Jewish Discussion Thread

[Menassa]

Do you happen to have a view on the fusion of the messianic and zionist schools into their current form by the way?
I'd be interested in both a political and a scriptural view.

Zionism? It's the in-gathering of the exiles.

Messianism? Is that like the future messiah or Jesus?

Because I'm sure you know I dislike that Messianism.

[Evraim]

Quite the contrary old bean!

Everyone needs a break once in a while... and your for father's name is Issac!

That's true. Poor Sarah. She must have been quite confounded by such a peculiar joke.

[Menassa]

Quite the contrary old bean!

Everyone needs a break once in a while... and your for father's name is Issac!

That's true. Poor Sarah. She must have been quite confounded by such a peculiar joke.

Poor Sarah when God came at her:

"Woman? Are you laughing at ME?! ME?!"

I imagined that in invader zim's voice.

[Ostroeuropa]

Do you happen to have a view on the fusion of the messianic and zionist schools into their current form by the way?
I'd be interested in both a political and a scriptural view.

Zionism? It's the in-gathering of the exiles.

Messianism? Is that like the future messiah or Jesus?

Because I'm sure you know I dislike that Messianism.

The future messiah, and I gather, the belief that we can forcibly speed up his return by doing certain things. Like getting all the jews to move to israel, sacrificing a particular breed of cow, etc.

And for an opinion, I meant, do you think scripture backs it, or does it not, and based on which passages if you have the time to indulge me, but if you don't want to do that part thats ok.
I'm curious as to whether it could be a bastardization of the texts resulting from not understanding them, a literalist interperatation, or just following it as it is meant to be interperated.

[Menassa]

Zionism? It's the in-gathering of the exiles.

Messianism? Is that like the future messiah or Jesus?

Because I'm sure you know I dislike that Messianism.

The future messiah, and I gather, the belief that we can forcibly speed up his return by doing certain things. Like getting all the jews to move to israel, sacrificing a particular breed of cow, etc.

I don't believe getting all the Jews to Israel speeds up the Messiah.... he's supposed to do that.

The cow thing is a precursor to the Messiah... like how will we know Messianic times are upon us? We see a Parah Adomah a red cow which is the only way to become pure from being Tamai Mais impure from being near a dead body.

[Xiatao]

what is this yur talkin bout?

[Ostroeuropa]

The future messiah, and I gather, the belief that we can forcibly speed up his return by doing certain things. Like getting all the jews to move to israel, sacrificing a particular breed of cow, etc.

I don't believe getting all the Jews to Israel speeds up the Messiah.... he's supposed to do that.

The cow thing is a precursor to the Messiah... like how will we know Messianic times are upon us? We see a Parah Adomah a red cow which is the only way to become pure from being Tamai Mais impure from being near a dead body.

They are attempting to breed a red cow is my point. I think you can see why to an atheist thats humorous, i just wondered if it would..."count"

[Menassa]

I don't believe getting all the Jews to Israel speeds up the Messiah.... he's supposed to do that.

The cow thing is a precursor to the Messiah... like how will we know Messianic times are upon us? We see a Parah Adomah a red cow which is the only way to become pure from being Tamai Mais impure from being near a dead body.

They are attempting to breed a red cow is my point. I think you can see why to an atheist thats humorous, i just wondered if it would..."count"

I wonder if that's Halachically appropriate.... but let's just assume for now that the large guy upstairs is preventing them.

[Evraim]

I don't believe getting all the Jews to Israel speeds up the Messiah.... he's supposed to do that.

The cow thing is a precursor to the Messiah... like how will we know Messianic times are upon us? We see a Parah Adomah a red cow which is the only way to become pure from being Tamai Mais impure from being near a dead body.

I'm not sure about what she (or he) is asking. However, this page presents a relatively decent introduction to the issue of the legitimacy of Zionism from an Orthodox perspective.

:meh: what is this yur talkin bout?

Jewish stuff.

[The Godly Nations]

Where does the Chassids fit into the poll?

[Menassa]

Where does the Chassids fit into the poll?

Orthodox

Are you a Chassid?

From Gerr or Slabodka?

[Evraim]

Where does the Chassids fit into the poll?

Orthodox.

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't believe getting all the Jews to Israel speeds up the Messiah.... he's supposed to do that.

The cow thing is a precursor to the Messiah... like how will we know Messianic times are upon us? We see a Parah Adomah a red cow which is the only way to become pure from being Tamai Mais impure from being near a dead body.

I'm not sure about what she (or he) is asking. However, this page presents a relatively decent introduction to the issue of the legitimacy of Zionism from an Orthodox perspective.

:meh: what is this yur talkin bout?

Jewish stuff.

Debated then. Thanks.
Just wondered if it was a heresy or actually mandated. Seems like there isn't a way to tell for sure.

[Potlimitomaha]

isnt Israel part of the jewishness?

Yes.

Actually now since the real Jews dont exist anymore just like the Romans or Ancient Greeks.

What do you mean when you say that the real Jews don't exist anymore? Are we fake Jews?

Ever been to the anti-semitic section of Youtube?

[Evraim]

Debated then. Thanks.
Just wondered if it was a heresy or actually mandated. Seems like there isn't a way to tell for sure.

That's how most religion is, no?

Ever been to the anti-semitic section of Youtube?

Yes. I'm not certain whether I ought to be amused, afraid, or sad when confronted by some of the foolish things people say.

[The Godly Nations]

Where does the Chassids fit into the poll?

Orthodox

Are you a Chassid?

From Gerr or Slabodka?

Well, speaking as a pedant, aren't Orthodox Jews and Chassidic Jews different groups?

[Menassa]

Orthodox

Are you a Chassid?

From Gerr or Slabodka?

Well, speaking as a pedant, aren't Orthodox Jews and Chassidic Jews different groups?

We still believe in the same God.... we Still kindle the flames on the Sabbath..... we say the same Shemonah Esrai in the Temple.

[Ostroeuropa]

Debated then. Thanks.
Just wondered if it was a heresy or actually mandated. Seems like there isn't a way to tell for sure.

That's how most religion is, no?

Normally if it's a heresy it's pretty obvious.
Like the catholics simply refusing to acknowledge that they are orthodox christian heretics by conspicuously editing parts of the dogma to justify it after the fact.
The protestants is more difficult, but the anglicans are very obviously heretics in that they again, alter the document to justify their new perspective, then pretend it was always that way. Just like the catholics.

An example among the shintoists would be the imperial cult.

Basically, you can tell if they add or remove bits of the scriptures then pretend they always/never existed. If its just INTERPERATING, it's difficult to tell which is genuine, but the former is blatant.

[Evraim]

We still believe in the same God.... we Still kindle the flames on the Sabbath..... we say the same Shemonah Esrai in the Temple.

Unlike me.

[Potlimitomaha]

Orthodox

Are you a Chassid?

From Gerr or Slabodka?

Well, speaking as a pedant, aren't Orthodox Jews and Chassidic Jews different groups?

Officially but they are so few in nnumber it wouldn't make much sense separating the 2

[The Godly Nations]

Well, speaking as a pedant, aren't Orthodox Jews and Chassidic Jews different groups?

Officially but they are so few in nnumber it wouldn't make much sense separating the 2

Yes, but they breed rather quickly.

[Menassa]

Well, speaking as a pedant, aren't Orthodox Jews and Chassidic Jews different groups?

Officially but they are so few in nnumber it wouldn't make much sense separating the 2

And I doubt HIGHLY that any of them are on NS.

[Potlimitomaha]

Officially but they are so few in nnumber it wouldn't make much sense separating the 2

Yes, but they breed rather quickly.

In NS. Not RL.

[Evraim]

Normally if it's a heresy it's pretty obvious.

I find it quite a difficult matter to determine who is and who is not a heretic.

Like the catholics simply refusing to acknowledge that they are orthodox christian heretics by conspicuously editing parts of the dogma to justify it after the fact.

How might Catholics be considered Orthodox Christian heretics? I thought they parted on account of political disagreements more than anything. I'm genuinely interested in hearing your perspective on this issue, though it might be preferable if you tell me via telegram.

The protestants is more difficult, but the anglicans are very obviously heretics in that they again, alter the document to justify their new perspective, then pretend it was always that way. Just like the catholics.

If altering a document makes one a heretic, aren't most religions forms of heresy?

An example among the shintoists would be the imperial cult.

Basically, you can tell if they add or remove bits of the scriptures then pretend they always/never existed. If its just INTERPERATING, it's difficult to tell which is genuine, but the former is blatant.

I see.

[Menassa]

Normally if it's a heresy it's pretty obvious.

I find it quite a difficult matter to determine who is and who is not a heretic.

Like the catholics simply refusing to acknowledge that they are orthodox christian heretics by conspicuously editing parts of the dogma to justify it after the fact.

How might Catholics be considered Orthodox Christian heretics? I thought they parted on account of political disagreements more than anything. I'm genuinely interested in hearing your perspective on this issue, though it might be preferable if you tell me via telegram.

The protestants is more difficult, but the anglicans are very obviously heretics in that they again, alter the document to justify their new perspective, then pretend it was always that way. Just like the catholics.

If altering a document makes one a heretic, aren't most religions forms of heresy?

An example among the shintoists would be the imperial cult.

Basically, you can tell if they add or remove bits of the scriptures then pretend they always/never existed. If its just INTERPERATING, it's difficult to tell which is genuine, but the former is blatant.

I see.

Also it may be a bit of a Dochek a stretch but there is some Halachic commandment against cross breeding.