Jewish Discussion Thread

[The Legion of War]

Steve. His name is Steve.

Evraim, he prefers to go by Stephen.

As a Canadian, I associate that name with a terrible politician. You sure he doesn't have a middle name, or a nick name I can I call him by?

OH! What is "Talmud"? Someone mentioned it.

[Totally Not Leningrad Union]

Evraim, he prefers to go by Stephen.

As a Canadian, I associate that name with a terrible politician. You sure he doesn't have a middle name, or a nick name I can I call him by?

I hate Harper.

His middle name is Erik.

[Yisrae1]

I hate it so much because I'm the one everyone forced to do it... -_-

AHAHAHAHA!!!
That is way cool, because you're symbolically removing uncleanliness from the house!

Every last crumb... EVERY LAST CRUMB is left for me to clean up, no it's not really cool. Maybe if you don't have to clean EVERY room in the house.

[The Legion of War]

As a Canadian, I associate that name with a terrible politician. You sure he doesn't have a middle name, or a nick name I can I call him by?

I hate Harper.

His middle name is Erik.

I had a friend named Eric. I can roll with that.

Alright. So someone mentioned Talmud. What is that?

[Vazdania]

AHAHAHAHA!!!
That is way cool, because you're symbolically removing uncleanliness from the house!

Every last crumb... EVERY LAST CRUMB is left for me to clean up, no it's not really cool. Maybe if you don't have to clean EVERY room in the house.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Yes. Yes I can see how one might find it tedious.

[Vazdania]

I hate Harper.

His middle name is Erik.

I had a friend named Eric. I can roll with that.

Alright. So someone mentioned Talmud. What is that?

The Talmud is the codified Oral Law. It explains and expands upon the written Law (Torah)

[Evraim]

Evraim, he prefers to go by Stephen.

As a Canadian, I associate that name with a terrible politician. You sure he doesn't have a middle name, or a nick name I can I call him by?

OH! What is "Talmud"? Someone mentioned it.

Stephen Haprer: Because G-d makes an awesome prime minister. I must introduce this idea to P2TM. It's brilliant, and evil.

[The Legion of War]

I had a friend named Eric. I can roll with that.

Alright. So someone mentioned Talmud. What is that?

The Talmud is the codified Oral Law. It explains and expands upon the written Law (Torah)

Codified Oral Law? That expands upon the written law.

Let me understand this (bear with me and my usage of Christian terms). The Written Law is the Torah, and the Talmud is codified oral law. Things people said, adding onto the Torah?

...Like when Jesus talked about the Old Testament, and it was later written down or "codified"?

[Vazdania]

The Talmud is the codified Oral Law. It explains and expands upon the written Law (Torah)

Codified Oral Law? That expands upon the written law.

Let me understand this (bear with me and my usage of Christian terms). The Written Law is the Torah, and the Talmud is codified oral law. Things people said, adding onto the Torah?

...Like when Jesus talked about the Old Testament, and it was later written down or "codified"?

Not 'add' It explains the Torah and Expands upon the Torah.

Not really.....

[The Legion of War]

Codified Oral Law? That expands upon the written law.

Let me understand this (bear with me and my usage of Christian terms). The Written Law is the Torah, and the Talmud is codified oral law. Things people said, adding onto the Torah?

...Like when Jesus talked about the Old Testament, and it was later written down or "codified"?

Not 'add' It explains the Torah and Expands upon the Torah.

Not really.....

I'm confused So people explained/clarified the Torah, and someone wrote it down? What exactly does the "codified" in "codified Oral Law" mean?

EDIT: Did a quick wikipedia search... still don't get it.

Also, how authoritative is it? There seems to be a split in the Jewish community about it, or at least that's the vibe I getting from wikipedia.

[Vazdania]

Not 'add' It explains the Torah and Expands upon the Torah.

Not really.....

I'm confused So people explained/clarified the Torah, and someone wrote it down? What exactly does the "codified" in "codified Oral Law" mean?

Oral law and Written Law were given to Moses at Mount Sinai. Written Law is Torah, Oral Law was kept Oral until it was eventually codified. Oral Law is a expansion upon, and explanation of Written Law.

Written law is awesome But unless you have oral law, it hardly makes sense.

[Vazdania]

Not 'add' It explains the Torah and Expands upon the Torah.

Not really.....

I'm confused So people explained/clarified the Torah, and someone wrote it down? What exactly does the "codified" in "codified Oral Law" mean?

EDIT: Did a quick wikipedia search... still don't get it.

Also, how authoritative is it? There seems to be a split in the Jewish community about it, or at least that's the vibe I getting from wikipedia.

The Talmud is highly authoritative.(Many might say it is more authoritative than the Written Law) The only difference between the community is how strictly one needs to adhere to the law. For Example, the Orthodox strictly follow the law, Conservatives mostly follow the law, and Liberal and Reform hardly follow the law.

[Evraim]

The Talmud is highly authoritative.(Many might say it is more authoritative than the Written Law) The only difference between the community is how strictly one needs to adhere to the law. For Example, the Orthodox strictly follow the law, Conservatives mostly follow the law, and Liberal and Reform hardly follow the law.

This is an excellent explanation, though there are nuances that have been missed when differentiating between the various denominations of Judaism. All the same, you get a gold star, Vaz.

[Vazdania]

The Talmud is highly authoritative.(Many might say it is more authoritative than the Written Law) The only difference between the community is how strictly one needs to adhere to the law. For Example, the Orthodox strictly follow the law, Conservatives mostly follow the law, and Liberal and Reform hardly follow the law.

This is an excellent explanation, though there are nuances that have been missed when differentiating between the various denominations of Judaism. All the same, you get a gold star, Vaz.

SQUUUUEEEEEE! :3 *runs around in circles*

[Ethel mermania]

I don't recommend you call YHWH the "Christian god" around Jews. Just saying, man

Good point. I apologize.

...Our God? Your God? WHAT DO I CALL HIM HERE?!

i am good with "christian god", christian theology requires they be the same god, jewish doesnt. i dont think they are the same god at all.

[Ethel mermania]

I'm confused So people explained/clarified the Torah, and someone wrote it down? What exactly does the "codified" in "codified Oral Law" mean?

Oral law and Written Law were given to Moses at Mount Sinai. Written Law is Torah, Oral Law was kept Oral until it was eventually codified. Oral Law is a expansion upon, and explanation of Written Law.

Written law is awesome But unless you have oral law, it hardly makes sense.

i am going to diaagree with this as well

[Vazdania]

Oral law and Written Law were given to Moses at Mount Sinai. Written Law is Torah, Oral Law was kept Oral until it was eventually codified. Oral Law is a expansion upon, and explanation of Written Law.

Written law is awesome But unless you have oral law, it hardly makes sense.

i am going to diaagree with this as well

Why you disagree with me?

[Yisrae1]

Good point. I apologize.

...Our God? Your God? WHAT DO I CALL HIM HERE?!

i am good with "christian god", christian theology requires they be the same god, jewish doesnt. i dont think they are the same god at all.

Well I think that they are! Judaism is the seed of Christianity and Islam therefore wouldn't our G-d be theirs as well? Yes they've changed the laws and some even suggest that there is a new covenant which pisses me off but hey HaShem's HaShem! It doesn't matter which religion you follow, He doesn't follow human ideas.

[Ethel mermania]

i am going to diaagree with this as well

Why you disagree with me?

i dont believe the mishnah is divine law, but the wrigings of man, and i find the gtalmud contadicts the torah often. also there are two talmuds, different sects give different proirity to each one.

[Ethel mermania]

i am good with "christian god", christian theology requires they be the same god, jewish doesnt. i dont think they are the same god at all.

Well I think that they are! Judaism is the seed of Christianity and Islam therefore wouldn't our G-d be theirs as well? Yes they've changed the laws and some even suggest that there is a new covenant which pisses me off but hey HaShem's HaShem! It doesn't matter which religion you follow, He doesn't follow human ideas.

jews dont believe in a trinity, to christians god, jesus and the holy spirit are manfestations of god. jews should find this blashphemy. the muslim god is much more in line with jewish thought.

[Totally Not Leningrad Union]

i am good with "christian god", christian theology requires they be the same god, jewish doesnt. i dont think they are the same god at all.

Well I think that they are! Judaism is the seed of Christianity and Islam therefore wouldn't our G-d be theirs as well? Yes they've changed the laws and some even suggest that there is a new covenant which pisses me off but hey HaShem's HaShem! It doesn't matter which religion you follow, He doesn't follow human ideas.

No, they changed the meaning and name of him and bastardized it. Islam is closer to him than the christian idea.

[Totally Not Leningrad Union]

Well I think that they are! Judaism is the seed of Christianity and Islam therefore wouldn't our G-d be theirs as well? Yes they've changed the laws and some even suggest that there is a new covenant which pisses me off but hey HaShem's HaShem! It doesn't matter which religion you follow, He doesn't follow human ideas.

jews dont believe in a trinity, to christians god, jesus and the holy spirit are manfestations of god. jews should find this blashphemy. the muslim god is much more in line with jewish thought.

Wow, I didn't even see this.

[Iuronia]

Well I think that they are! Judaism is the seed of Christianity and Islam therefore wouldn't our G-d be theirs as well? Yes they've changed the laws and some even suggest that there is a new covenant which pisses me off but hey HaShem's HaShem! It doesn't matter which religion you follow, He doesn't follow human ideas.

jews dont believe in a trinity, to christians god, jesus and the holy spirit are manfestations of god. jews should find this blashphemy. the muslim god is much more in line with jewish thought.

Neither do Protestants.

[The Legion of War]

I'm confused So people explained/clarified the Torah, and someone wrote it down? What exactly does the "codified" in "codified Oral Law" mean?

Oral law and Written Law were given to Moses at Mount Sinai. Written Law is Torah, Oral Law was kept Oral until it was eventually codified. Oral Law is a expansion upon, and explanation of Written Law.

Written law is awesome But unless you have oral law, it hardly makes sense.

So... God said some things and Moses wrote some of it down? And whatever he didn't write down, he passed down orally?

I r confused for real.

[Ethel mermania]

jews dont believe in a trinity, to christians god, jesus and the holy spirit are manfestations of god. jews should find this blashphemy. the muslim god is much more in line with jewish thought.

Neither do Protestants.

neither do all protestants.

the concept of a son of god is fairly anthetical to jewish thought. the jews do not believe you sit near god due to belief, (there is no concept of being saved), to sit near god jews require adherence to the law.

the jewish god is just and merciful
the christian god is forgiving. there is a pretty big difference.