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Postby Evraim » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:07 pm

Menassa wrote:With some nice pork chops and shrimp cocktails.

I dislike both pork and shrimp, but, technically, yes, those are probably at the parties. :oops:

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:08 pm

Evraim wrote:
Menassa wrote:With some nice pork chops and shrimp cocktails.

I dislike both pork and shrimp, but, technically, yes, those are probably at the parties. :oops:


What? How can you not like pork and shrimp? :shock:
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Postby Evraim » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:12 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:What? How can you not like pork and shrimp? :shock:

They taste weird to me. Genetic defenses. :p
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Postby Menassa » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:26 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Evraim wrote:I dislike both pork and shrimp, but, technically, yes, those are probably at the parties. :oops:


What? How can you not like pork and shrimp? :shock:

I've said many a time that shrimp and other foods like it look like water-bugs.... like cockroaches.... it's mainly the exoskeleton.... and I would be lying if I said I've never had the Taivuh desire... for pork.... however I've never eaten any pork.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
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Postby Menassa » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:27 pm

Evraim wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:What? How can you not like pork and shrimp? :shock:

They taste weird to me. Genetic defenses. :p

That's your good inclination messing with your taste buds.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Evraim » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:34 pm

Menassa wrote:That's your good inclination messing with your taste buds.

G-d's a clever devil, no? :p

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:46 pm

Menassa wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
What? How can you not like pork and shrimp? :shock:

I've said many a time that shrimp and other foods like it look like water-bugs.... like cockroaches.... it's mainly the exoskeleton.... and I would be lying if I said I've never had the Taivuh desire... for pork.... however I've never eaten any pork.


Yeah, shrimp do look a little weird. When I was in China, I didn't really appreciate getting whole shrimp and having to take the heads and tails off at the dinner table. But I like the taste if they are batter-fried.

I can see how if you've never eaten that stuff you could just get used to it. I don't eat tomato products because they make me sick, and a lot of people say, "Oh, man, how can you live without ketchup, pizza, spaghetti, etc.?" but it's not really a big deal to me because I've always done it. I'd have a hard time if I ever had to give up ham, though.
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Postby Menassa » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:46 pm

Evraim wrote:
Menassa wrote:That's your good inclination messing with your taste buds.

G-d's a clever devil, no? :p

I'd like to believe it's the Good inclination and the Evil inclination.... God keeps out of free will.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Galborg » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:52 pm

Bacon and pork crackling are delicious in and of themselves. Pork is fine with apple sauce and gravy, Ham is fine with mustard. Shrimp is fine with marseillaisse.

IIRC Israeli, Egyptian and Syrian pigs were unhealthy and the rule made sense in context.

But the Jews were punished for their sins and dispersed throughout the Nations of the Earth - Goyim ha-Aretz. God never thought it through. He sent Jews to countries where pigs were healthy and never thought to put in a sub-clause to say it's OK to eat healthy pigs. Was that extra punishment?

Rabbi and Roman priest:
ROMAN: Have you ever eaten pork?
RABBI: Yes, once, to see what all the fuss was all about. Have you ever had sex with a woman?
ROMAN: Yes, once, to see what all the fuss was all about.
RABBI: Better than pork, ain't it?
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Postby Menassa » Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:03 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Menassa wrote:I've said many a time that shrimp and other foods like it look like water-bugs.... like cockroaches.... it's mainly the exoskeleton.... and I would be lying if I said I've never had the Taivuh desire... for pork.... however I've never eaten any pork.


Yeah, shrimp do look a little weird. When I was in China, I didn't really appreciate getting whole shrimp and having to take the heads and tails off at the dinner table. But I like the taste if they are batter-fried.

I can see how if you've never eaten that stuff you could just get used to it. I don't eat tomato products because they make me sick, and a lot of people say, "Oh, man, how can you live without ketchup, pizza, spaghetti, etc.?" but it's not really a big deal to me because I've always done it. I'd have a hard time if I ever had to give up ham, though.

Unfortunately when I get up to heaven I won't be as rewarded for not eating Shrimp because it was never really a challenge for me.... but pork on the other hand.... there better be something good for that. :p
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:10 pm

Menassa wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Yeah, shrimp do look a little weird. When I was in China, I didn't really appreciate getting whole shrimp and having to take the heads and tails off at the dinner table. But I like the taste if they are batter-fried.

I can see how if you've never eaten that stuff you could just get used to it. I don't eat tomato products because they make me sick, and a lot of people say, "Oh, man, how can you live without ketchup, pizza, spaghetti, etc.?" but it's not really a big deal to me because I've always done it. I'd have a hard time if I ever had to give up ham, though.

Unfortunately when I get up to heaven I won't be as rewarded for not eating Shrimp because it was never really a challenge for me.... but pork on the other hand.... there better be something good for that. :p


I know what you mean. Pork looks and smells more appetizing when people around you are having it.
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Postby Menassa » Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:14 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Menassa wrote:Unfortunately when I get up to heaven I won't be as rewarded for not eating Shrimp because it was never really a challenge for me.... but pork on the other hand.... there better be something good for that. :p


I know what you mean. Pork looks and smells more appetizing when people around you are having it.

Oh well I'm just the king of peer pressure then :p

I suppose in all honesty, I wouldn't go down for eating pork because 'everyone else was doing it'
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:44 pm

Menassa wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
What? How can you not like pork and shrimp? :shock:

I've said many a time that shrimp and other foods like it look like water-bugs.... like cockroaches.... it's mainly the exoskeleton.... and I would be lying if I said I've never had the Taivuh desire... for pork.... however I've never eaten any pork.


s'ok, more for me, though pork chops are not really cocktail party food.
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Postby Ruridova » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:07 pm

Methinks you have a bit of a troll problem right now.
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Postby Menassa » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:08 pm

Ruridova wrote:Methinks you have a bit of a troll problem right now on TET.

Methinks it got taken care of and if you don't have anything to say here then please do not.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Menassa » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:35 pm

What do my fellow Hebrews think of To B'shvat the day of trees?

Do you think this holiday is more for children?

Do you follow like Shammai and celebrate it on the first of shvat rather than the 15th?

I think it's a little odd holiday.... but I have not really done enough research to make a real claim.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Divair » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:36 pm

Menassa wrote:What do my fellow Hebrews think of To B'shvat the day of trees?

Do you think this holiday is more for children?

Do you follow like Shammai and celebrate it on the first of shvat rather than the 15th?

I think it's a little odd holiday.... but I have not really done enough research to make a real claim.

I think it's a holiday that's more relevant now than ever for everyone, and I mean everyone. It's a celebration that benefits the environment (!!!), and thus us.

It's awesome.

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Postby Dilange » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:37 pm

Divair wrote:
Menassa wrote:What do my fellow Hebrews think of To B'shvat the day of trees?

Do you think this holiday is more for children?

Do you follow like Shammai and celebrate it on the first of shvat rather than the 15th?

I think it's a little odd holiday.... but I have not really done enough research to make a real claim.

I think it's a holiday that's more relevant now than ever for everyone, and I mean everyone. It's a celebration that benefits the environment (!!!), and thus us.

It's awesome.


Fuck the environment, just praise Judaism's awesomeness.

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Postby Menassa » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:38 pm

Divair wrote:
Menassa wrote:What do my fellow Hebrews think of To B'shvat the day of trees?

Do you think this holiday is more for children?

Do you follow like Shammai and celebrate it on the first of shvat rather than the 15th?

I think it's a little odd holiday.... but I have not really done enough research to make a real claim.

I think it's a holiday that's more relevant now than ever for everyone, and I mean everyone. It's a celebration that benefits the environment (!!!), and thus us.

It's awesome.

I could see how a person who is eco-friendly would see it as an environmental holiday... being in the house of learning all I plan to do on that day is maybe eat some more fruits than I usually would... surely I do not believe it should hinder the studying of the Torah.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:41 pm

Menassa wrote:
Divair wrote:I think it's a holiday that's more relevant now than ever for everyone, and I mean everyone. It's a celebration that benefits the environment (!!!), and thus us.

It's awesome.

I could see how a person who is eco-friendly would see it as an environmental holiday... being in the house of learning all I plan to do on that day is maybe eat some more fruits than I usually would... surely I do not believe it should hinder the studying of the Torah.


the oldest boy's hebrew school promotes it as such, so does the local Jew paper, as well as "tikkun olam".
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 



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Postby Menassa » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:43 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Menassa wrote:I could see how a person who is eco-friendly would see it as an environmental holiday... being in the house of learning all I plan to do on that day is maybe eat some more fruits than I usually would... surely I do not believe it should hinder the studying of the Torah.


the oldest boy's hebrew school promotes it as such, so does the local Jew paper, as well as "tikkun olam".

:rofl:
They and is have a very different view of Tikkun Olam.... modernly it has been painted as giving back to the community.... like planting trees and going to old-folks-homes.... while we do that a lot... that's not one of our main priorities and is actually a very large debate.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:47 pm

Menassa wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
the oldest boy's hebrew school promotes it as such, so does the local Jew paper, as well as "tikkun olam".

:rofl:
They and is have a very different view of Tikkun Olam.... modernly it has been painted as giving back to the community.... like planting trees and going to old-folks-homes.... while we do that a lot... that's not one of our main priorities and is actually a very large debate.


surprisingly, on this one, i am on your side, the politicization of judiasm that this entails, i think is bad.
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 



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Postby The Parthians » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:49 pm

The Confederate States of Christ wrote:...



No Holocaust happened. That's why the Polish Census of 1931 shows 2.8m Jews.

Meanwhile the Polish Census of 1950 shows 50,000.
"And as you approach Parthia's prisons..."What's that buzzing noise, a factory?"
"No, that's all the carrion flies near the prison."
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Postby Menassa » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:49 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Menassa wrote: :rofl:
They and is have a very different view of Tikkun Olam.... modernly it has been painted as giving back to the community.... like planting trees and going to old-folks-homes.... while we do that a lot... that's not one of our main priorities and is actually a very large debate.


surprisingly, on this one, i am on your side, the politicization of judiasm that this entails, i think is bad.

Very bad....
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Divair » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:50 pm

The Parthians wrote:
The Confederate States of Christ wrote:...



No Holocaust happened. That's why the Polish Census of 1931 shows 2.8m Jews.

Meanwhile the Polish Census of 1950 shows 50,000.

To be fair, most of the Jews in Poland after the Holocaust went to Israel.

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