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Orthodox
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Modern Orthodox
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Reform
87
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Atheist
500
53%
Nonobservant
79
8%
Messianic
83
9%
 
Total votes : 936

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:20 pm

Gold state wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Swastika is a big no-no almost everywhere.


But when the games originated in Asia, where it is a symbol of good luck?

Western culture doesn't see it that way, unfortunately.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:20 pm

Gold state wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Swastika is a big no-no almost everywhere.


Also, pokemon means "I am Jewish" apparently according to the Arabs.

Where do expect from Theocrats, to be rational?
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Postby Leningrad Union » Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:17 pm

Gold state wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Swastika is a big no-no almost everywhere.


Also, pokemon means "I am Jewish" apparently according to the Arabs.

Saudi Arabia said it was Zionist propaganda.

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:08 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Gold state wrote:
But when the games originated in Asia, where it is a symbol of good luck?

Western culture doesn't see it that way, unfortunately.

There's a major difference between the Asian and Nazi swastikas though. The Nazi swastika is rotated 45 degrees, instead of having its arms bent at right angles.
Interesting fact: The Training Air Wing of the Finnish Air Force still uses a swastika in its flag. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Training_Air_Wing,_Finnish_Air_Force
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:29 pm

Geilinor wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Western culture doesn't see it that way, unfortunately.

There's a major difference between the Asian and Nazi swastikas though. The Nazi swastika is rotated 45 degrees, instead of having its arms bent at right angles.
Interesting fact: The Training Air Wing of the Finnish Air Force still uses a swastika in its flag. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Training_Air_Wing,_Finnish_Air_Force

I'm aware of those facts. I was simply saying that such a thing isn't really distinguished by many.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:52 am

Fun fact, the spirit of saint Louis had/has a swastica painted on the inside of its nosecone.

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Postby Menassa » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:58 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Fun fact, the spirit of saint Louis had/has a swastica painted on the inside of its nosecone.

*swastika

And yes, good ole charlie was no friend of the Jews.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:08 am

Menassa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Fun fact, the spirit of saint Louis had/has a swastica painted on the inside of its nosecone.

*swastika

And yes, good ole charlie was no friend of the Jews.



Actually, the Swastika was a Tibetan good luck charm favored by Aviators of the early 20th century. It also gained popularity as a good luck symbol in western nations. This popularity is actually why the NAZI chose it as their symbol.

As for Limburg's personal opinion on jews , I can't comment.
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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:21 am

Leningrad Union wrote:
Evraim wrote:I think many of those votes are Atheists without Jewish heritage who didn't actually understand the point of the poll. Of course, I could be mistaken. That said, the percentage of Atheists far outpaces the percentages shown in more scientific polls, but then we aren't surveying the Jewish population at large. Rather, we're interested exclusively in the Jewish population of NS.

Tell that to Metanoia.

Also, NSG is mostly liberal and atheistic anyways...

I'm an agnostic atheist (Yet pro-tradition).
Are you really putting me on the same sentence with the Liberals? :unsure:
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Postby Menassa » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:57 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Menassa wrote:*swastika

And yes, good ole charlie was no friend of the Jews.



Actually, the Swastika was a Tibetan good luck charm favored by Aviators of the early 20th century. It also gained popularity as a good luck symbol in western nations. This popularity is actually why the NAZI chose it as their symbol.

As for Limburg's personal opinion on jews , I can't comment.

The other famous American was Charles Lindbergh, who may have been an anti-Semite, but most certainly claimed publicly that Jews were trying, partly through their ownership of the media, to draw America into the war. Lindbergh represented America First, the powerful isolationist organization that, in fact, ejected Henry Ford for his anti-Semitic views. (See The Isolationist Movement.)


http://www.pbs.org/perilousfight/social/antisemitism/
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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:10 am

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Tell that to Metanoia.

Also, NSG is mostly liberal and atheistic anyways...

I'm an agnostic atheist (Yet pro-tradition).
Are you really putting me on the same sentence with the Liberals? :unsure:

No but most people here are atheist liberals. :P

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:17 pm

Menassa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Actually, the Swastika was a Tibetan good luck charm favored by Aviators of the early 20th century. It also gained popularity as a good luck symbol in western nations. This popularity is actually why the NAZI chose it as their symbol.

As for Limburg's personal opinion on jews , I can't comment.

The other famous American was Charles Lindbergh, who may have been an anti-Semite, but most certainly claimed publicly that Jews were trying, partly through their ownership of the media, to draw America into the war. Lindbergh represented America First, the powerful isolationist organization that, in fact, ejected Henry Ford for his anti-Semitic views. (See The Isolationist Movement.)


http://www.pbs.org/perilousfight/social/antisemitism/

Taking another look, Limburg flew 8 years after the NAZI party adopted the swastika, and 3 years after Mein Kampf was written. So yeah, fuckhead.

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Postby Menassa » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:20 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Taking another look, Limburg flew 8 years after the NAZI party adopted the swastika, and 3 years after Mein Kampf was written. So yeah, fuckhead.

Did you doubt my knowledge of our enemies?

We simply had to check the database. ;)
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Gold state » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:09 pm

Menassa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Taking another look, Limburg flew 8 years after the NAZI party adopted the swastika, and 3 years after Mein Kampf was written. So yeah, fuckhead.

Did you doubt my knowledge of our enemies?

We simply had to check the database. ;)


Unfortunately, the swastika is regarded as an evil symbol. When the opposite is true.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:45 pm

Gold state wrote:
Menassa wrote:Did you doubt my knowledge of our enemies?

We simply had to check the database. ;)


Unfortunately, the swastika is regarded as an evil symbol. When the opposite is true.

Perhaps the symbol has been used for good, but when under the third Reich it became a symbol of Evil.
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:47 pm

Is anyone here a creationist?

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Postby Vazdania » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:48 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:Is anyone here a creationist?

:unsure: I don''t know anymore. :lol2:
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Postby Menassa » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:49 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:Is anyone here a creationist?

Define that word.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:55 pm

Menassa wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Is anyone here a creationist?

Define that word.

Believe YHWH created the world and species never changed over time.

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Postby Menassa » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:55 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Menassa wrote:Define that word.

Believe YHWH created the world and species never changed over time.

You could believe he created the world and species did change over time.
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:03 pm

Menassa wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Believe YHWH created the world and species never changed over time.

You could believe he created the world and species did change over time.

But that is theistic evolution (i believe)

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Postby Gold state » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:03 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Menassa wrote:Define that word.

Believe YHWH created the world and species never changed over time.


God, no.

Yahwehism. :p

In all seriousness, people with Asperger's don't believe in fiction so i guess i'm a Evolutionist.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:03 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Menassa wrote:You could believe he created the world and species did change over time.

But that is theistic evolution (i believe)

Which is different than creationism?
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Menassa » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:04 pm

Gold state wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Believe YHWH created the world and species never changed over time.


God, no.

Yahwehism. :p

In all seriousness, people with Asperger's don't believe in fiction so i guess i'm a Evolutionist.

Wat?
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:13 pm

Gold state wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Believe YHWH created the world and species never changed over time.


God, no.

Yahwehism. :p

In all seriousness, people with Asperger's don't believe in fiction so i guess i'm a Evolutionist.

I was diagnosed at 10 and I am Jewish. So you must be the liar!

Ah that felt so good to get off my chest!

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