Jewish Discussion Thread

[Kingdom of Israel]

Hebrew is the best.

Is this coming from a nationalistic point-of-view, or linguistic?

Both.

[Conscentia]

Is this coming from a nationalistic point-of-view, or linguistic?

Both.

What makes you think Hebrew is any good linguistically?

[Kingdom of Israel]

Both.

What makes you think Hebrew is any good linguistically?

It's a beautiful language in my opinion.

[Iuronia]

Is this coming from a nationalistic point-of-view, or linguistic?

Both.

What makes you think Hebrew is any good linguistically?

It's a beautiful language in my opinion.

With all due respect, that doesn't really answer the question.

[Menassa]

Aramaic vs. Biblical Hebrew vs. Modern Hebrew vs. Diaspora Languages

Discuss.

I like Yiddish. It's a fun language.

I'm a Yeshivish man myself.

[Menassa]

Both.

What makes you think Hebrew is any good linguistically?

I prefer it to say English because it focuses more on root words and prefixes and suffixes than English does.

Not saying English doesn't have prefixes, suffixes, and root words but Hebrew seems to be only made up of these.

[Leningrad Union]

What makes you think Hebrew is any good linguistically?

I prefer it to say English because it focuses more on root words and prefixes and suffixes than English does.

Not saying English doesn't have prefixes, suffixes, and root words but Hebrew seems to be only made up of these.

Example?

[Menassa]

I prefer it to say English because it focuses more on root words and prefixes and suffixes than English does.

Not saying English doesn't have prefixes, suffixes, and root words but Hebrew seems to be only made up of these.

Example?

The word הַדְּבָרִים means: "The words"

הַ means The
דְּבָרִ means word/matters
ים means that the word is plural

[Kingdom of Israel]

Example?

The word הַדְּבָרִים means: "The words"

הַ means The
דְּבָרִ means word/matters
ים means that the word is plural

No it means "The stuff".
"The words" is המילים HaMilim (Ha- The, Mil(ah) - Word, im - s (Plural) = The Words)

[Menassa]

The word הַדְּבָרִים means: "The words"

הַ means The
דְּבָרִ means word/matters
ים means that the word is plural

No it means "The stuff".
"The words" is המילים HaMilim (Ha- The, Mil(ah) - Word, im - s (Plural) = The Words)

You think I would ever talk about Modern Hebrew my friend?

You must not know me


Also Matter=things=stuff.

[Kingdom of Israel]

No it means "The stuff".
"The words" is המילים HaMilim (Ha- The, Mil(ah) - Word, im - s (Plural) = The Words)

You think I would ever talk about Modern Hebrew my friend?

You must not know me


Also Matter=things=stuff.

Also in ancient Hebrew.
For example
"וישא את הדברים", it literaly says "stuff" but relates to words.
But the word itself doesn't mean words, we can also say ויאכל את הדברים, when it refers to food.

[Menassa]

You think I would ever talk about Modern Hebrew my friend?

You must not know me


Also Matter=things=stuff.

Also in ancient Hebrew.
For example
"וישא את הדברים", it literaly says "stuff" but relates to words.
But the word itself doesn't mean words, we can also say ויאכל את הדברים, when it refers to food.

Loh my friend:
אֵלֶּה הַדְּבָרִים, אֲשֶׁר דִּבֶּר מֹשֶׁה = These are the words which Moses spoke

It also means matters which again can also mean stuff... but how weird would it be if my Tanach said: "These are the stuff that Moshe said"

[Kingdom of Israel]

No it means "The stuff".
"The words" is המילים HaMilim (Ha- The, Mil(ah) - Word, im - s (Plural) = The Words)

You think I would ever talk about Modern Hebrew my friend?

You must not know me


Also Matter=things=stuff.

By the way, what is your opinion about the Great Revolt & Bar Kokhba Revolt? I know the the Talmud opposed them and found them unjustified and it's heros un-heroic. I'm asking you for being Orthodox since lately, many Orthodox-Zionist Jews now say the opposite of the Talmud's opinion even though Orthodox Judaism finds it as "God's words".

I know it has nothing to do with what we are talking about but still. (By the way, if you have noticed, my signature was edited by Yohanan MiGush Halav )

[Kingdom of Israel]

Also in ancient Hebrew.
For example
"וישא את הדברים", it literaly says "stuff" but relates to words.
But the word itself doesn't mean words, we can also say ויאכל את הדברים, when it refers to food.

Loh my friend:
אֵלֶּה הַדְּבָרִים, אֲשֶׁר דִּבֶּר מֹשֶׁה = These are the words which Moses spoke

It also means matters which again can also mean stuff... but how weird would it be if my Tanach said: "These are the stuff that Moshe said"

Hebrew =/= English
In Hebrew it sounds good and in English it doesn't.

But it means stuff, or matters, referring here to words. Of course, it is translated to "words" because it refers to that and it is more correct to say so in English.

By the way, not Loh, but Lo (It ends with א, not ה)

[Menassa]

You think I would ever talk about Modern Hebrew my friend?

You must not know me


Also Matter=things=stuff.

By the way, what is your opinion about the Great Revolt & Bar Kokhba Revolt? I know the the Talmud opposed them and found them unjustified and it's heros un-heroic. I'm asking you for being Orthodox since lately, many Orthodox-Zionist Jews now say the opposite of the Talmud's opinion even though Orthodox Judaism finds it as "God's words".

I know it has nothing to do with what we are talking about but still. (By the way, if you have noticed, my signature was edited by Yohanan MiGush Halav )

Just like the Talmud my friend, we are all about tangents

I don't know where you see that they opposed the revolt, they opposed what happened at Masada... most Torah Jews do... I mean Rabbi Akiva thought Bar Kochba might have even been the Moshiach until of course he was.... killed by the Romans.

[Kingdom of Israel]

By the way, what is your opinion about the Great Revolt & Bar Kokhba Revolt? I know the the Talmud opposed them and found them unjustified and it's heros un-heroic. I'm asking you for being Orthodox since lately, many Orthodox-Zionist Jews now say the opposite of the Talmud's opinion even though Orthodox Judaism finds it as "God's words".

I know it has nothing to do with what we are talking about but still. (By the way, if you have noticed, my signature was edited by Yohanan MiGush Halav )

Just like the Talmud my friend, we are all about tangents

I don't know where you see that they opposed the revolt, they opposed what happened at Masada... most Torah Jews do... I mean Rabbi Akiva thought Bar Kochba might have even been the Moshiach until of course he was.... killed by the Romans.

Actually it is unknown how Bar Kokhba was killed:
-Jerusalem Talmud says a snake bit him.
-Eusebius says he was executed by the Romans
-Babylon Talmud says that the Rabbis killed him after it was discovered he wasn't the messiah (But scholars think this is absolutely not what happened)

Most scholars think though that he WAS executed by the Romans but we don't REALLY know that.

[Kingdom of Israel]

By the way, what is your opinion about the Great Revolt & Bar Kokhba Revolt? I know the the Talmud opposed them and found them unjustified and it's heros un-heroic. I'm asking you for being Orthodox since lately, many Orthodox-Zionist Jews now say the opposite of the Talmud's opinion even though Orthodox Judaism finds it as "God's words".

I know it has nothing to do with what we are talking about but still. (By the way, if you have noticed, my signature was edited by Yohanan MiGush Halav )

Just like the Talmud my friend, we are all about tangents

I don't know where you see that they opposed the revolt, they opposed what happened at Masada... most Torah Jews do... I mean Rabbi Akiva thought Bar Kochba might have even been the Moshiach until of course he was.... killed by the Romans.

And no, the Talmud says that the Second Temple was destroyed because of "Hate for nothing שנאת חינם" (Referring to the rebels). Even though the Romans did so, the Talmud is anti-revolt.

[Menassa]

Just like the Talmud my friend, we are all about tangents

I don't know where you see that they opposed the revolt, they opposed what happened at Masada... most Torah Jews do... I mean Rabbi Akiva thought Bar Kochba might have even been the Moshiach until of course he was.... killed by the Romans.

Actually it is unknown how Bar Kokhba was killed:
-Jerusalem Talmud says a snake bit him.
-Eusebius says he was executed by the Romans
-Babylon Talmud says that the Rabbis killed him after it was discovered he wasn't the messiah (But scholars think this is absolutely not what happened)

Most scholars think though that he WAS executed by the Romans but we don't REALLY know that.

Does the Babylonian Talmud really say that?

[Kingdom of Israel]

Actually it is unknown how Bar Kokhba was killed:
-Jerusalem Talmud says a snake bit him.
-Eusebius says he was executed by the Romans
-Babylon Talmud says that the Rabbis killed him after it was discovered he wasn't the messiah (But scholars think this is absolutely not what happened)

Most scholars think though that he WAS executed by the Romans but we don't REALLY know that.

Does the Babylonian Talmud really say that?

Yeah.
בר כוזיבא מלך תרתין שנין ופלגא. אמר להו לרבנן אנא משיח. אמרו ליה במשיח כתיב דמורח ודאין נחזי אנן אי מורח ודאין. כיון שחזיוהו דלא מורח ודאין קטלוהו
– תלמוד בבלי, סנהדרין, צג ע"ב;

[Leningrad Union]

I'm happy that Conservative Jews are the second biggest group!

[Kingdom of Israel]

Does the Babylonian Talmud really say that?

Yeah.
בר כוזיבא מלך תרתין שנין ופלגא. אמר להו לרבנן אנא משיח. אמרו ליה במשיח כתיב דמורח ודאין נחזי אנן אי מורח ודאין. כיון שחזיוהו דלא מורח ודאין קטלוהו
– תלמוד בבלי, סנהדרין, צג ע"ב;

Translation:
Son of Koziba ruled three and half years. He told them (The rabbis) "I'm the messiah!". They told him that "A messiah divinely judges, let's see if you judge divinely". Since they saw he didn't judge divinely they killed him.

[Menassa]

Does the Babylonian Talmud really say that?

Yeah.
בר כוזיבא מלך תרתין שנין ופלגא. אמר להו לרבנן אנא משיח. אמרו ליה במשיח כתיב דמורח ודאין נחזי אנן אי מורח ודאין. כיון שחזיוהו דלא מורח ודאין קטלוהו
– תלמוד בבלי, סנהדרין, צג ע"ב;

Todah.

[Menassa]

Yeah.
בר כוזיבא מלך תרתין שנין ופלגא. אמר להו לרבנן אנא משיח. אמרו ליה במשיח כתיב דמורח ודאין נחזי אנן אי מורח ודאין. כיון שחזיוהו דלא מורח ודאין קטלוהו
– תלמוד בבלי, סנהדרין, צג ע"ב;

Translation:
Son of Koziba ruled three and half years. He told them (The rabbis) "I'm the messiah!". They told him that "A messiah divinely judges, let's see if you judge divinely". They they saw he didn't judge divinely they killed him.

I know.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Translation:
Son of Koziba ruled three and half years. He told them (The rabbis) "I'm the messiah!". They told him that "A messiah divinely judges, let's see if you judge divinely". They they saw he didn't judge divinely they killed him.

I know.

Not everybody here knows Aramaic.
In fact, I'm pretty sure you are the only one.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Yeah.
בר כוזיבא מלך תרתין שנין ופלגא. אמר להו לרבנן אנא משיח. אמרו ליה במשיח כתיב דמורח ודאין נחזי אנן אי מורח ודאין. כיון שחזיוהו דלא מורח ודאין קטלוהו
– תלמוד בבלי, סנהדרין, צג ע"ב;

Todah.

But it probably didn't happen that way.