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Orthodox
50
5%
Modern Orthodox
36
4%
Conservative
101
11%
Reform
87
9%
Atheist
500
53%
Nonobservant
79
8%
Messianic
83
9%
 
Total votes : 936

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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:01 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Kingdom of Israel wrote:I wouldn't.
But if I have, I would have felt terrible.

Even if it was under 1%?

:blink: That would be a VERY VERY VERY distant ancestor.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Even if it was under 1%?

:blink: That would be a VERY VERY VERY distant ancestor.

Still. And we need more religious Jews on here!

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Postby Menassa » Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:19 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :blink: That would be a VERY VERY VERY distant ancestor.

Still. And we need more religious Jews on here!

I'm fine...
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Postby Leningrad Union » Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:23 pm

Menassa wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Still. And we need more religious Jews on here!

I'm fine...

I was referring to evening up the poll :P

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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:34 pm

Menassa wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Still. And we need more religious Jews on here!

I'm fine...

You're fine with this many on here?
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Postby Iuronia » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:27 am

Leningrad Union wrote:
Kingdom of Israel wrote:I wouldn't.
But if I have, I would have felt terrible.

Even if it was under 1%?

That's not really how genetics work. Such percentage is as irrelevant as it gets.
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Postby Yisrae1 » Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:25 am

Vazdania wrote:....I THROW MY LATKES IN THE AIR SOMETIMES SAYIN' AY OH SPIN THE DREIDEL! :lol2:


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Postby Evraim » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:10 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:I'm fine...

You're fine with this many on here?

I think many of those votes are Atheists without Jewish heritage who didn't actually understand the point of the poll. Of course, I could be mistaken. That said, the percentage of Atheists far outpaces the percentages shown in more scientific polls, but then we aren't surveying the Jewish population at large. Rather, we're interested exclusively in the Jewish population of NS.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:15 pm

Menassa wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Still. And we need more religious Jews on here!

I'm fine...

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:17 pm

I for one praise you guys for your Atheistic leaning. :clap: :clap: :clap: :D
I hope that someday the rest of the world experiences it, as well. :D
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Ethical and Metaphysical: (Pan) Humanist and Naturalist.
Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Evraim » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:19 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:I for one praise you guys for your Atheistic leaning. :clap: :clap: :clap: :D
I hope that someday the rest of the world experiences it, as well. :D

Most of the regular posters aren't Atheists to my knowledge. That said, it's not my position to determine which praise my cohorts accept and which they reject. In any case, we do have a few Atheists and Non-theists lurking about.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:20 pm

Evraim wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:I for one praise you guys for your Atheistic leaning. :clap: :clap: :clap: :D
I hope that someday the rest of the world experiences it, as well. :D

Most of the regular posters aren't Atheists to my knowledge. That said, it's not my position to determine which praise my cohorts accept and which they reject. In any case, we do have a few Atheists and Non-theists lurking about.

I was referring to the polls.
Ethical and Metaphysical: (Pan) Humanist and Naturalist.
Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Iuronia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:22 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Evraim wrote:Most of the regular posters aren't Atheists to my knowledge. That said, it's not my position to determine which praise my cohorts accept and which they reject. In any case, we do have a few Atheists and Non-theists lurking about.

I was referring to the polls.

The thing is, I doubt only Jews have answered the poll, which kinda skews it.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:23 pm

Iuronia wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:I was referring to the polls.

The thing is, I doubt only Jews have answered the poll, which kinda skews it.

What makes you say that? This is a Jewish discussion thread. It seems fine to me.
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Ethical and Metaphysical: (Pan) Humanist and Naturalist.
Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Conscentia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:25 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Iuronia wrote:The thing is, I doubt only Jews have answered the poll, which kinda skews it.

What makes you say that? This is a Jewish discussion thread. It seems fine to me.

It happens on every poll.
It is unlikely that there are 745 Jews on NS. (Based the results of this: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=274092&start=4275 & the fact that Jews are minority, and only a minority of Jews are on NS, and only a minority of them are Generalites.)
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:25 pm

Conscentia wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:What makes you say that? This is a Jewish discussion thread. It seems fine to me.

It happens on every poll.

Prove it. 52% of Jews don't believe in God, this poll is accurately reflected therefore, imo.
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Ethical and Metaphysical: (Pan) Humanist and Naturalist.
Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:29 pm

Conscentia wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Prove it. 52% of Jews don't believe in God, this poll is accurately reflected therefore, imo.

There is no such thing as proof outside of the formal sciences.

Show me some kind of evidence to your claim, is what I'm saying. I'm not going to discuss anything, if you're just going to waste my time talking semantics.
Ethical and Metaphysical: (Pan) Humanist and Naturalist.
Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Conscentia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:31 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Conscentia wrote:There is no such thing as proof outside of the formal sciences.

Show me some kind of evidence to your claim, is what I'm saying. I'm not going to discuss anything, if you're just going to waste my time talking semantics.

Scroll up.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:32 pm

Conscentia wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Show me some kind of evidence to your claim, is what I'm saying. I'm not going to discuss anything, if you're just going to waste my time talking semantics.

Scroll up.

Edit: Okay got it.
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Ethical and Metaphysical: (Pan) Humanist and Naturalist.
Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
OOC Info Page Pros And Cons Political Ideology

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Postby Evraim » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:55 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:Prove it. 52% of Jews don't believe in God, this poll is accurately reflected therefore, imo.

Most of the sources I've read seem to contradict that percentage. For example, according to the source below, half the Jewish population of the United States doubts the existence of G-d. This, by itself, doesn't make them Atheists. After all, I am a Theist, and even I have doubts. The more important numbers relate to the ten to fifteen percent of self-proclaimed Atheists. I believe this number is slightly smaller in Israel. In short, we can conclude that while many non-religious Jews exist, perhaps somewhere between half and one third of the population, that it is at least plausible that religious Jews constitute a majority of some kind.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/23/atheist-jews-judaism-without-god_n_978418.html

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Postby Leningrad Union » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:34 pm

Evraim wrote:
Vazdania wrote:You're fine with this many on here?

I think many of those votes are Atheists without Jewish heritage who didn't actually understand the point of the poll. Of course, I could be mistaken. That said, the percentage of Atheists far outpaces the percentages shown in more scientific polls, but then we aren't surveying the Jewish population at large. Rather, we're interested exclusively in the Jewish population of NS.

Tell that to Metanoia.

Also, NSG is mostly liberal and atheistic anyways...

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:44 pm

Evraim wrote:
Vazdania wrote:You're fine with this many on here?

I think many of those votes are Atheists without Jewish heritage who didn't actually understand the point of the poll. Of course, I could be mistaken. That said, the percentage of Atheists far outpaces the percentages shown in more scientific polls, but then we aren't surveying the Jewish population at large. Rather, we're interested exclusively in the Jewish population of NS.

i dont think the poll reflects that, more just the visitors to the thread at large.
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Postby Evraim » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:48 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:Tell that to Metanoia.

Also, NSG is mostly liberal and atheistic anyways...

I have. Repeatedly. It's like using tackle on ghost type Pokemon.

Am I a nerd yet?

Ethel mermania wrote:i dont think the poll reflects that, more just the visitors to the thread at large.

True.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:49 pm

Evraim wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Prove it. 52% of Jews don't believe in God, this poll is accurately reflected therefore, imo.

Most of the sources I've read seem to contradict that percentage. For example, according to the source below, half the Jewish population of the United States doubts the existence of G-d. This, by itself, doesn't make them Atheists. After all, I am a Theist, and even I have doubts. The more important numbers relate to the ten to fifteen percent of self-proclaimed Atheists. I believe this number is slightly smaller in Israel. In short, we can conclude that while many non-religious Jews exist, perhaps somewhere between half and one third of the population, that it is at least plausible that religious Jews constitute a majority of some kind.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/23/atheist-jews-judaism-without-god_n_978418.html


if i remember right the pew study had atheistic jews between 20 and 25% of jews.
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