It depends on what you face.
Why do you think he never managed to win an Italian championship?
He was good, but he wasn't that good as advertisement claimed. Definitely not on the same level of Platini, Maradona, Di Stefano, Yashin, or Pelè.
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by DesAnges » Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:56 am
Risottia wrote:DesAnges wrote:He was a footballing god. You don't finish with a career goal/games ratio of 0.7 if you're overrated.
It depends on what you face.
Why do you think he never managed to win an Italian championship?
He was good, but he wasn't that good as advertisement claimed. Definitely not on the same level of Platini, Maradona, Di Stefano, Yashin, or Pelè.

by EnragedMaldivians » Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:57 am

by Nazis in Space » Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:14 am
Messi's already got five national championships, plus three champions league titles. Compare to Maradona's three national and zero CL-predecessor titles.

by DesAnges » Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:14 am

by Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:39 am
Nazis in Space wrote:Messi's already got five national championships, plus three champions league titles. Compare to Maradona's three national and zero CL-predecessor titles.Forsakia wrote:
You can be overrated even if he's really good. Some people have started putting him up there with Maradona etc which is certainly premature.
Now, this does, admittedly, not tell the whole story - Maradona played largely for Napoli, sticking it to the established clubs in the north (And being effectively worshipped for it), leading what amounted to a little proletarian revolution in the Serie A, whereas Messi collects titles in a hilariously lopsided league of lopsidedness - I would, without any hesitation, rate each and every one of Maradona's titles at at least twice the effective value of Messi's titles. Probably thrice. OTOH - while it's pretty damned easy for Messi to win national titles in Spain, the CL is an entirely different thing - and it's these three titles that do, IMHO, justify putting him on the pedestal he's spending his time on.

by New England and The Maritimes » Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:40 am
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by Risottia » Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:02 am
DesAnges wrote:He may never have won a championship in Italy but he still scored 71 goals in 115 games for Inter. That's astounding, considering how strong Serie A was at the time.
I'm not saying he was on the same plane of talent as the true titans, but saying he was overrated is wrong as well.

by Forsakia » Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:33 am
Dunroaming wrote:3. David Beckham was, and is, a footballer with only one foot. I never rated him.
Risottia wrote:DesAnges wrote:He may never have won a championship in Italy but he still scored 71 goals in 115 games for Inter. That's astounding, considering how strong Serie A was at the time.
I'm not saying he was on the same plane of talent as the true titans, but saying he was overrated is wrong as well.
Vastly overrated. He was heralded as the "best forward ever". Pfft. He couldn't tie the shoelaces to people like Maldini, Del Piero, Totti or Inzaghi, just to quote some of his contemporaries.

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by Nadkor » Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:39 am
Dunroaming wrote:3. David Beckham was, and is, a footballer with only one foot. I never rated him.

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by Nadkor » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:24 am
Beckham could take free kicks and could hit long crosses and that was about it.
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