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Postby Leningrad Union » Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:23 pm

Ammar wrote:Does anyone else think Ebenezer Scrooge is a Jewish stereotype?

http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=422
http://voices.yahoo.com/the-hidden-stor ... 31189.html

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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:55 am

Leningrad Union wrote:
Ammar wrote:Does anyone else think Ebenezer Scrooge is a Jewish stereotype?

http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=422
http://voices.yahoo.com/the-hidden-stor ... 31189.html

Wow, never thought about it that way...
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Postby Leningrad Union » Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:38 am

Kingdom of Israel wrote:

Wow, never thought about it that way...

Scrooge is a super-Jew :rofl:

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Postby Leningrad Union » Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:31 am

What is worse, holocaust deniers or people who make fun of it?

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Postby DogDoo 7 » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:48 am

Leningrad Union wrote:What is worse, holocaust deniers or people who make fun of it?

well, considering that pretty much every israeli falls into the latter category...
Just ask this scientician--Troy McClure

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Postby Leningrad Union » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:59 am

DogDoo 7 wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:What is worse, holocaust deniers or people who make fun of it?

well, considering that pretty much every israeli falls into the latter category...

How so?

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:01 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
DogDoo 7 wrote:well, considering that pretty much every israeli falls into the latter category...

How so?


Gallows humor is pretty common in Jewish culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallows_humor


"The ego refuses to be distressed by the provocations of reality, to let itself be compelled to suffer. It insists that it cannot be affected by the traumas of the external world; it shows, in fact, that such traumas are no more than occasions for it to gain pleasure"

In essence, it's showing that even after all they've done, they still havn't got to you.


Gallows humor is a kind of humor which developed in middle Europe, from where it was imported to the United States as part of Jewish humor
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:05 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:How so?


Gallows humor is pretty common in Jewish culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallows_humor


"The ego refuses to be distressed by the provocations of reality, to let itself be compelled to suffer. It insists that it cannot be affected by the traumas of the external world; it shows, in fact, that such traumas are no more than occasions for it to gain pleasure"

In essence, it's showing that even after all they've done, they still havn't got to you.


Gallows humor is a kind of humor which developed in middle Europe, from where it was imported to the United States as part of Jewish humor

:geek: So basically its a form of dark humour?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:08 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Gallows humor is pretty common in Jewish culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallows_humor


"The ego refuses to be distressed by the provocations of reality, to let itself be compelled to suffer. It insists that it cannot be affected by the traumas of the external world; it shows, in fact, that such traumas are no more than occasions for it to gain pleasure"

In essence, it's showing that even after all they've done, they still havn't got to you.



:geek: So basically its a form of dark humour?


Pretty much, it's a subset of dark humour.
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Postby Daxe » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:08 pm

Can I join this thread. I am not jew (actually, I'm muslim), but I'm interested in the israëlo-palestinian conflict. :)

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Postby St James Puppet NationVille » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:09 pm

I have a question. I'm not Jewish so I wouldn't now? Despite the fact that it is traditionally a Christan holiday, do some Jews celebrate Christmas but focusing on the whole Santa thing?

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Postby Leningrad Union » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:09 pm

But what sick fuck makes holocaust jokes?!

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:10 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:But what sick fuck makes holocaust jokes?!

Ummm.... :unsure: *whistles*
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Postby Daxe » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:11 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:But what sick fuck makes holocaust jokes?!

It wasn't a joke...

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:11 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:But what sick fuck makes holocaust jokes?!


People in concentration camps, I gather.
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:12 pm

Daxe wrote:Can I join this thread. I am not jew (actually, I'm muslim), but I'm interested in the israëlo-palestinian conflict. :)

There is actually an Israeli-Palestinian Conflict thread already, but you're welcome to discuss Judaism here.
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:13 pm

St James Puppet NationVille wrote:I have a question. I'm not Jewish so I wouldn't now? Despite the fact that it is traditionally a Christan holiday, do some Jews celebrate Christmas but focusing on the whole Santa thing?

:eyebrow: erm......I would likely have to say no for most Orthodox and Conservative......perhaps for Reform or Liberal sects :unsure:
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Postby Daxe » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:15 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Daxe wrote:Can I join this thread. I am not jew (actually, I'm muslim), but I'm interested in the israëlo-palestinian conflict. :)

There is actually an Israeli-Palestinian Conflict thread already, but you're welcome to discuss Judaism here.

Ah, I didn't know that. :S

Actually, I want to ask a question, I never understand why some people say "Jewish Atheist" rather than "Atheist". Judaism is a religion, isn't it? :eyebrow:

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Postby St James Puppet NationVille » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:
St James Puppet NationVille wrote:I have a question. I'm not Jewish so I wouldn't now? Despite the fact that it is traditionally a Christan holiday, do some Jews celebrate Christmas but focusing on the whole Santa thing?

:eyebrow: erm......I would likely have to say no for most Orthodox and Conservative......perhaps for Reform or Liberal sects :unsure:


Ok thanks! :D

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:16 pm

St James Puppet NationVille wrote:I have a question. I'm not Jewish so I wouldn't now? Despite the fact that it is traditionally a Christan holiday, do some Jews celebrate Christmas but focusing on the whole Santa thing?

Christmas is a national holiday, which gives license for any person in the US, to celebrate it.
So yes, they probably do. Seeing as 95% of Americans and 80% of Non-Christians, celebrate it.
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:17 pm

Daxe wrote:
Vazdania wrote:There is actually an Israeli-Palestinian Conflict thread already, but you're welcome to discuss Judaism here.

Ah, I didn't know that. :S

Actually, I want to ask a question, I never understand why some people say "Jewish Atheist" rather than "Atheist". Judaism is a religion, isn't it? :eyebrow:

Well its actually an ethno-religion. If your mother is Jewish, so are you. If you choose not to follow Judaism as a religion, you're still Jewish.
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:18 pm

St James Puppet NationVille wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :eyebrow: erm......I would likely have to say no for most Orthodox and Conservative......perhaps for Reform or Liberal sects :unsure:


Ok thanks! :D

I'm no authority on that though. :o So don't quote me. I am merely a Noahide.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:56 pm

Daxe wrote:Can I join this thread. I am not jew (actually, I'm muslim), but I'm interested in the israëlo-palestinian conflict. :)


this thread is NOT about the isrealie - pallestinian conflict. it is about judisam. if you have questions about judisiam thats fine. if you want to bitch about isreal, please take it over there.
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Postby Daxe » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:59 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Daxe wrote:Ah, I didn't know that. :S

Actually, I want to ask a question, I never understand why some people say "Jewish Atheist" rather than "Atheist". Judaism is a religion, isn't it? :eyebrow:

Well its actually an ethno-religion. If your mother is Jewish, so are you. If you choose not to follow Judaism as a religion, you're still Jewish.

But the ethnic appelation isn't israelite? Because, a seraphad jew isn't a part of a jew ethny, but a part of a berber ethny, for example...
Plus, you are muslim if your father is muslim, but you aren't a part of a "muslim" ethny.

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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:59 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Daxe wrote:Can I join this thread. I am not jew (actually, I'm muslim), but I'm interested in the israëlo-palestinian conflict. :)


this thread is NOT about the isrealie - pallestinian conflict. it is about judisam. if you have questions about judisiam thats fine. if you want to bitch about isreal, please take it over there.

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