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Postby Mizrah » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:09 pm

Is there anything in Jewish Law about conquest? I mean, can we establish a Jewish Empire of sorts?
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Postby Menassa » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:09 pm

Mizrah wrote:Is there anything in Jewish Law about conquest? I mean, can we establish a Jewish Empire of sorts?

We would need a king from David.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:14 pm

Menassa wrote:
Mizrah wrote:Is there anything in Jewish Law about conquest? I mean, can we establish a Jewish Empire of sorts?

We would need a king from David.

I am the next king David

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Postby Mizrah » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:14 pm

Menassa wrote:
Mizrah wrote:Is there anything in Jewish Law about conquest? I mean, can we establish a Jewish Empire of sorts?

We would need a king from David.


That is it? Afterwards we can conquer the rest of the Middle East and Mediterranean?
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Mizrah
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Postby Mizrah » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:19 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Menassa wrote:We would need a king from David.

I am the next king David


No no. I am from the Tribe of Judah. I shall be Rami, Melech Israel.

Anyway, according to one study, about half of all Jews could be descended from King David.
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Postby Evraim » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:19 pm

Mizrah wrote:
Menassa wrote:We would need a king from David.


That is it? Afterwards we can conquer the rest of the Middle East and Mediterranean?

We shouldn't need to conquer the Middle East, the Mediterranean, or anything else. We're a nation of priests, not of soldiers.

Leningrad Union wrote:I am the next king David

Is your name David then?
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Postby Maryginia » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:20 pm

Evraim wrote:
Mizrah wrote:
That is it? Afterwards we can conquer the rest of the Middle East and Mediterranean?

We shouldn't need to conquer the Middle East, the Mediterranean, or anything else. We're a nation of priests, not of soldiers.

We did Conquer the Land of Israel
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Postby Evraim » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:20 pm

Maryginia wrote:We did Conquer the Land of Israel

Because G-d was with us. We couldn't have done it by ourselves if the scriptures are to be believed.

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Postby Mizrah » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:24 pm

Evraim wrote:

We shouldn't need to conquer the Middle East, the Mediterranean, or anything else. We're a nation of priests, not of soldiers.


Ehr, well, only 8% of Jews are Levi, so . . . we are 92% a nation of Jews.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:27 pm

Evraim wrote:
Mizrah wrote:
That is it? Afterwards we can conquer the rest of the Middle East and Mediterranean?

We shouldn't need to conquer the Middle East, the Mediterranean, or anything else. We're a nation of priests, not of soldiers.

Leningrad Union wrote:I am the next king David

Is your name David then?

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Postby Mizrah » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:37 pm

We could have a caste system.

Jews
Mixed
Gentiles

Then, the gentiles can be broken up between Goyim and Geirei Toshavim.
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Postby Menassa » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:54 pm

Mizrah wrote:
Menassa wrote:We would need a king from David.


That is it? Afterwards we can conquer the rest of the Middle East and Mediterranean?

The next king from David is going to be the Messiah my friend, and in that Era there shall be an era of peace... where nation shall not lift up sword against nation.
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"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
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Postby Menassa » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:54 pm

Mizrah wrote:We could have a caste system.

Jews
Mixed
Gentiles

Then, the gentiles can be broken up between Goyim and Geirei Toshavim.

Yeah that's not a very good caste system... all people Jew or gentile, were created in the image of God.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Menassa » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:55 pm

Maryginia wrote:
Evraim wrote:We shouldn't need to conquer the Middle East, the Mediterranean, or anything else. We're a nation of priests, not of soldiers.

We did Conquer the Land of Israel

Not by our sake.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:36 am

Menassa wrote:
Mizrah wrote:We could have a caste system.

Jews
Mixed
Gentiles

Then, the gentiles can be broken up between Goyim and Geirei Toshavim.

Yeah that's not a very good caste system... all people Jew or gentile, were created in the image of God.

some moreso than others

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Postby Menassa » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:58 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Menassa wrote:Yeah that's not a very good caste system... all people Jew or gentile, were created in the image of God.

some moreso than others

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You there, you're funny.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Evraim » Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:18 pm

Menassa wrote:You there, you're funny.

Relevant.

Also, relevant.
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Postby Vazdania » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:13 pm

Mizrah wrote:We could have a caste system.

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Then, the gentiles can be broken up between Goyim and Geirei Toshavim.

What about Chasidic Goyim? Q~Q
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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:14 pm

Mizrah wrote:
We shouldn't need to conquer the Middle East, the Mediterranean, or anything else. We're a nation of priests, not of soldiers.


Ehr, well, only 8% of Jews are Levi, so . . . we are 92% a nation of Jews.

Ummmmmmm.... Levites are Jews.

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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:19 pm

Evraim wrote:
Mizrah wrote:
That is it? Afterwards we can conquer the rest of the Middle East and Mediterranean?

We shouldn't need to conquer the Middle East, the Mediterranean, or anything else. We're a nation of priests, not of soldiers.

Leningrad Union wrote:I am the next king David

Is your name David then?

No no, we are a nation of soldiers.
Archeologically-historically speaking, the ancient Israelites were probably the most militaristic nation in the known world at that time.
And the:
Hasmonean Revolt
Antigonus Revolt
Pulmus Varus
Judas of Galilee's revolt
The Great Revolt
Kitos War
Bar Kokhba Revolt
Gallus Revolt
Hercalius Revolt

And out military superiority at modern times.

We are indeed a nation of soldiers.
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91% Nationalistic
57% Fundementalist
88% Reactionary
92% Authoritarian
31% Capitalistic
99% Militaristic
63% Anthropocentric
Jewish Ethnic Nationalism, Revisionist Zionism, Greater Israel, Capitalist Autarky, Population transfer of the Arabs, Hebrew culture and language, Militarism, Powerful government
Anti-nationalism, antisemitism, anti-Zionism, anti-Israel, Cosmopolitanism, Pacifism, Internationalism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, "two states", "bi-national state", "all-citizens state", terrorism, Nazism
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Postby Vazdania » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:27 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Evraim wrote:We shouldn't need to conquer the Middle East, the Mediterranean, or anything else. We're a nation of priests, not of soldiers.


Is your name David then?

No no, we are a nation of soldiers.
Archeologically-historically speaking, the ancient Israelites were probably the most militaristic nation in the known world at that time.
And the:
Hasmonean Revolt
Antigonus Revolt
Pulmus Varus
Judas of Galilee's revolt
The Great Revolt
Kitos War
Bar Kokhba Revolt
Gallus Revolt
Hercalius Revolt

And out military superiority at modern times.

We are indeed a nation of soldiers.

:geek: Well that's only because people seem to just hate you so much. If it were not for that, I'm quite certain you'd all dawn your tallits and sing Kumbaiyah.
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Postby Evraim » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:46 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:No no, we are a nation of soldiers.


Why then did we face persecution and exile at the hands of so many empires?

Kingdom of Israel wrote:Archeologically-historically speaking, the ancient Israelites were probably the most militaristic nation in the known world at that time.


We didn't develop military discipline to the same extent as the Persians, Greeks, Romans, or Arabs. I would even argue that the Egyptians, Hittites, Assyrians, and Babylonians all had more deeply entrenched martial traditions than we did. We fought back, and were certainly a local power, but we were not first and foremost soldiers. We only became soldiers to protect our land and our status as a nation of priests.

Kingdom of Israel wrote:And out military superiority at modern times.


We're superior on a local level. Defeating the rabbles that pass for armies in the Arab world isn't really like defeating a Western military. Israel has been most successful when employing unconventional tactics together with superior technology to quickly destroy the military capacity of its enemies.

Kingdom of Israel wrote:We are indeed a nation of soldiers.


In the modern day, perhaps, out of necessity. Historically, we have not generally been soldiers. In fact, most of the European and Middle Eastern states didn't make much use of Jewish people in their armies. We served as doctors, philosophers, advisers, money lenders, and other jobs of that sort.

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Postby Yisrae1 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:52 am

Kingdom of Israel, Leningrad and me are Levi'im that's pretty awesome :D! Caste system? I do believe that is against one of our 613 mitzvot and that is to love the gentiles. I would never support an Israel under a caste system. As we await the Messiah and I believe we as a people who are lights upon the nations (or lagoyim) and should conduct ourselves as the people of G-d as we are. My belief is that we must push and help the gentiles towards the Messianic Era, it's our duty to show the lovingness and righteousness of G-d is it not?
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Postby Yisrae1 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:57 am

Leningrad Union wrote:
Menassa wrote:We would need a king from David.

I am the next king David

Couldn't you have picked to be the next King Shlomo? I rather be the new Queen of Shevah than Bat Shevah! Lol.
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Postby Yisrae1 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:00 am

Menassa wrote:
Maryginia wrote:We did Conquer the Land of Israel

Not by our sake.

Thanks for this ♥.
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