World Government United Earth

[Omniscience]

Ha ha ha, yes.

There is no way a monarchy would work

And there's no way a republic would work.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I didn't say the monarchy had to be German. I was merely saying that I'd be happy if the system was based on a federal system LIKE that of the German Empire. It achieved nothing in its brief existence except for uniting the the majority of the German speaking Kingdoms and making them a world power.

And also backed itself into a corner and collapsed.

If anything I would want the monarchy to be Scandinavian. I didn't want an argument I was merely stating my opinion.

No monarchy, wouldn't work. Would need to be representative, parliamentary democracy.

[The Nuclear Fist]

And there's no way a republic would work.

Bullshit. A democratic, parliamentary republic means free and fair elections with the world's collective interests being taken to heart. A monarchy means a particular man from a particular group rules over the entirety over the human race. No one man should have that kind of power.

[Genivaria]

There is no way a monarchy would work

And there's no way a republic would work.

You might want to take a look at the modern world then.

[Omniscience]

I didn't say the monarchy had to be German. I was merely saying that I'd be happy if the system was based on a federal system LIKE that of the German Empire. It achieved nothing in its brief existence except for uniting the the majority of the German speaking Kingdoms and making them a world power.

And also backed itself into a corner and collapsed.

If anything I would want the monarchy to be Scandinavian. I didn't want an argument I was merely stating my opinion.

No monarchy, wouldn't work. Would need to be representative, parliamentary democracy.

The Roman Empire collapsed, it achieved alot, just because something collapsed or died doesn't mean it achieved nothing.

Yes, ok, sure, whatever you say

[Omniscience]

And there's no way a republic would work.

You might want to take a look at the modern world then.

We will see

[Genivaria]

You might want to take a look at the modern world then.

We will see

Well, I see. You seem to have your eyes blindfolded if you actually think Republics don't work.

[The Nuclear Fist]

The Roman Empire collapsed, it achieved alot, just because something collapsed or died doesn't mean it achieved nothing.

The Roman Empire was a nation that expanded on philosophy, military ideas, technology, architecture, governmental rule, etc. The German Empire furthered nothing. It achieved nothing.

Yes, ok, sure, whatever you say

A democratic republic means everyone is fairly represented and taken all aspects are collectively considered. Collective rule is, in almost all cases, superior to autocracy.

[Omniscience]

And there's no way a republic would work.

You might want to take a look at the modern world then.

If you wish to trust those that have come from nothing to be able to have everything then be my guest.

[The Nuclear Fist]

If you wish to trust those that have come from nothing to be able to have everything then be my guest.

I trust a person who was born in poverty to take the needs and concerns of the poor and unfortunate to heart over someone who was born with all they could ever hope for.

[Omniscience]

The Roman Empire collapsed, it achieved alot, just because something collapsed or died doesn't mean it achieved nothing.

The Roman Empire was a nation that expanded on philosophy, military ideas, technology, architecture, governmental rule, etc. The German Empire furthered nothing. It achieved nothing.

Yes, ok, sure, whatever you say

A democratic republic means everyone is fairly represented and taken all aspects are collectively considered. Collective rule is, in almost all cases, superior to autocracy.

Everyone? Fairly represented, I think you're talking about Anarchy, good sir. The only way everybody can be truly represented is if they can do so themselves without government chains. Government, no matter how fair the system claims to be, is still one or a few people with more power than everybody else. Class will always exist, whether official or non official. Republic is just another fancy (Or rather, dull) name for 'Elective Monarchy'. And if you're going to complicate things with dull names you might as well make it easy and tell the truth (Something which the elected seem to have trouble with).

[Genivaria]

The Roman Empire was a nation that expanded on philosophy, military ideas, technology, architecture, governmental rule, etc. The German Empire furthered nothing. It achieved nothing.


A democratic republic means everyone is fairly represented and taken all aspects are collectively considered. Collective rule is, in almost all cases, superior to autocracy.

Everyone? Fairly represented, I think you're talking about Anarchy, good sir. The only way everybody can be truly represented is if they can do so themselves without government chains. Government, no matter how fair the system claims to be, is still one or a few people with more power than everybody else. Class will always exist, whether official or non official. Republic is just another fancy (Or rather, dull) name for 'Elective Monarchy'. And if you're going to complicate things with dull names you might as well make it easy and tell the truth (Something which the elected seem to have trouble with).

No thats only the truth in your own mind.

[Holy Trek]

how would a world government work? Who would run it? Would they fix the worlds problems or cause it's destruction? How would the government keep control of there people?

In my view the goverment would create a large police force. The ruler would be a absolute monarchy who rules with a iron fist. Oppressing anyone who steps out of line. He would fix the world problems like oil by increasing the rate at what we pump. Well he works on alternative fuels. He then would use all the worlds resources to make scientific discovery and try and end poverty.

Go on discuss

mass revolts in practically all cities, sympathies and corruption in the police..........

This won't end well.

Babylon 5 uses the example of the Earth Alliance as a form of world government. Initially comprised of the democratic nations (Australia, UK, Canada, Japan, US, India, and Brazil), it eventually prevails in a brief conflict with those nations opposed to it. Ironically, its the Russians and Chinese who are most opposed to the EA, along with Indonesia, Israel, and Mexico. Iran and Syria actually support the EA).

As others have also hypothesized, its very likely that someone will come to power in the EA that would be corrupt, power-hungry, incompetent, or a combination of all three (on Babylon 5, it was an American, William Morgan Clark, who became the Hitler of the EA)

[Omniscience]

If you wish to trust those that have come from nothing to be able to have everything then be my guest.

I trust a person who was born in poverty to take the needs and concerns of the poor and unfortunate to heart over someone who was born with all they could ever hope for.

And I trust somebody who can't be corrupted or take brides because they already have everything, I trust somebody who has been taught to rule from an early age and I trust in somebody who has the potential to see their people as their responsibility rather than seeing prolonging their term in office and how much they're going to benefit when they get kicked out as their biggest concern.

[Genivaria]

I trust a person who was born in poverty to take the needs and concerns of the poor and unfortunate to heart over someone who was born with all they could ever hope for.

And I trust somebody who can't be corrupted or take brides because they already have everything, I trust somebody who has been taught to rule from an early age and I trust in somebody who has the potential to see their people as their responsibility rather than seeing prolonging their term in office and how much they're going to benefit when they get kicked out as their biggest concern.

Hah! What a naive view of monarchy, you've really bought into that 'benevolent dictator' crap?
How much war and bloodshed have been caused by the pride of kings and emperors?

[Omniscience]

Everyone? Fairly represented, I think you're talking about Anarchy, good sir. The only way everybody can be truly represented is if they can do so themselves without government chains. Government, no matter how fair the system claims to be, is still one or a few people with more power than everybody else. Class will always exist, whether official or non official. Republic is just another fancy (Or rather, dull) name for 'Elective Monarchy'. And if you're going to complicate things with dull names you might as well make it easy and tell the truth (Something which the elected seem to have trouble with).

No thats only the truth in your own mind.

I'm sorry, I'm afraid I don't speak bovine

[Omniscience]

And I trust somebody who can't be corrupted or take brides because they already have everything, I trust somebody who has been taught to rule from an early age and I trust in somebody who has the potential to see their people as their responsibility rather than seeing prolonging their term in office and how much they're going to benefit when they get kicked out as their biggest concern.

Hah! What a naive view of monarchy, you've really bought into that 'benevolent dictator' crap?

You really bought that 'Freedom' rubbish?

[The Nuclear Fist]

Everyone? Fairly represented, I think you're talking about Anarchy, good sir.

I'm not.

The only way everybody can be truly represented is if they can do so themselves without government chains.

Bullshit. A fair election means you're being fairly represented. There are no chains in a democratic system.

Government, no matter how fair the system claims to be, is still one or a few people with more power than everybody else.

Which is why a constitution and ballot box exist. To keep the will of the people in the leaders' minds and to keep checks and balances on their power.

Class will always exist, whether official or non official.

Source?

Republic is just another fancy (Or rather, dull) name for 'Elective Monarchy'.

A republic is, by definition, not a monarchy. And unlike a monarchy, which is dictatorial and autocratic, a democratic republic is, well, democratic and republican.

And if you're going to complicate things with dull names you might as well make it easy and tell the truth (Something which the elected seem to have trouble with).

If you want to tell the truth, drop this monarchical bullshit. Autocracy is demonstrably a failed system. If you support dictatorship, by all means, go and find one to live in. But don't sit around basking in the achievements the democratic system and condemn it.

[Blazedtown]

The movie was pure trash that has nothing to do with book. Only thing it had in common with the book was the title and names of a few characters.



The Imperium of Man is better than the Federation by a long shot. They understand the coexistence with other intelligent species is impossible. Suffer not the Xenos to live.

The Imperium of Man vs The Federation of Planets.
A shrinking, stagnating, Vestigial Empire Vs a Growing, ever-advancing, Federation.
I know who will win, do you?
And if the Federation starts to lose, we'll just let the Romulans and Klingons know what the Imperium does to non-humans. Hehehe.

A shrinking stagnant vestigial empire that has practically unlimited manpower, technology that they might not understand but is still far superior to the Federation's, and genetically modified super soldiers that have centuries of combat experience. The Federation has what, half of a quadrant of the Galaxy, uses incredibly slow FTL, and weapons that do less damage than modern nuclear weapons at hilariously short ranges. The Romulans and Klingons would be virus bombed into oblivion without breaking a sweat and the citizens of the Federation would become loyal subjects of the God Emperor. The Emperor Protects.

[Genivaria]

Hah! What a naive view of monarchy, you've really bought into that 'benevolent dictator' crap?

You really bought that 'Freedom' rubbish?

I don't have to 'buy into' anything. I've seen the fruits of Democracy myself.
Especially compared to the waste and excess of monarchy.

[Vetalia]

The Roman Empire was a nation that expanded on philosophy, military ideas, technology, architecture, governmental rule, etc. The German Empire furthered nothing. It achieved nothing.

That's not true, the German Empire was a major pioneer in technological development, industrial practices and operations management. There's a reason why they became the preeminent industrial power alongside the United States during the late 19th century, eclipsing the British in the process...

[Omniscience]

Everyone? Fairly represented, I think you're talking about Anarchy, good sir.

I'm not.

The only way everybody can be truly represented is if they can do so themselves without government chains.

Bullshit. A fair election means you're being fairly represented. There are no chains in a democratic system.

Government, no matter how fair the system claims to be, is still one or a few people with more power than everybody else.

Which is why a constitution and ballot box exist. To keep the will of the people in the leaders' minds and to keep checks and balances on their power.

Class will always exist, whether official or non official.

Source?

Republic is just another fancy (Or rather, dull) name for 'Elective Monarchy'.

A republic is, by definition, not a monarchy. And unlike a monarchy, which is dictatorial and autocratic, a democratic republic is, well, democratic and republican.

And if you're going to complicate things with dull names you might as well make it easy and tell the truth (Something which the elected seem to have trouble with).

If you want to tell the truth, drop this monarchical bullshit. Autocracy is demonstrably a failed system. If you support dictatorship, by all means, go and find one to live in. But don't sit around basking in the achievements the democratic system and condemn it.

I haven't condemned my democratic system? I love the Constitutional Monarchy that I live in. I'm not even going to argue with you, you started this by insulting my opinion.

[Omniscience]

The Roman Empire was a nation that expanded on philosophy, military ideas, technology, architecture, governmental rule, etc. The German Empire furthered nothing. It achieved nothing.

That's not true, the German Empire was a major pioneer in technological development, industrial practices and operations management. There's a reason why they became the preeminent industrial power alongside the United States during the late 19th century, eclipsing the British in the process...

Thank. You.

[Dracone]

Yea... I'm exactly the same face to face bro.

Sure you are.

If I was forced into a goverment, and had no option of finding my own area to live in outside the goverment, I would rather die on my feet then live a slave.

You're already forced into a government. The only difference would be the distance between you and the capital.

Btw, I'm currently treying to find somewhere I can live without interaction with any goverment at all so...

Rural Somalia.

thats why a global goverment would cause me to need to avenge myself.

Avenge yourself for what? Being led by people slightly farther away?

Because atleast now I can (and am trying to) find an unclaimed bit of land and live in peace.

Somalia, likely other lawless failed states, and a few islands in the pacific. Have fun living a life of destitution and strife.

Avenge myself of no longer being able to have freedom. No country on earth has what I consider freedom. Although thats a good point. I suppose it doesnt have to technically be controlle by no goverment, so long as it is in truth...

[The Nuclear Fist]

And I trust somebody who can't be corrupted or take brides because they already have everything,

Then your trust is foolish. The monarch and the dictator do not need to be corrupted, the nation is already their plaything. Not that they can't be corrupted by outside forces. For every Augustus Caesar you get ten Caligulas, for every Tito you get ten Ceausescus.

I trust somebody who has been taught to rule from an early age

This is repeatedly brought up. Taught how?

and I trust in somebody who has the potential to see their people as their responsibility

Democratic leaders do exactly this. Autocrats spent too much of their time worrying about how best to repress the populace to prevent a popular revolt, or taking bribes from foreign business interests.

rather than seeing prolonging their term in office and how much they're going to benefit when they get kicked out as their biggest concern.

I'd rather have a vested interest in their job, personally. A leader needs to maintain the favour of the people to be truly good, for a system to truly last. Autocracy means they are in power forever, for better or worse.