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Postby Vazdania » Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:18 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Why you disagree with me? :(


i dont believe the mishnah is divine law, but the wrigings of man, and i find the gtalmud contadicts the torah often. also there are two talmuds, different sects give different proirity to each one.

The Talmud Bavli has jurisdiction over everywhere but Israel and the Talmud Yerushalami has jurisdiction within Israel. Problem solved. Where and how does the Talmud contradict the Torah? :eyebrow:
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:23 pm

The Legion of War wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Oral law and Written Law were given to Moses at Mount Sinai. Written Law is Torah, Oral Law was kept Oral until it was eventually codified. Oral Law is a expansion upon, and explanation of Written Law.

Written law is awesome :) But unless you have oral law, it hardly makes sense.

So... God said some things and Moses wrote some of it down? And whatever he didn't write down, he passed down orally?

I r confused for real.

Moses was given the first 5 books of the Torah at Mount Sinai (The Written Law), Moses was given an explanation of the first 5 books at Mount Sinai, as well (The Oral Law). The Oral law was eventually codified (written down) so as to preserve it from being lost.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:57 pm

The Legion of War wrote:Sweet. Now if only I had Jewish friends...

Note: I don't mean to say I want a Jewish friend solely to go Passover. However, it's a situation I'd like to change, mostly to have someone to talk about the Old Testament/Torah with.

The Old Testament, to me, seems like the really dark side of the Christian God. Maybe there's something I'm missing?

Do you like flirting with us or something :P.

It really is only dark if the human element of the "Old Testament" is ignored [ the side responsible for 95% of the events in the "Old Testament"].
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Postby Benuty » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:57 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Yisrae1 wrote:Well I think that they are! Judaism is the seed of Christianity and Islam therefore wouldn't our G-d be theirs as well? Yes they've changed the laws and some even suggest that there is a new covenant which pisses me off but hey HaShem's HaShem! It doesn't matter which religion you follow, He doesn't follow human ideas.


jews dont believe in a trinity, to christians god, jesus and the holy spirit are manfestations of god. jews should find this blashphemy. the muslim god is much more in line with jewish thought.

Unitarians can into space :P.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:59 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
i dont believe the mishnah is divine law, but the wrigings of man, and i find the gtalmud contadicts the torah often. also there are two talmuds, different sects give different proirity to each one.

The Talmud Bavli has jurisdiction over everywhere but Israel and the Talmud Yerushalami has jurisdiction within Israel. Problem solved. Where and how does the Talmud contradict the Torah? :eyebrow:

It really is not the problem of contradiction but more or so, is it valid and practical in today's world?

*Not that I take an anti position but more of a context position.
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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:59 pm

Benuty wrote:
The Legion of War wrote:Sweet. Now if only I had Jewish friends...

Note: I don't mean to say I want a Jewish friend solely to go Passover. However, it's a situation I'd like to change, mostly to have someone to talk about the Old Testament/Torah with.

The Old Testament, to me, seems like the really dark side of the Christian God. Maybe there's something I'm missing?

Do you like flirting with us or something :P.

It really is only dark if the human element of the "Old Testament" is ignored [ the side responsible for 95% of the events in the "Old Testament"].

What gentiles don't like flirting with Jews?

Well except the folks in my flag :p
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:15 pm

Benuty wrote:
Vazdania wrote:The Talmud Bavli has jurisdiction over everywhere but Israel and the Talmud Yerushalami has jurisdiction within Israel. Problem solved. Where and how does the Talmud contradict the Torah? :eyebrow:

It really is not the problem of contradiction but more or so, is it valid and practical in today's world?

*Not that I take an anti position but more of a context position.

Yes it's valid and practical. 8)
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Postby The Legion of War » Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:01 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Legion of War wrote:So... God said some things and Moses wrote some of it down? And whatever he didn't write down, he passed down orally?

I r confused for real.

Moses was given the first 5 books of the Torah at Mount Sinai (The Written Law), Moses was given an explanation of the first 5 books at Mount Sinai, as well (The Oral Law). The Oral law was eventually codified (written down) so as to preserve it from being lost.

There we go! NOW I see what Talmud is (I hope).

As for flirting with Jews... Well... I've only ever met one Jewish person in my life. He was rabbi and an ex-sniper for the Israeli armed forces. So I've never really had a chance to flirt with Jews, except you beautiful people on the internet :)
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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:04 pm

The Legion of War wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Moses was given the first 5 books of the Torah at Mount Sinai (The Written Law), Moses was given an explanation of the first 5 books at Mount Sinai, as well (The Oral Law). The Oral law was eventually codified (written down) so as to preserve it from being lost.

There we go! NOW I see what Talmud is (I hope).

As for flirting with Jews... Well... I've only ever met one Jewish person in my life. He was rabbi and an ex-sniper for the Israeli armed forces. So I've never really had a chance to flirt with Jews, except you beautiful people on the internet :)

A rabbi sniper? What I'm picturing is really hilarious.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:55 pm

Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:
The Legion of War wrote:There we go! NOW I see what Talmud is (I hope).

As for flirting with Jews... Well... I've only ever met one Jewish person in my life. He was rabbi and an ex-sniper for the Israeli armed forces. So I've never really had a chance to flirt with Jews, except you beautiful people on the internet :)

A rabbi sniper? What I'm picturing is really hilarious.

He obviously must be a master of Jew-jitsu. ;)
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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:27 am

So someone asked what type of Jew I am and I said conservative and they said "I'm not talking about political opinions". :rofl: :palm:
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Postby Vazdania » Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:04 am

Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:So someone asked what type of Jew I am and I said conservative and they said "I'm not talking about political opinions". :rofl: :palm:

That is hilarious....I've been having trouble explaining noahidism to people :unsure:
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Postby The Legion of War » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:54 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:A rabbi sniper? What I'm picturing is really hilarious.

He obviously must be a master of Jew-jitsu. ;)

Well he certainly was the only Rabbi, and only religious preacher at that, Thayer my grade 12 class considered "cool".

I think we was anywhere between his mid to late 30's.
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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:49 pm

Do you guys pray a lot? I've been doing it so much lately, I need many favors from him. ;)
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Postby Vazdania » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:38 pm

Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:Do you guys pray a lot? I've been doing it so much lately, I need many favors from him. ;)

Oh of course yes!

although I don't have the opportunity to do it as often as I want. :(

That's way cool LU!
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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:39 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:Do you guys pray a lot? I've been doing it so much lately, I need many favors from him. ;)

Oh of course yes!

although I don't have the opportunity to do it as often as I want. :(

That's way cool LU!

Meh. I haven't been doing it on the happiest circumstances, but hopefully things can get better for me.
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Postby Vazdania » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:42 pm

Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Oh of course yes!

although I don't have the opportunity to do it as often as I want. :(

That's way cool LU!

Meh. I haven't been doing it on the happiest circumstances, but hopefully things can get better for me.

:) Hopefully they do. Regardless of the circumstance, it is always a good think to Daven.
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Postby Ivania » Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:22 pm

Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:Do you guys pray a lot? I've been doing it so much lately, I need many favors from him. ;)

I do as well, get well soon.
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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:23 pm

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I do as well, get well soon.

Thanks :)
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:08 pm

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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:36 pm

Vazdania wrote:http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cops-describe-kansas-jewish-center-shooting-suspect-old-bearded-n79391

It's a sad day indeed.

yes i saw that on ynet today :(
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Postby Vazdania » Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:44 pm

HAPPY PESACH! :D
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Have a blessed Passover, friends. :hug:
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:47 am

Oy....I think I had to much Charoset! :D
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