lasting peace between major powers is impossible. As the various BRIC powers attempt to rise, the world order will have a major shake up. Great nations built from the bones of the dead with mud and straw, blood and sweat.

That's a terrible misinterpretation of the world & it's history.

[Conscentia]

Okay, I read up on oligarchies and they tend to be aristocratic, so I see the problem, so I support a meritocratic oligarchy instead.

Can't you just say you support meritocracy? Why does it have to be oligarchy?

[Segland]

United Earth? That sounds like a political front that will try to establish world government.

[Ethel mermania]

Not gonna happen. Too many cultural and ideological differences.

One can only hope your right.

[Yankee Empire]

Like others said; It simply wouldn't. It sounds like an idea, but it would not work simply because there are too many cultures and there are too many ideological differences between one another.

Every empire was once an alottment of tribes... all of whome thought they would never surrender... yeah pride and want is differant from reality.

I once heard a saying that it would be brought about by either force or consent, if and when it ever does happen I imagine it would be a combination of both, but simply because their would inevitably be opposition to it doesn't mean it'd be impossible. Im not sure when or how such a thing would ever happen but unlike a large seeming majority of people i don't see it as necessarily being a bad thing.

[Conscentia]

Not gonna happen. Too many cultural and ideological differences.

One can only hope your right.

You think international cooperation and coordination is a bad thing?

[Dracone]

Like others said; It simply wouldn't. It sounds like an idea, but it would not work simply because there are too many cultures and there are too many ideological differences between one another.

Every empire was once an alottment of tribes... all of whome thought they would never surrender... yeah pride and want is differant from reality.

I once heard a saying that it would be brought about by either force or consent, if and when it ever does happen I imagine it would be a combination of both, but simply because their would inevitably be opposition to it doesn't mean it'd be impossible. Im not sure when or how such a thing would ever happen but unlike a large seeming majority of people i don't see it as necessarily being a bad thing.

The problem is that ome of us are too far off politically to have a place in any goverment. Currently, we have the option of finding some uninhabited spec of land and declaring our own, where as in a goverment controlling the entire world, unless we had the technology to go to a different world, then we would be forced into a system we dont like...

[Yankee Empire]

Anarchist claim to be in that position all the time ( I always hear them complaining about it).

Of course it would be much easier to accomplishe if people had the ability to live on other worlds.

But perhaps the last step in our history on earth before we create more settlements out amongst the stars is an establishment of world government, idk.

Or maybe it'd be the other way around, or perhaps not at all.

[Dracone]

Anarchist claim to be in that position all the time ( I always hear them complaining about it).

Of course it would be much easier to accomplishe if people had the ability to live on other worlds.

But perhaps the last step in our history on earth before we create more settlements out amongst the stars is an establishment of world government, idk.

Or maybe it'd be the other way around, or perhaps not at all.

well yes anarchists, but others too. Im not an anarchist, but i would prefer anarchy to any goverment currently in existence. (I have my own views on goverment and there are several hypothetical goverments I could live in quite happily. But not one on earth that I beleive is truly free.)

And its more likely the second way, the way where going out to the stars would force a world goverment. But a world goverment isnt the last step before going out to the stars... the problem is lack of a technology that can propel a ship with nothing but electricity. Once we have that we could always build a ship (however large) and put an artificial enviroment on it and a nucleur powerplant to supply the eletricity. the goverment has nothing to do with it.

Id be perfectly fine with a world goverment, so long as I have the right and reasonable ability to flee to the stars.

[Socialist States Owen]

It'll happen when ALIENS ATTACK!

[Conscentia]

It'll happen when ALIENS ATTACK!

Indeed...but we will be the aliens.

[Zottistan]

I will try to keep religious discussion to a minimum in this thread, but my faith teaches that there will be a one world government ran by the Antichrist. I think at first it would be effecient, then leads to destruction.

Score! I've always wanted to rule the world.

[Blakk Metal]

Theres no famine due to technology.

There would be no famine today if it weren't for stupid governments.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

One can only hope your right.

You think international cooperation and coordination is a bad thing?

No, but a single global country with a single government is too much for such a diverse planet.

[Quixoticonia]

There's too many differences between people groups for a one world government to exist, presently, for it to be anything peaceful.

For one to be created, either technology has to advance more or something globally catastrophic has to happen.