World Government United Earth

[The Nuclear Fist]

You really bought that 'Freedom' rubbish?

As a person who has lived in both dictatorial and democratic systems, I can honestly say with far more clarity than you that democracy is immeasurably superior.

[Omniscience]

And I trust somebody who can't be corrupted or take brides because they already have everything,

Then your trust is foolish. The monarch and the dictator do not need to be corrupted, the nation is already their plaything. Not that they can't be corrupted by outside forces. For every Augustus Caesar you get ten Caligulas, for every Tito you get ten Ceausescus.

Your political understanding seems to be rooted in the Kingdom of France.

I trust somebody who has been taught to rule from an early age

This is repeatedly brought up. Taught how?

It amuses me how you don't know.

and I trust in somebody who has the potential to see their people as their responsibility

Democratic leaders do exactly this. Autocrats spent too much of their time worrying about how best to repress the populace to prevent a popular revolt, or taking bribes from foreign business interests.[/quote]

Do you live in the Russian Empire?

rather than seeing prolonging their term in office and how much they're going to benefit when they get kicked out as their biggest concern.

I'd rather have a vested interest in their job, personally. A leader needs to maintain the favour of the people to be truly good, for a system to truly last. Autocracy means they are in power forever, for better or worse.[/quote]

I would ask you to go away and actually read up about Monarchs currently on Earth, especially those in Europe as it seems you read up to George the Third and stopped caring.

[Omniscience]

You really bought that 'Freedom' rubbish?

As a person who has lived in both dictatorial and democratic systems, I can honestly say with far more clarity than you that democracy is immeasurably superior.

As a person who has lived in a democracy all his life I would be inclined to agree with you.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Your political understanding seems to be rooted in the Kingdom of France.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said?

It amuses me how you don't know.

So, in other words, you have no fucking idea and don't want to admit it? Thought so.

Do you live in the Russian Empire?

I'm not that old. However, people should not have to die to rid themselves of a terrible leader.

I would ask you to go away and actually read up about Monarchs currently on Earth, especially those in Europe as it seems you read up to George the Third and stopped caring.

I would ask you to stop being smug and learn some fucking history, as the monarchs of Europe have no actual power. The fact that you didn't know this is a testament to your fundamental ignorance of your own arguments.

[Vetalia]

Then your trust is foolish. The monarch and the dictator do not need to be corrupted, the nation is already their plaything. Not that they can't be corrupted by outside forces. For every Augustus Caesar you get ten Caligulas, for every Tito you get ten Ceausescus.

Caligula's the scary one...he started off as a likable, brilliant leader, reformer, and a total change from the despotic practices of Tiberius' later years and *then* turned into a monster. That's a whole lot worse than someone who's corrupt from the start.

[The Nuclear Fist]

As a person who has lived in a democracy all his life I would be inclined to agree with you.

Then I'm glad that we both agree that you were wrong.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Caligula's the scary one...he started off as a likable, brilliant leader, reformer, and a total change from the despotic practices of Tiberius' later years and *then* turned into a monster. That's a whole lot worse than someone who's corrupt from the start.

Ceausescu is the same way. He started out a maverick with good relations with the West, a reformer, and a liberal, and ended up. . . well, we all know how he ended up. It wasn't pretty.

[Nordengrund]

What would be the halfway point between democracy and authoritarianism?

[Forster Keys]

Yeah sure. Then we take on the stars as is our birthright.

[Genivaria]

What would be the halfway point between democracy and authoritarianism?

Starship Troopers?

[The Nuclear Fist]

What would be the halfway point between democracy and authoritarianism?

An authoritarian democracy?

[Omniscience]

Your political understanding seems to be rooted in the Kingdom of France.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said?

Nothing. Just the same as "Ha ha ha, no" had nothing to do with my innocent and personal opinion.

It amuses me how you don't know.

So, in other words, you have no fucking idea and don't want to admit it? Thought so.[/quote]

No I do know I'm just not going to give you the satisfaction. It just goes to show that you haven't got your facts straight.

Do you live in the Russian Empire?

I'm not that old. However, people should not have to die to rid themselves of a terrible leader.[/quote]

No, they shouldn't murder children to replace it with a even worse dictatorship, either.

I would ask you to go away and actually read up about Monarchs currently on Earth, especially those in Europe as it seems you read up to George the Third and stopped caring.

I would ask you to stop being smug and learn some fucking history, as the monarchs of Europe have no actual power. The fact that you didn't know this is a testament to your fundamental ignorance of your own arguments.[/quote]

It wouldn't be history, It'd be current affairs. If you claim they have no power, how can they be autocrats? As you claim? The ignorance lies with you, the person who decided to laugh at my humble opinion and tell me why it was wrong.

[Nordengrund]

What would be the halfway point between democracy and authoritarianism?

An authoritarian democracy?

I was thinking of communism or a constitutional monarchy.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I was thinking of communism or a constitutional monarchy.

One is communal and anarchic and the other is a parliamentary democracy. Neither is authoritarian.

[Omniscience]

As a person who has lived in a democracy all his life I would be inclined to agree with you.

Then I'm glad that we both agree that you were wrong.

No, I've lived in a democracy all my life. It's called the United Kingdom. A Constitutional Monarchy.

[Forster Keys]

An authoritarian democracy?

I was thinking of communism or a constitutional monarchy.

Sweden the UK and Spain are pretty democratic

[Nordengrund]

I was thinking of communism or a constitutional monarchy.

One is communal and anarchic and the other is a parliamentary democracy. Neither is authoritarian.

I'm guessing a mildly authoritarian libertarianism?

[Omniscience]

Then I'm glad that we both agree that you were wrong.

No, I've lived in a democracy all my life. It's called the United Kingdom. A Constitutional Monarchy.

Nobody is right or wrong and proclaiming your victory just goes to show whose the ignorant one.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Nothing. Just the same as "Ha ha ha, no" had nothing to do with my innocent and personal opinion.

So, you're admitting to just spouting bullshit now?

No I do know I'm just not going to give you the satisfaction. It just goes to show that you haven't got your facts straight.

"Oh no, I've got the answer, but you couldn't handle it."

Yeah, I'm really going to believe that.

No, they shouldn't murder children to replace it with a even worse dictatorship, either.

Which has absolutely fuck all to do with what I said.

It wouldn't be history, It'd be current affairs.

Which is a part of history.

If you claim they have no power, how can they be autocrats? As you claim?

I'm not arguing against constitutional monarchy in which the monarch's power has been neutered. I'm arguing against absolute monarch.

How the fuck did you not realize this?

The ignorance lies with you, the person who decided to laugh at my humble opinion and tell me why it was wrong.

I laughed at your opinion because it was both ignorant and wrong.

[The Nuclear Fist]

No, I've lived in a democracy all my life. It's called the United Kingdom. A Constitutional Monarchy.

So it's a parliamentary democracy in which the monarch has no power?

Then I'm still right.

[Nordengrund]

I have narrowed down a good utopia to a constitutional oligarchic republic. Should it be communist, capitalist, or a mix?

[Blakk Metal]

Elaborate.

The fact that you are comparing the United Federation of Planets to Stalinism is so absurd it amuses me.

Sub 'Communism' and 'Marxism' for 'Stalinism', and ignore the first two sections.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Nobody is right or wrong and proclaiming your victory just goes to show whose the ignorant one.

No, you're absolutely wrong. There's nothing wrong with me admitting that. I don't have to respect your opinions, and frankly, I don't. I just have to be nice and avoid attacking you personally.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I have narrowed down a good utopia to a constitutional oligarchic republic. Should it be communist, capitalist, or a mix?

Communism means there is no hierarchic state, it cannot be oligarchic or a republic, or constitutional for that matter.

And an oligarchy is awful.

[Nordengrund]

I have narrowed down a good utopia to a constitutional oligarchic republic. Should it be communist, capitalist, or a mix?

Communism means there is no hierarchic state, it cannot be oligarchic or a republic, or constitutional for that matter.

And an oligarchy is awful.

My suggestion for an oligarchy is that every individual is human and has their flaws. A person might be good at one thing but not so good at something else, so I figured there should be an oligarchy so we can have a minority who have their own merits instead of placing our power on one person. No one is good at everything.