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Postby Ralkovia » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:05 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:its why i would be going to hell, if i believed there was a hell, pass the drawn butter, please.

Hell yes.

I just ate a burger with a bomb ass milkshake and I don't care.


And the laws on dairy and meat are also kind of unique if you think about it. Back at a time when families maybe had 1 to 4 cows, chances were the meat you were eating came from one of their children. Now a days, the slaughter house and dairy farm most likely aren't even in the same state.
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Postby The God-Realm » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:07 am

Ralkovia wrote:
The God-Realm wrote:Hell yes.

I just ate a burger with a bomb ass milkshake and I don't care.


And the laws on dairy and meat are also kind of unique if you think about it. Back at a time when families maybe had 1 to 4 cows, chances were the meat you were eating came from one of their children. Now a days, the slaughter house and dairy farm most likely aren't even in the same state.

Interesting.
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Postby Ammar » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:13 am

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Nordengrund wrote:Kind of a stupid question, but would Messianic Jews be considered Christians because they accept Christ as the Messiah.

I think they're Christians.... unless their mothers are Jewish.

Is religion genetic? :eyebrow:
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Postby Menassa » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:19 am

Ralkovia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
I always though maybe he really likes pigs, and does not want to see them eaten, same with lobster and shrimp, such tasty creatures. (Sigh).


Many modern Jews think that the laws of kashrut are simply primitive health regulations that have become obsolete with modern methods of food preparation.

Most of those who keep Kosher now, only do it because the Torah says so.

If you look at it, the pig wallowed in filth, the shrimp and lobsters are bottom feeders. Vultures ate the infected meat of other dead animals. These seem more like regulations on health, then favoritism.

While this is true some orthodoxy look at this as a benefit that the ancients had for serving god, like we still have to do it, but back then when they did it they were had a special side perk more than we do today.

Ammar wrote:
Menassa wrote:I think they're Christians.... unless their mothers are Jewish.

Is religion genetic? :eyebrow:


In Orthodox (and some conservadox, traditiodox, Conservative) Judaism, you are defined ethnically as a Jew if your mother is Jewish.... meaning you're obligated to keep the 613 commandments stated in the Torah (and the oral law according to some.)
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:47 am

Ralkovia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
I always though maybe he really likes pigs, and does not want to see them eaten, same with lobster and shrimp, such tasty creatures. (Sigh).


Many modern Jews think that the laws of kashrut are simply primitive health regulations that have become obsolete with modern methods of food preparation.

Most of those who keep Kosher now, only do it because the Torah says so.

If you look at it, the pig wallowed in filth, the shrimp and lobsters are bottom feeders. Vultures ate the infected meat of other dead animals. These seem more like regulations on health, then favoritism.


From what i remember of hebrew school, part of it was from health reasons, and part of it was to keep jews from breaking bread with their neighbors, who did eat all the forbidden foods. I never got a good answer for not mixing flax and wool, or is it wool and linen?
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Postby Menassa » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:58 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ralkovia wrote:
Many modern Jews think that the laws of kashrut are simply primitive health regulations that have become obsolete with modern methods of food preparation.

Most of those who keep Kosher now, only do it because the Torah says so.

If you look at it, the pig wallowed in filth, the shrimp and lobsters are bottom feeders. Vultures ate the infected meat of other dead animals. These seem more like regulations on health, then favoritism.


From what i remember of hebrew school, part of it was from health reasons, and part of it was to keep jews from breaking bread with their neighbors, who did eat all the forbidden foods. I never got a good answer for not mixing flax and wool, or is it wool and linen?

It's wool and linen (flax) but this law and some other laws (like the red cow) are known as a Chok meaning we need to do it because God said so..... it is a test of faith.... I believe.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:21 pm

Menassa wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
From what i remember of hebrew school, part of it was from health reasons, and part of it was to keep jews from breaking bread with their neighbors, who did eat all the forbidden foods. I never got a good answer for not mixing flax and wool, or is it wool and linen?

It's wool and linen (flax) but this law and some other laws (like the red cow) are known as a Chok meaning we need to do it because God said so..... it is a test of faith.... I believe.


makes sense, then it is a test of faith i have failed. Now where is that drawn butter?
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

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Postby Menassa » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:22 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Menassa wrote:It's wool and linen (flax) but this law and some other laws (like the red cow) are known as a Chok meaning we need to do it because God said so..... it is a test of faith.... I believe.


makes sense, then it is a test of faith i have failed. Now where is that drawn butter?

It's never been much of a problem for me..... I haven't really found wool/linen clothing.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:32 pm

Menassa wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
makes sense, then it is a test of faith i have failed. Now where is that drawn butter?

It's never been much of a problem for me..... I haven't really found wool/linen clothing.


i do know some of the orthodox around here will not wear wool/polyester blends. Which would make 2 of my suits unkosher.
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

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Postby Menassa » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:57 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Menassa wrote:It's never been much of a problem for me..... I haven't really found wool/linen clothing.


i do know some of the orthodox around here will not wear wool/polyester blends. Which would make 2 of my suits unkosher.

Hmmm, I've never heard of such a custom, perhaps in Europe it was too hard/expensive to tell the difference in the poor towns so they just outlawed it..... and the tradition is still kept today.
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"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Shmana » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:57 am

Menassa wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
i do know some of the orthodox around here will not wear wool/polyester blends. Which would make 2 of my suits unkosher.

Hmmm, I've never heard of such a custom, perhaps in Europe it was too hard/expensive to tell the difference in the poor towns so they just outlawed it..... and the tradition is still kept today.


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Postby The Samuelopalian Empire » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:01 am

im a british reformed jew with an australian rabbi :3. RULE BRITANNIA! LONG LIVE ISREAL! (happy sukhott (if thats spealt right))
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:03 am

The Samuelopalian Empire wrote:im a british reformed jew with an australian rabbi :3. RULE BRITANNIA! LONG LIVE ISREAL! (happy sukhott (if thats spealt right))

and even if it is not spelled right, a healthy and happy Sukkoth to you too
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Postby Shmana » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:05 am

the name of the holiday is Sukkot
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Postby The Samuelopalian Empire » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:10 am

Ok
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Postby The God-Realm » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:10 am

Shmana wrote:the name of the holiday is Sukkot
סוכות
Simchat Torah - שמחת תורה

I like Hanukkah better.

I don't get presents because i'm a dirty goyim, but I still get potato pancakes.
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Esternial wrote:
The God-Realm wrote:No

people who qq over losing a gf over a small penis size are insecure and need to check themselves

Before they wreck themselves?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:43 am

The God-Realm wrote:
Shmana wrote:the name of the holiday is Sukkot
סוכות
Simchat Torah - שמחת תורה

I like Hanukkah better.

I don't get presents because i'm a dirty goyim, but I still get potato pancakes.


8 days of presents, not just one for christmas
Even eric cartman knows that.

Besides which holiday did jesus celebrate?
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Postby Partybus » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:56 pm

Ehem...

A pun for the brethren...

How does Moses make tea?

Hebrews it. :)

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Postby Menassa » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:58 pm

Shmana wrote:the name of the holiday is Sukkot
סוכות
Simchat Torah - שמחת תורה

Or if you use a askenazik pronunciation

Succos & Simchas Torah.

Partybus wrote:Ehem...

A pun for the brethren...

How does Moses make tea?

Hebrews it. :)


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Postby Shmana » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:01 pm

Jew kiddin me
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Postby Menassa » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:01 pm

The God-Realm wrote:
Shmana wrote:the name of the holiday is Sukkot
סוכות
Simchat Torah - שמחת תורה

I like Hanukkah better.

I don't get presents because i'm a dirty goyim, but I still get potato pancakes.

Since were correcting everyone's transliterations

Goyim, is plural (i.e.) There are many Goyim at my son's Bar Mitzvah.

Goy, is singular (i.e.) Have you read the recent Israeli thriller? It's called the 'Goy Who Rode into Mea Shearim'.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Menassa » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:02 pm

Shmana wrote:Jew kiddin me

He canaan tell a lie.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Menassa » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:34 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The God-Realm wrote:I like Hanukkah better.

I don't get presents because i'm a dirty goyim, but I still get potato pancakes.


8 days of presents, not just one for christmas
Even eric cartman knows that.

Besides which holiday did jesus celebrate?

Passover.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby The God-Realm » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:12 pm

Menassa wrote:
The God-Realm wrote:I like Hanukkah better.

I don't get presents because i'm a dirty goyim, but I still get potato pancakes.

Since were correcting everyone's transliterations

Goyim, is plural (i.e.) There are many Goyim at my son's Bar Mitzvah.

Goy, is singular (i.e.) Have you read the recent Israeli thriller? It's called the 'Goy Who Rode into Mea Shearim'.

Ah.

I heard it used as singular before though.
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The God-Realm wrote:No

people who qq over losing a gf over a small penis size are insecure and need to check themselves

Before they wreck themselves?

Or their ex' car.

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Postby Menassa » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:05 pm

The God-Realm wrote:
Menassa wrote:Since were correcting everyone's transliterations

Goyim, is plural (i.e.) There are many Goyim at my son's Bar Mitzvah.

Goy, is singular (i.e.) Have you read the recent Israeli thriller? It's called the 'Goy Who Rode into Mea Shearim'.

Ah.

I heard it used as singular before though.

Like: 'look at them Goys?'
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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