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Orthodox
50
5%
Modern Orthodox
36
4%
Conservative
101
11%
Reform
87
9%
Atheist
500
53%
Nonobservant
79
8%
Messianic
83
9%
 
Total votes : 936

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Neo Rome Republic
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:01 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Evraim wrote:Most of the sources I've read seem to contradict that percentage. For example, according to the source below, half the Jewish population of the United States doubts the existence of G-d. This, by itself, doesn't make them Atheists. After all, I am a Theist, and even I have doubts. The more important numbers relate to the ten to fifteen percent of self-proclaimed Atheists. I believe this number is slightly smaller in Israel. In short, we can conclude that while many non-religious Jews exist, perhaps somewhere between half and one third of the population, that it is at least plausible that religious Jews constitute a majority of some kind.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/23/atheist-jews-judaism-without-god_n_978418.html


if i remember right the pew study had atheistic jews between 20 and 25% of jews.

I read one that said 52% of Jews don't believe in God.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:07 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
if i remember right the pew study had atheistic jews between 20 and 25% of jews.

I read one that said 52% of Jews don't believe in God.


pew is pretty reliable, and the last one had a very broad base, i would take their numbers over mostly anybody.

edit, i posted it before but here

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewi ... re-survey/
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Postby Vazdania » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:22 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
if i remember right the pew study had atheistic jews between 20 and 25% of jews.

I read one that said 52% of Jews don't believe in God.

That number was probably highly inflated.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:27 pm

Vazdania wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:I read one that said 52% of Jews don't believe in God.

That number was probably highly inflated.

What makes you say that?
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"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Leningrad Union » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:38 pm

Evraim wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Tell that to Metanoia.

Also, NSG is mostly liberal and atheistic anyways...

I have. Repeatedly. It's like using tackle on ghost type Pokemon.

Am I a nerd yet?

Ethel mermania wrote:i dont think the poll reflects that, more just the visitors to the thread at large.

True.

No! We all play Pokémon! :)

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Postby Menassa » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:44 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Vazdania wrote:That number was probably highly inflated.

What makes you say that?

The only sources that are really worth looking at are the ones with the correct definition of what a Jew is.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:55 pm

Menassa wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:What makes you say that?

The only sources that are really worth looking at are the ones with the correct definition of what a Jew is.

They probably interviewed quarter Jews and half Jews who weren't raised religious also

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:56 pm

Menassa wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:What makes you say that?

The only sources that are really worth looking at are the ones with the correct definition of what a Jew is.

What would that definition be?
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This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:57 pm

Menassa wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:What makes you say that?

The only sources that are really worth looking at are the ones with the correct definition of what a Jew is.


i dont know of any like that, they are all self identifying

are you jewish?

not

was your mother and all her line as far back as you know, jewish?
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Postby Gold state » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:00 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Evraim wrote:I have. Repeatedly. It's like using tackle on ghost type Pokemon.

Am I a nerd yet?


True.

No! We all play Pokémon! :)


I would love to see a pokemon based on each different religion.

Although, it could get a bit controversial when the one based on Islam appears.
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Postby Iuronia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:00 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Menassa wrote:The only sources that are really worth looking at are the ones with the correct definition of what a Jew is.


i dont know of any like that, they are all self identifying

are you jewish?

not

was your mother and all her line as far back as you know, jewish?

So which one is it? Israel (or the Orthodox) recognizes only the latter, but it seems that the majority of the Jewish world (or the Reform) prefers the former.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:01 pm

Gold state wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:No! We all play Pokémon! :)


I would love to see a pokemon based on each different religion.

Although, it could get a bit controversial when the one based on Islam appears.

*shudders*
Ethical and Metaphysical: (Pan) Humanist and Naturalist.
Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Gold state » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:01 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Gold state wrote:
I would love to see a pokemon based on each different religion.

Although, it could get a bit controversial when the one based on Islam appears.

*shudders*


I can see the protests now...
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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:03 pm

What have I stumbled on?
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Postby Gold state » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:05 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:What have I stumbled on?


Pokemon, pokemon, pokemon....
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Postby Menassa » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:08 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Menassa wrote:The only sources that are really worth looking at are the ones with the correct definition of what a Jew is.

What would that definition be?

You are Jewish only through your mother or an Orthodox conversion.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:08 pm

Gold state wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:What have I stumbled on?


Pokemon, pokemon, pokemon....


Besides that???
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“We know nothing of religion here: we only think of Christ.” -C.S. Lewis.

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Postby Leningrad Union » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:08 pm

Gold state wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:No! We all play Pokémon! :)


I would love to see a pokemon based on each different religion.

Although, it could get a bit controversial when the one based on Islam appears.

Totally. I imagine non Muslims dying and "ITBACH EL YAHOOD!" shouted on all corners of the earth.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:10 pm

Gold state wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:*shudders*


I can see the protests now...

These types of things will always have me as a protestor.
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This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Gold state » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:10 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Gold state wrote:
I would love to see a pokemon based on each different religion.

Although, it could get a bit controversial when the one based on Islam appears.

Totally. I imagine non Muslims dying and "ITBACH EL YAHOOD!" shouted on all corners of the earth.


I typed in "A Jewish pokemon" and it came up with Nosepass.

That's not a stereotype at all...

And the Arab world believes pokemon is a "Zionist plot" :rofl:
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Postby Gold state » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:12 pm

[url]http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_controversy#Imagery_and_symbolism[/url]


I bet some of you will now say pokemon is racist, i mean a left facing asian swastika?
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:14 pm

Gold state wrote:[url]http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_controversy#Imagery_and_symbolism[/url]


I bet some of you will now say pokemon is racist, i mean a left facing asian swastika?

Swastika is a big no-no almost everywhere.
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This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:15 pm

Iuronia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
i dont know of any like that, they are all self identifying

are you jewish?

not

was your mother and all her line as far back as you know, jewish?

So which one is it? Israel (or the Orthodox) recognizes only the latter, but it seems that the majority of the Jewish world (or the Reform) prefers the former.

it doesnt matter, the poll is not going to answer that.
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

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Postby Gold state » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:16 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Gold state wrote:[url]http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_controversy#Imagery_and_symbolism[/url]


I bet some of you will now say pokemon is racist, i mean a left facing asian swastika?

Swastika is a big no-no almost everywhere.


But when the games originated in Asia, where it is a symbol of good luck?
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Postby Gold state » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:16 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Gold state wrote:[url]http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_controversy#Imagery_and_symbolism[/url]


I bet some of you will now say pokemon is racist, i mean a left facing asian swastika?

Swastika is a big no-no almost everywhere.


Also, pokemon means "I am Jewish" apparently according to the Arabs.
Support Palestine, against the Israeli terrorism.
RIP, the Palestinians and Jews murdered by the IDF and Hamas.
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