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Orthodox
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5%
Modern Orthodox
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Atheist
500
53%
Nonobservant
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8%
Messianic
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9%
 
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:47 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Menassa wrote:The Culture emerged from the religion.

I can't be bothered debating history with you, so I'll keep my answer short: Nope.

Menassa wrote:That's generally the opposite of how Jewish identity is preserved, because then what makes me a Jew and you not a Jew? I feel connected to Judaism? What if I don't feel connected tomorrow, am I not a Jew?
And what if my children don't identify with Judaism? Are they Jewish?

If I'm Finnish, & raised by a ethnic German couple as a South African in China, and then I move to Italy & assimilate, what am I? Answer: Italian. Why? Because I've assimilated & thus adopt an Italy identity.

One's ancestors may have been something, however that does not mean you are that same thing.

Menassa wrote:That's something inherently not Jewish, as inherently not Jewish is the Trinity is.

Secular Jews disagree.

Menassa wrote:Again, something not Jewish.
The Jewish belief is that the commandments ordained by God define ethics and morality and serve human needs in the best way possible.

Secular Jews disagree.
Do not project thy faith on thy ethnicity.

So they're just taking their ethnic Judaism and opening it to be less than ethnic?
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Postby Conscentia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:52 pm

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I can't be bothered debating history with you, so I'll keep my answer short: Nope.


If I'm Finnish, & raised by a ethnic German couple as a South African in China, and then I move to Italy & assimilate, what am I? Answer: Italian. Why? Because I've assimilated & thus adopt an Italy identity.

One's ancestors may have been something, however that does not mean you are that same thing.


Secular Jews disagree.


Secular Jews disagree.
Do not project thy faith on thy ethnicity.

So they're just taking their ethnic Judaism and opening it to be less than ethnic?

They combine Jewish culture with humanist philosophy, and are open to anyone who identifies with Jewish culture & being a Jew.

For better answers, ask an actual Jewish humanist.
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:55 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Menassa wrote:So they're just taking their ethnic Judaism and opening it to be less than ethnic?

They combine Jewish culture with humanist philosophy, and are open to anyone who identifies with Jewish culture & being a Jew.

For better answers, ask an actual Jewish humanist.

Suppose I should have done that to begin with my friend. :p
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."
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Postby Leningrad Union » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:44 am

How are my fellow Khazarian Jewlluminati Satanists doing? :P
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:36 pm

Something I found interesting.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:57 pm




Indeed that is interesting.
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Leningrad Union
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Postby Leningrad Union » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:46 pm

Do you fellow Jews celebrate this new year too?
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:11 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:Do you fellow Jews celebrate this new year too?


Why not? I like eating smores.
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:12 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Do you fellow Jews celebrate this new year too?

Why not? I like eating smores.

That's camping.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:13 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Why not? I like eating smores.

That's camping.


It is a tradition for my family to eat smores while watching the ball drop, so nope.
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:15 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:Do you fellow Jews celebrate this new year too?

September!

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:



Indeed that is interesting.

A lot of the stuff from that website is interesting.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."
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Postby Yisrae1 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:16 pm

Menassa wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Do you fellow Jews celebrate this new year too?

September!


This ^
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:27 pm

....I THROW MY LATKES IN THE AIR SOMETIMES SAYIN' AY OH SPIN THE DREIDEL! :lol2:
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Leningrad Union
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Postby Leningrad Union » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:07 pm

Yisrae1 wrote:
Menassa wrote:September!


This ^

I celebrate both
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Postby Maryginia » Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:41 pm

Found this, This is what I leanred when I was littgle instead of Puff the Magic dragon I leanred this.\
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Kingdom of Israel
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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:49 am

Leningrad Union wrote:Do you fellow Jews celebrate this new year too?

Nah.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:18 am

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:They do not disregard the scripture. They (correctly) regard the myths and traditional laws to be of great significance to Jewish culture. People may value the contents of scripture to be a value for reasons other than "god told to".

The Tradition is based off of thousands of years of religion as well.
"I do it because of my ancestors."
Do you believe in God because of your ancestors?

They've excluded the Vital part of the program, and that's excluding their desires for the continuation of their 'denomination.'


maybe, but its their choice, which is just as valid as your choice. there is a strong social justice piece of judiasm, particularly the latter prophets, and this message is what attracts them to humanistic judiasm, more so than the "i am the lord your god" bit.
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Leningrad Union
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Postby Leningrad Union » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:52 am

How would you react if you found out you were part khazar?
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Postby Iuronia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:19 am

Leningrad Union wrote:How would you react if you found out you were part khazar?

Shrug.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:37 am

Iuronia wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:How would you react if you found out you were part khazar?

Shrug.

Same. I'm sure Russian Jews have a little bit khazar in them but not more than 15%. I think it is funny because David duke admitted we were descendants of Abraham. :rofl:
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Kingdom of Israel
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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:36 am

Leningrad Union wrote:
Iuronia wrote:Shrug.

Same. I'm sure Russian Jews have a little bit khazar in them but not more than 15%. I think it is funny because David duke admitted we were descendants of Abraham. :rofl:

Surprising he isn't a conspiracy-believing here.
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91% Nationalistic
57% Fundementalist
88% Reactionary
92% Authoritarian
31% Capitalistic
99% Militaristic
63% Anthropocentric
Jewish Ethnic Nationalism, Revisionist Zionism, Greater Israel, Capitalist Autarky, Population transfer of the Arabs, Hebrew culture and language, Militarism, Powerful government
Anti-nationalism, antisemitism, anti-Zionism, anti-Israel, Cosmopolitanism, Pacifism, Internationalism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, "two states", "bi-national state", "all-citizens state", terrorism, Nazism
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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:37 am

Leningrad Union wrote:How would you react if you found out you were part khazar?

I wouldn't.
But if I have, I would have felt terrible.
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91% Nationalistic
57% Fundementalist
88% Reactionary
92% Authoritarian
31% Capitalistic
99% Militaristic
63% Anthropocentric
Jewish Ethnic Nationalism, Revisionist Zionism, Greater Israel, Capitalist Autarky, Population transfer of the Arabs, Hebrew culture and language, Militarism, Powerful government
Anti-nationalism, antisemitism, anti-Zionism, anti-Israel, Cosmopolitanism, Pacifism, Internationalism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, "two states", "bi-national state", "all-citizens state", terrorism, Nazism
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Leningrad Union
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Postby Leningrad Union » Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:42 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Same. I'm sure Russian Jews have a little bit khazar in them but not more than 15%. I think it is funny because David duke admitted we were descendants of Abraham. :rofl:

Surprising he isn't a conspiracy-believing here.

Yep. Apparently he us just anti Israel now.
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Leningrad Union
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Postby Leningrad Union » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:13 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:How would you react if you found out you were part khazar?

I wouldn't.
But if I have, I would have felt terrible.

Even if it was under 1%?
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Postby Evraim » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:36 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:How are my fellow Khazarian Jewlluminati Satanists doing? :P

Well. :twisted:

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:How would you react if you found out you were part khazar?

I wouldn't.
But if I have, I would have felt terrible.

Why?

Menassa wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Do you fellow Jews celebrate this new year too?

September!

That's the First New Year.
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