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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:57 am

Menassa wrote:
Evraim wrote:Yishmael, you mean? Well played. :p

While 'surfing the web' and yes, I am super hip, and no I don't sign autographs I found this:

http://www.aish.com/tp/i/sacks/On-Leadership-Women-as-Leaders.html?s=fb


funny you should mention that, my local jew paper ran an article on JOFA, a few weeks ago, and thought of posting it here for discussion.
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Evraim
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Postby Evraim » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:29 pm

Menassa wrote:While 'surfing the web' and yes, I am super hip, and no I don't sign autographs I found this:

http://www.aish.com/tp/i/sacks/On-Leadership-Women-as-Leaders.html?s=fb

I was waiting for Bitya for half the article. She and Miriam always stuck out to me in that story.

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:32 pm

Evraim wrote:
Menassa wrote:While 'surfing the web' and yes, I am super hip, and no I don't sign autographs I found this:

http://www.aish.com/tp/i/sacks/On-Leadership-Women-as-Leaders.html?s=fb

I was waiting for Bitya for half the article. She and Miriam always stuck out to me in that story.

The real heroes I believe are the women of Israel.
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Evraim
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Postby Evraim » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:52 pm

Menassa wrote:
Evraim wrote:I was waiting for Bitya for half the article. She and Miriam always stuck out to me in that story.

The real heroes I believe are the women of Israel.

Are you going to post Eshet Chayil again?

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Postby Menassa » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:54 pm

Evraim wrote:
Menassa wrote:The real heroes I believe are the women of Israel.

Are you going to post Eshet Chayil again?

Did I do that to begin with?
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"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby DogDoo 7 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:58 pm

Evraim wrote:
Menassa wrote:The real heroes I believe are the women of Israel.

Are you going to post Eshet Chayil again?

the 'soldier wife.'
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Evraim
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Postby Evraim » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:59 pm

Menassa wrote:Did I do that to begin with?

Somebody did. Perhaps it was another thread.

I'll do it this time. Also, I express solidarity with the Hungarian Jewish community.

DogDoo 7 wrote:the 'soldier wife.'
Hebrew is a weird language yo

Or 'woman of valor'.

Or 'woman of strength'.

A weird language indeed.
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Postby DogDoo 7 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:05 pm

Evraim wrote:
Menassa wrote:Did I do that to begin with?

Somebody did. Perhaps it was another thread.

I'll do it this time. Also, I express solidarity with the Hungarian Jewish community.

DogDoo 7 wrote:the 'soldier wife.'
Hebrew is a weird language yo

Or 'woman of valor'.

Or 'woman of strength'.

A weird language indeed.

'soldier' = 'strength' / 'valor'

and what's going on in Hungary? I heard there were political upheavals, are people cathartically releasing stress by beating up the Jews again?
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Postby Menassa » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:06 pm

DogDoo 7 wrote:
Evraim wrote:Are you going to post Eshet Chayil again?

the 'soldier wife.'
Hebrew is a weird language yo

It's Biblical Hebrew.

Evraim wrote:
Menassa wrote:Did I do that to begin with?

Somebody did. Perhaps it was another thread.

I'll do it this time. Also, I express solidarity with the Hungarian Jewish community.

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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Evraim
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Postby Evraim » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:17 pm

DogDoo 7 wrote:'soldier' = 'strength' / 'valor'


As I sad. Weird language. I love it, though.

DogDoo 7 wrote:and what's going on in Hungary? I heard there were political upheavals, are people cathartically releasing stress by beating up the Jews again?

This sort of nonsense. I'm at least somewhat happy that for most of the speech the crowd is about as enthusiastic as a closet atheist at a Catholic church. Unfortunately, most studies and media sources assert that Antisemitism is on the rise throughout Europe, and I'm inclined to believe that this resurgence in support for the extreme right is problematic. While I don't generally sympathize with militia or vigilante movements, I would support organizations like the one described in this source. The people should be able to defend themselves, especially if the police are unwilling to do the work.

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Postby DogDoo 7 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:22 pm

Evraim wrote:
DogDoo 7 wrote:'soldier' = 'strength' / 'valor'


As I sad. Weird language. I love it, though.

DogDoo 7 wrote:and what's going on in Hungary? I heard there were political upheavals, are people cathartically releasing stress by beating up the Jews again?

This sort of nonsense. I'm at least somewhat happy that for most of the speech the crowd is about as enthusiastic as a closet atheist at a Catholic church. Unfortunately, most studies and media sources assert that Antisemitism is on the rise throughout Europe, and I'm inclined to believe that this resurgence in support for the extreme right is problematic. While I don't generally sympathize with militia or vigilante movements, I would support organizations like the one described in this source. The people should be able to defend themselves, especially if the police are unwilling to do the work.

ah...yeah I heard about the Jobbiks. I'm not ready to worry about them quite yet (I mean, they obviously suck as human beings, but I don't think they are doing the hired goon thing quite yet). Although I do know that Hungary has been experiencing some political tumult and so I was wondering if people started pogroming again.
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Evraim
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Postby Evraim » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:29 pm

DogDoo 7 wrote:ah...yeah I heard about the Jobbiks. I'm not ready to worry about them quite yet (I mean, they obviously suck as human beings, but I don't think they are doing the hired goon thing quite yet). Although I do know that Hungary has been experiencing some political tumult and so I was wondering if people started pogroming again.

To my knowledge, pogroms haven't been a problem yet, and, hopefully, reason will reassert itself soon. There have been more isolated attacks on Jews and other minorities, and the sentiments appear especially strong in Eastern Europe, which seems to be making a bid for the title of the Nazi Hellhole of the Western World.

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Postby Iuronia » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:36 pm

Evraim wrote:
DogDoo 7 wrote:ah...yeah I heard about the Jobbiks. I'm not ready to worry about them quite yet (I mean, they obviously suck as human beings, but I don't think they are doing the hired goon thing quite yet). Although I do know that Hungary has been experiencing some political tumult and so I was wondering if people started pogroming again.

To my knowledge, pogroms haven't been a problem yet, and, hopefully, reason will reassert itself soon. There have been more isolated attacks on Jews and other minorities, and the sentiments appear especially strong in Eastern Europe, which seems to be making a bid for the title of the Nazi Hellhole of the Western World.

I thought Eastern Europe always was the hellhole of the western world.
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Postby DogDoo 7 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:40 pm

Iuronia wrote:
Evraim wrote:To my knowledge, pogroms haven't been a problem yet, and, hopefully, reason will reassert itself soon. There have been more isolated attacks on Jews and other minorities, and the sentiments appear especially strong in Eastern Europe, which seems to be making a bid for the title of the Nazi Hellhole of the Western World.

I thought Eastern Europe always was the hellhole of the western world.

that's because it's not really in the 'western world.' too many consonants, not enough vowels.
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Postby Evraim » Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:03 pm

Iuronia wrote:I thought Eastern Europe always was the hellhole of the western world.

Germany tried to steal the spot some years ago, and probably succeeded, at least for a few years. Venezuela also seems intent on making a name for itself as an Antisemitic hellhole, but I still think Eastern Europe as a whole outpaces the Venezuelans in terms of being an Antisemitic hellhole. After all, Venezuela hasn't really been eager to support its Neo-Nazi parties.

DogDoo 7 wrote:that's because it's not really in the 'western world.' too many consonants, not enough vowels.

They're all pinkos as far as good Americans are concerned.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:52 pm

Menassa wrote:
Evraim wrote:I was waiting for Bitya for half the article. She and Miriam always stuck out to me in that story.

The real heroes I believe are the women of Israel.

What?! Women were created to serve their men!

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Postby Vazdania » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:55 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Menassa wrote:The real heroes I believe are the women of Israel.

What?! Women were created to serve their men!

Serve? No. Aid? Yes.

As the man serves as the spiritual leader of his household it is only right that the woman aid the teaching of his children and maintain the household work he can't attend to as well as a cluster of other things that he would otherwise be unable to attend to. Truly the Woman was made to aid the man for he could not do it on his own.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:57 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:What?! Women were created to serve their men!

Serve? No. Aid? Yes.

As the man serves as the spiritual leader of his household it is only right that the woman aid the teaching of his children and maintain the household work he can't attend to as well as a cluster of other things that he would otherwise be unable to attend to. Truly the Woman was made to aid the man for he could not do it on his own.

I was kidding

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:00 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Serve? No. Aid? Yes.

As the man serves as the spiritual leader of his household it is only right that the woman aid the teaching of his children and maintain the household work he can't attend to as well as a cluster of other things that he would otherwise be unable to attend to. Truly the Woman was made to aid the man for he could not do it on his own.

I was kidding

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Postby Evraim » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:04 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:What?! Women were created to serve their men!

Enjoy the single life, my friend.

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Postby Leningrad Union » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:11 pm

Evraim wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:What?! Women were created to serve their men!

Enjoy the single life, my friend.

Tell that to my 12 wives

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Postby Vazdania » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:28 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Evraim wrote:Enjoy the single life, my friend.

Tell that to my 12 wives

You have 12 wives :shock: I am SO sorry. I can hardly deal with my lady best friends!!!
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Postby Evraim » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:54 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Evraim wrote:Enjoy the single life, my friend.

Tell that to my 12 wives

I'm assuming these are Gentile women. No man could survive twelve Jewish wives. Have you met my mother?

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Postby Menassa » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:54 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:What?! Women were created to serve their men!

Serve? No. Aid? Yes.

As the man serves as the spiritual leader of his household it is only right that the woman aid the teaching of his children and maintain the household work he can't attend to as well as a cluster of other things that he would otherwise be unable to attend to. Truly the Woman was made to aid the man for he could not do it on his own.

As I said to a good friend of mine, I can have as many children as I want, but if the women is not Jewish, none of them will be Jews.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:01 pm

Evraim wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Tell that to my 12 wives

I'm assuming these are Gentile women. No man could survive twelve Jewish wives. Have you met my mother?

Jewish women are the only women I can date lol

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