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Orthodox
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Modern Orthodox
36
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Conservative
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Reform
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Atheist
500
53%
Nonobservant
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Messianic
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:50 pm

Shimon-Zhivago wrote:
Gold state wrote:
Yeah, the name "Shimon" made you a little obvious.

Also, what is so important about Circumcision?


According to the bible, as a way to mark Jews from Gentiles, for cleanliness, for improved fertility (less foreskin to block sperm, or so I am told), and other such things. I personally don't agree with all of the reasoning, but that doesn't matter[...]

I don't think that's in the Bible...
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Shimon-Zhivago
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Postby Shimon-Zhivago » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:04 pm

Menassa wrote:
Gold state wrote:
I could be Jewish too...

You know nothing...

Here's a simple way to find out, is your mother Jewish?


Even simpler, do you believe in Judaism?
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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:16 pm

Shimon-Zhivago wrote:
Menassa wrote:Here's a simple way to find out, is your mother Jewish?


Even simpler, do you believe in Judaism?

Just because you believe in Judaism, doesn't make you Jewish. :eyebrow:
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:20 pm

Shimon-Zhivago wrote:
Menassa wrote:Here's a simple way to find out, is your mother Jewish?


Even simpler, do you believe in Judaism?

That's not that simple at all.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Haktiva
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Postby Haktiva » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:36 pm

I come seeking refuge from the Christmas season.
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Evraim
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Postby Evraim » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:43 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:http://forward.com/articles/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/?p=all


Race theory is controversial in the scientific community. I would argue that it is not, at its heart, a scientific theory. It has only recently begun to deal with genetics. Prior to that, racial identity was based on appearance or culture. Otherwise, we wouldn't ever talk about blacks as a single race.

Kingdom of Israel wrote:And since when black people are Jews? Are you talking about the Ethiopians? Since ethnically and genetically they aren't Jews.


Ethnically, they are Jewish. Their customs, language, and religion all mark them as members of the ethnic group. Genetically, the issue is more murky. Some have argued that they are the descendants of the Jewish men and converted women who intermarried with converts from among the non-Jewish Ethiopian population. If this is true, they would be Jewish in every respect.

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:46 pm

Haktiva wrote:I come seeking refuge from the Christmas season.

COME THEN! WE MUST FEAST AT THE CHINESE RESTAURANTS!!! :clap:
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Haktiva
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Postby Haktiva » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:47 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Haktiva wrote:I come seeking refuge from the Christmas season.

COME THEN! WE MUST FEAST AT THE CHINESE RESTAURANTS!!! :clap:

that sounds nice right now.
All around disagreeable person.

"Personal freedom is a double edged sword though. On the one end, it grants more power to the individual. However, the vast majority of individuals are fuckin idiots, and if certain restraints are not metered down by more responsible members of society, the society quickly degrades into a hedonistic and psychotic cluster fuck."

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Evraim
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Postby Evraim » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:47 pm

Menassa wrote:
Gold state wrote:
I could be Jewish too...

You know nothing...

Here's a simple way to find out, is your mother Jewish?

Is your father a Karaite? :p

Haktiva wrote:I come seeking refuge from the Christmas season.

Kwanzaa is coming.
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:48 pm

Evraim wrote:
Menassa wrote:Here's a simple way to find out, is your mother Jewish?

Is your father a Karaite? :p

No...
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This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Evraim
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Postby Evraim » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:50 pm

Menassa wrote:
Evraim wrote:Is your father a Karaite? :p

No...

Tell me, Yankel, how was your relationship with your father? When did you become cognizant of your castration anxiety and your oedipal complex?

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Leningrad Union
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Postby Leningrad Union » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:54 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Haktiva wrote:I come seeking refuge from the Christmas season.

COME THEN! WE MUST FEAST AT THE CHINESE RESTAURANTS!!! :clap:

I love Chinese food but I'm feeling nauseous. ugh

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Shimon-Zhivago
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Postby Shimon-Zhivago » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:55 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Vazdania wrote:COME THEN! WE MUST FEAST AT THE CHINESE RESTAURANTS!!! :clap:

I love Chinese food but I'm feeling nauseous. ugh


Aw, Christmas isn't that bad...
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:55 pm

Evraim wrote:
Menassa wrote:No...

Tell me, Yankel, how was your relationship with your father?

I thought you were going on a positive direction with this.

Evraim wrote: When did you become cognizant of your castration anxiety and your oedipal complex?

Then this happened.
Radical Monotheist
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Leningrad Union
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Postby Leningrad Union » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:58 pm

Menassa wrote:
Gold state wrote:
I could be Jewish too...

You know nothing...

Here's a simple way to find out, is your mother Jewish?

I consider people who's mother was not Jewish but their father was Jews. But only if they were raised Jewish or become Jewish religiously or culturally.

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:03 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Menassa wrote:Here's a simple way to find out, is your mother Jewish?

I consider people who's mother was not Jewish but their father was Jews. But only if they were raised Jewish or become Jewish religiously or culturally.

We don't.
Radical Monotheist
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Evraim
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Postby Evraim » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:07 pm

Menassa wrote:
Evraim wrote:Tell me, Yankel, how was your relationship with your father?

I thought you were going on a positive direction with this.


Psychoanalysis is always a positive direction.

Menassa wrote:
Evraim wrote: When did you become cognizant of your castration anxiety and your oedipal complex?

Then this happened.


Well, I am Sigmund Freud reborn. What were you expecting? You remember my discussion of Judaism and sexual mores, yes?

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:09 pm

Evraim wrote:
Menassa wrote:Then this happened.


Well, I am Sigmund Freud reborn. What were you expecting? You remember my discussion of Judaism and sexual mores, yes?

....

A woman?!

:blink:
Radical Monotheist
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Leningrad Union
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Postby Leningrad Union » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:12 pm

Menassa wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:I consider people who's mother was not Jewish but their father was Jews. But only if they were raised Jewish or become Jewish religiously or culturally.

We don't.

There is a Conservative Rabbi I know that agrees with me.

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Maryginia
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Postby Maryginia » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:13 pm

Menassa wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:I consider people who's mother was not Jewish but their father was Jews. But only if they were raised Jewish or become Jewish religiously or culturally.

We don't.

Karaites do.
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:13 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Menassa wrote:We don't.

There is a Conservative Rabbi I know that agrees with me.

Good for the both of you.
Radical Monotheist
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:14 pm

Maryginia wrote:
Menassa wrote:We don't.

Karaites do.

Karaites as well don't believe in the Oral Torah.
Radical Monotheist
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Leningrad Union
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Postby Leningrad Union » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:15 pm

Menassa wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:There is a Conservative Rabbi I know that agrees with me.

Good for the both of you.

But from an ethnic standpoint they are still Jews.

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:16 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Menassa wrote:Good for the both of you.

But from an ethnic standpoint they are still Jews.

Not according to us.
Radical Monotheist
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Leningrad Union
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Postby Leningrad Union » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:27 pm

Menassa wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:But from an ethnic standpoint they are still Jews.

Not according to us.

I'm talking genetics, not religion

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