Jewish Discussion Thread

[Conscentia]

It was definitely not literal.

Well Moses wrote it to represent the weekly cycle (6 days of work and 1 of rest) along with the cycle of day/night rather than 6 actual days.

You say Moses wrote it...

[Conscentia]

God is evil, as the snake's origin is god. That is the logical conclusion from thy words.

Seriously?

It is Benuty's interpretation that the snake was of evil origin - not my interpretation.

[Benuty]

I believe the snake was of evil origin thus it could talk (it isn't Satan obviously like the Christians would believe).

God is evil, as the snake's origin is god. That is the logical conclusion from thy words.

Not exactly after all death existed in the world (just not Human death) so why wouldn't evil?

[Conscentia]

God is evil, as the snake's origin is god. That is the logical conclusion from thy words.

Not exactly after all death existed in the world (just not Human death) so why wouldn't evil?

God created the world, including mortality. That is explained at the beginning.
Also:

Isaiah 45:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

[Benuty]

Well Moses wrote it to represent the weekly cycle (6 days of work and 1 of rest) along with the cycle of day/night rather than 6 actual days.

You say Moses wrote it...

Well given his literary talent I say yes.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Well Moses wrote it to represent the weekly cycle (6 days of work and 1 of rest) along with the cycle of day/night rather than 6 actual days.

You say Moses wrote it...

Well, I say a Jew in the 6/7th century BC wrote it but nevermind...

[Conscentia]

You say Moses wrote it...

Well given his literary talent I say yes.

How do you know Moses was any good at writing?

[Conscentia]

You say Moses wrote it...

Well, I say a Jew in the 6/7th century BC wrote it but nevermind...

I say it has several authors. (Relevant link in my signature: A History Of The Judeo-Christian God.)

[Kingdom of Israel]

Well, I say a Jew in the 6/7th century BC wrote it but nevermind...

I say it has several authors. (Relevant link in my signature: A History Of The Judeo-Christian God.)

No, it is based of several SOURCES, written from the 9th-7th centuries BC and collected and written as it is in the Bible right now by a Jewish scribe in the 7th-6th centuries.

[Benuty]

Well given his literary talent I say yes.

How do you know Moses was any good at writing?

Well he had to be considering Moses put up with a really tough crowd (That nearly killed him several times) not to mention he was a scholarly man (the Egyptians were quite advanced especially intellectually).

[Conscentia]

I say it has several authors. (Relevant link in my signature: A History Of The Judeo-Christian God.)

No, it is based of several SOURCES, written from the 9th-7th centuries BC and collected and written as it is in the Bible right now by a Jewish scribe in the 7th-6th centuries.

Well that's what I mean't. I should've phrased it better.

[Evraim]

Not exactly after all death existed in the world (just not Human death) so why wouldn't evil?

God created the world, including mortality. That is explained at the beginning.
Also:

Isaiah 45:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

About the word evil... Quite a bit is lost in translation.

[Conscentia]

How do you know Moses was any good at writing?

Well he had to be considering Moses put up with a really tough crowd (That nearly killed him several times) not to mention he was a scholarly man (the Egyptians were quite advanced especially intellectually).

Moses could be a fine orator, while being illiterate.
Most Egyptians were illiterate. Also, Exodus is as fictional as Genesis - an origin story for the Israelites to match the origin story for the world. (eg. There was no mass enslavement by the Egyptians - the Egyptians used paid workers to build their pyramids.)

[Benuty]

Well he had to be considering Moses put up with a really tough crowd (That nearly killed him several times) not to mention he was a scholarly man (the Egyptians were quite advanced especially intellectually).

Moses could be a fine orator, while being illiterate.
Most Egyptians were illiterate. Also, Exodus is as fictional as Genesis - an origin story for the Israelites to match the origin story for the world. (eg. There was no mass enslavement by the Egyptians - the Egyptians used paid workers to build their pyramids.)

Forced labor and mercantile debt trading along with servitude do not exactly entail instant enslavement. This was a process that took years and the reigns of another Pharaoh.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Well he had to be considering Moses put up with a really tough crowd (That nearly killed him several times) not to mention he was a scholarly man (the Egyptians were quite advanced especially intellectually).

Moses could be a fine orator, while being illiterate.
Most Egyptians were illiterate. Also, Exodus is as fictional as Genesis - an origin story for the Israelites to match the origin story for the world. (eg. There was no mass enslavement by the Egyptians - the Egyptians used paid workers to build their pyramids.)

Actually there was a slave trade. And probably there has been a small escape of a small amount of canaanite slaves from Egypt into the land of Canaan during the bronze age collapse. They probably created the exodus mytth even though they are a minority of the ancestors of the Jewish nation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qalTJzk4kO0

[Conscentia]

Moses could be a fine orator, while being illiterate.
Most Egyptians were illiterate. Also, Exodus is as fictional as Genesis - an origin story for the Israelites to match the origin story for the world. (eg. There was no mass enslavement by the Egyptians - the Egyptians used paid workers to build their pyramids.)

Actually there was a slave trade. And probably there has been a small escape of a small amount of canaanite slaves from Egypt into the land of Canaan during the bronze age collapse. They probably created the exodus mytth even though they are a minority of the ancestors of the Jewish nation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qalTJzk4kO0

I'm not saying there were no slaves. I'm saying that the Egyptians used paid workers to construct pyramids, temples, monuments, etc.
There may real events that inspired the myth, but the events as described in Exodus are no less fictional than the events of Genesis.

Moses could be a fine orator, while being illiterate.
Most Egyptians were illiterate. Also, Exodus is as fictional as Genesis - an origin story for the Israelites to match the origin story for the world. (eg. There was no mass enslavement by the Egyptians - the Egyptians used paid workers to build their pyramids.)

Forced labor and mercantile debt trading along with servitude do not exactly entail instant enslavement. This was a process that took years and the reigns of another Pharaoh.

Forced labour is the definition of slavery.

[Benuty]

Actually there was a slave trade. And probably there has been a small escape of a small amount of canaanite slaves from Egypt into the land of Canaan during the bronze age collapse. They probably created the exodus mytth even though they are a minority of the ancestors of the Jewish nation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qalTJzk4kO0

I'm not saying there were no slaves. I'm saying that the Egyptians used paid workers to construct pyramids, temples, monuments, etc.
There may real events that inspired the myth, but the events as described in Exodus are no less fictional than the events of Genesis.

Forced labor and mercantile debt trading along with servitude do not exactly entail instant enslavement. This was a process that took years and the reigns of another Pharaoh.

Forced labour is the definition of slavery.

That would make prison laborers slaves.

[Spring Haven]

tagged for later

[Conscentia]

That would make prison laborers slaves.

Penal labour is a form of slavery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labour

[Menassa]

Well he had to be considering Moses put up with a really tough crowd (That nearly killed him several times) not to mention he was a scholarly man (the Egyptians were quite advanced especially intellectually).

Moses could be a fine orator, while being illiterate.
Most Egyptians were illiterate. Also, Exodus is as fictional as Genesis - an origin story for the Israelites to match the origin story for the world. (eg. There was no mass enslavement by the Egyptians - the Egyptians used paid workers to build their pyramids.)

Good thing the Bible doesn't say the Jews built the pyramids...

[Menassa]

Well, I say a Jew in the 6/7th century BC wrote it but nevermind...

I say it has several authors. (Relevant link in my signature: A History Of The Judeo-Christian God.)

"Hear o Israel, Adonai Elohanu Adonai is one"

[Benuty]

Moses could be a fine orator, while being illiterate.
Most Egyptians were illiterate. Also, Exodus is as fictional as Genesis - an origin story for the Israelites to match the origin story for the world. (eg. There was no mass enslavement by the Egyptians - the Egyptians used paid workers to build their pyramids.)

Good thing the Bible doesn't say the Jews built the pyramids...

Wow you ninja....XD.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Moses could be a fine orator, while being illiterate.
Most Egyptians were illiterate. Also, Exodus is as fictional as Genesis - an origin story for the Israelites to match the origin story for the world. (eg. There was no mass enslavement by the Egyptians - the Egyptians used paid workers to build their pyramids.)

Good thing the Bible doesn't say the Jews built the pyramids...

It doesn't say that indeed.
It says the Israelites built Pithom and Ramses.

[Conscentia]

Moses could be a fine orator, while being illiterate.
Most Egyptians were illiterate. Also, Exodus is as fictional as Genesis - an origin story for the Israelites to match the origin story for the world. (eg. There was no mass enslavement by the Egyptians - the Egyptians used paid workers to build their pyramids.)

Good thing the Bible doesn't say the Jews built the pyramids...

The Pharoahs never had slaves build cities either.
The pyramids part wasn't really part of the point... the point was that the Pharoah didn't use slaves for building projects.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Good thing the Bible doesn't say the Jews built the pyramids...

The Pharoahs never had slaves build cities either.
The pyramids part wasn't really part of the point... the point was that the Pharoah didn't use slaves for building projects.

Of course he did, every civilazation at that time did.