Jewish Discussion Thread

[Shimon-Zhivago]

When I hear about all of this "conversion" tied to race, it makes the Jewish leadership seem awful petty. But that's just me.

Just so we're clear, although I disagree with what is apparently (according to what I am told here) certain aspects of mainstream Jewish dogma, I am very proud to be a Jew and I don't plan on renouncing my faith anytime soon.

[Gold state]

When I hear about all of this "conversion" tied to race, it makes the Jewish leadership seem awful petty. But that's just me.

Just so we're clear, although I disagree with what is apparently (according to what I am told here) certain aspects of mainstream Jewish dogma, I am very proud to be a Jew and I don't plan on renouncing my faith anytime soon.

Yeah, the name "Shimon" made you a little obvious.

Also, what is so important about Circumcision?

[Shimon-Zhivago]

When I hear about all of this "conversion" tied to race, it makes the Jewish leadership seem awful petty. But that's just me.

Just so we're clear, although I disagree with what is apparently (according to what I am told here) certain aspects of mainstream Jewish dogma, I am very proud to be a Jew and I don't plan on renouncing my faith anytime soon.

Yeah, the name "Shimon" made you a little obvious.

Also, what is so important about Circumcision?

According to the bible, as a way to mark Jews from Gentiles, for cleanliness, for improved fertility (less foreskin to block sperm, or so I am told), and other such things. I personally don't agree with all of the reasoning, but that doesn't matter

Although I haven't read on the matter too much, so perhaps someone more read could explain it.

Also, I had established earlier that I was Jewish, so I'm not sure about the relevance of your comment on my nation name...

[Ethel mermania]

When I hear about all of this "conversion" tied to race, it makes the Jewish leadership seem awful petty. But that's just me.

Just so we're clear, although I disagree with what is apparently (according to what I am told here) certain aspects of mainstream Jewish dogma, I am very proud to be a Jew and I don't plan on renouncing my faith anytime soon.

what makes you proud to be a jew?

[Shimon-Zhivago]

When I hear about all of this "conversion" tied to race, it makes the Jewish leadership seem awful petty. But that's just me.

Just so we're clear, although I disagree with what is apparently (according to what I am told here) certain aspects of mainstream Jewish dogma, I am very proud to be a Jew and I don't plan on renouncing my faith anytime soon.

what makes you proud to be a jew?

I generally enjoy the culture and the people; plus I love studying the bible (I don't agree with all of it...but then again, who does?), and the history of the Jews.

Although, to be fair, I'm only about as "proud" to be Jewish as I am "proud" to be Scottish or German or Italian or Ukrainian. In many ways it's just who I am, and it's as simple as that. But I think people in general should have some pride in where they come from and who they are. Obviously it can be more complicated then that, but that's the simple answer.

[Iuronia]

But I think people in general should have some pride in where they come from and who they are. Obviously it can be more complicated then that, but that's the simple answer.

Why?

[Shimon-Zhivago]

But I think people in general should have some pride in where they come from and who they are. Obviously it can be more complicated then that, but that's the simple answer.

Why?

Having pride in who you are boosts self-confidence and mental health. Obviously, too much of it leads to things like super-Nationalism and Racism, but having a bit of pride in who you are is a good thing to have. Basic psychological logic.

Now I hear from the contrarians...

[Gold state]

I want to learn Modern Hebrew, which is associated with Judaism; just kindly leave shrimp out of it.

[Leningrad Union]

I want to learn Modern Hebrew, which is associated with Judaism; just kindly leave shrimp out of it.

Are you moving to Israel or something?

[Kingdom of Israel]

I want to learn Modern Hebrew, which is associated with Judaism; just kindly leave shrimp out of it.

Are you moving to Israel or something?

Not that he can...
But I think he is just interested, like that time I learned Yiddish...

[Leningrad Union]

Are you moving to Israel or something?

Not that he can...
But I think he is just interested, like that time I learned Yiddish...

What languages can you speak? I obviously can speak English. I used to be fluent in Swedish and Spanish but I forgot most. I am now learning both French and Hebrew. Re-learning Swedish is next. After that Brazilian Portuguese and Russian.

[Iuronia]

Why?

Having pride in who you are boosts self-confidence and mental health. Obviously, too much of it leads to things like super-Nationalism and Racism, but having a bit of pride in who you are is a good thing to have. Basic psychological logic.

Now I hear from the contrarians...

I suppose that it's each to his own. Personally, I find the very idea of having pride in that which is not yours vile, but whatever.

[Shimon-Zhivago]

Having pride in who you are boosts self-confidence and mental health. Obviously, too much of it leads to things like super-Nationalism and Racism, but having a bit of pride in who you are is a good thing to have. Basic psychological logic.

Now I hear from the contrarians...

I suppose that it's each to his own. Personally, I find the very idea of having pride in that which is not yours vile, but whatever.

Who said anything about having pride in that which is not yours? Where is this coming from? I was talking about pride in who you are. That is that which is indeed one's own.

[Iuronia]

I suppose that it's each to his own. Personally, I find the very idea of having pride in that which is not yours vile, but whatever.

Who said anything about having pride in that which is not yours? Where is this coming from? I was talking about pride in who you are. That is that which is indeed one's own.

That doesn't make sense, though. If you're proud of your Jewdom, then obviously it's because of the actions and whatnot of those who are and/or were a part of it. Essentially, it's this: they've done something, you're proud of that something because you belong to the same group.

[Shimon-Zhivago]

Who said anything about having pride in that which is not yours? Where is this coming from? I was talking about pride in who you are. That is that which is indeed one's own.

That doesn't make sense, though. If you're proud of your Jewdom, then obviously it's because of the actions and whatnot of those who are and/or were a part of it. Essentially, it's this: they've done something, you're proud of that something because you belong to the same group.

Well if you interpret culture in that way, then I can't argue with you. I for one don't agree with that interpretation of culture, I find it annoyingly contrarian and illogically cynical, although I do see why you would think that and therefore can respect your opinion.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be proud of something that you are a part of. Obviously it is not as strong or as justified as pride in something you have directly committed yourself; in that sense, I guess I agree with you. Although i think the pride you describe is far from being vile, but now I'm just running in circles, making the same point over and over in a probably annoying fashion.

[Ethel mermania]

what makes you proud to be a jew?

I generally enjoy the culture and the people; plus I love studying the bible (I don't agree with all of it...but then again, who does?), and the history of the Jews.

Although, to be fair, I'm only about as "proud" to be Jewish as I am "proud" to be Scottish or German or Italian or Ukrainian. In many ways it's just who I am, and it's as simple as that. But I think people in general should have some pride in where they come from and who they are. Obviously it can be more complicated then that, but that's the simple answer.

fair enough, i like the honesty of it, a shekel is a shelel, an omar is an omar. your deeds in this life count, just believing is not enough to "save" you, you must do, and your actions must be just, which makes them holy.

[Iuronia]

That doesn't make sense, though. If you're proud of your Jewdom, then obviously it's because of the actions and whatnot of those who are and/or were a part of it. Essentially, it's this: they've done something, you're proud of that something because you belong to the same group.

Well if you interpret culture in that way, then I can't argue with you. I for one don't agree with that interpretation of culture, I find it annoyingly contrarian and illogically cynical, although I do see why you would think that and therefore can respect your opinion.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be proud of something that you are a part of. Obviously it is not as strong or as justified as pride in something you have directly committed yourself; in that sense, I guess I agree with you. Although i think the pride you describe is far from being vile, but now I'm just running in circles, making the same point over and over in a probably annoying fashion.

Well, in hindsight, "vile" seems to be a poor choice of words. I am quite wont to excessiveness. I guess it'd fit chauvinistic nationalism more than just regular one. I just find it to be in poor taste, I guess.

[Shimon-Zhivago]

Well if you interpret culture in that way, then I can't argue with you. I for one don't agree with that interpretation of culture, I find it annoyingly contrarian and illogically cynical, although I do see why you would think that and therefore can respect your opinion.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be proud of something that you are a part of. Obviously it is not as strong or as justified as pride in something you have directly committed yourself; in that sense, I guess I agree with you. Although i think the pride you describe is far from being vile, but now I'm just running in circles, making the same point over and over in a probably annoying fashion.

Well, in hindsight, "vile" seems to be a poor choice of words. I am quite wont to excessiveness. I guess it'd fit chauvinistic nationalism more than just regular one. I just find it to be in poor taste, I guess.

That's entirely reasonable, I see where you're coming from, although I am wont to disagree. At this point it's just opinion, and yours makes plenty sense.

[Estado Paulista]

Do you guys look Jewish?

No.

[Gold state]

Are you moving to Israel or something?

Not that he can...
But I think he is just interested, like that time I learned Yiddish...

I can move to Israel if i want.

I don't know why, if I disagree with what Israel does, i get "Antisemite" thrown at me.

[Leningrad Union]

Do you guys look Jewish?

No.

You're Jewish?!

[Gold state]

No.

You're Jewish?!

I could be Jewish too...

You know nothing...

[Leningrad Union]

You're Jewish?!

I could be Jewish too...

You know nothing...

You aren't a Jew.

I can tell by when you told me that because I'm Jewish I support everything that Israel does. By the way, that isn't true.

[Gold state]

I could be Jewish too...

You know nothing...

You aren't a Jew.

I can tell by when you told me that because I'm Jewish I support everything that Israel does. By the way, that isn't true.

I put these "..." To mean i was not serious.

[Menassa]

You're Jewish?!

I could be Jewish too...

You know nothing...

Here's a simple way to find out, is your mother Jewish?