Who was worse,Hitler or Stalin?

[The glorious Hatsune Miku]

Stalin. People always forget Mao by the way.

[Alimprad]

wed to have variety in the world, like north Korea or china today, its good to know not everywhere is a hippy liberal lovefest, so I have no problem with Stalin running his country in a different (cause Im not a liberal) and though Hitler killed people that I dont have any problems with, what he did was remarkable considering it was less than a decade ago.
I know that therell be hordes of liberals who will shout me down for this, go ahead

[New haven america]

Stalin: 20 mil. dead, could be counted as a genocide.
Hitler: Started WWII the worst war in world history-75 mil. dead, and genocide of the Jews(Who helped him when he was homeless) and other people he didn't like.
This is a hard choice.

[Hathradic States]

Stalin. No one cut his shit short with a world war. Like we should have.

[Napkiraly]

Both different kinds of evil, almost impossible to compare them actually imo. For the sake of the OP I'll have to go with Hitler.

[Tahar Joblis]

Hitler. Killed more people in less time, and had a greater share of responsibility for the system he created.

Stalin just picked up the reins of power when Lenin let them drop. He was neither the first nor the last leader of the USSR, and while he was particularly harsh, his approach was not novel; the Bolshevik Party was bloody-minded from the start. Traveling back in time to assassinate him before he seized power would probably not have prevented more than a modest percentage of the deaths he caused.

Pick off Hitler, and the chain of events surrounding him collapses like a bad house of cards. The Nazis came to power in very chancy circumstances. Nationalists seizing power successfully was a relatively unlikely event in the first place; that a replacement nationalist leader would also have Hitler's particular genocidal bent and mania for conquest is not a given. He was the singular charismatic leader of the Nazi Party, and it was entirely his creature.

[Imperiya]

Oh, both so horrible.

I'm going to say Stalin simply because he had more time to do more damage. He had been in power for some twenty years prior to the Second World War, and would continue on for slightly less than another decade compared to Hitler's twelve years in power.

[Murikkuh]

I can't believe my ears when I hear people whining about the Jews and condemning Hitler whilst at the same time describing Stalin as the "Liberator of Europe".

Stalin&Co. were by far the biggest killers,some estimates going as high as 60 million people. The propaganda needs to stop and people need to face reality.

EDIT: Not to mention how the USSR raped and degraded half of Europe for half a century with its' communist sockpuppets.

[Shofercia]

Stalin. People always forget Mao by the way.
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Is there an actual source for Stalin killing 35 million? Oh right, it's Rex Curry, nevermind. He also forgot to count the WWII deaths caused by Hitler, but can't really blame someone quite so biased.

Stalin. No one cut his shit short with a world war. Like we should have.

No, it wouldn't have worked out. Not one bit. It would've just caused more death and destruction, and you don't want that.

[The Revolutionary Fighters of Intel]

During WWII when the German army and the Russian army were in direct conflict with each other would the deaths be put on Stalin's head or Hitler's head.

[Murikkuh]

Stalin. People always forget Mao by the way.
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Is there an actual source for Stalin killing 35 million? Oh right, it's Rex Curry, nevermind. He also forgot to count the WWII deaths caused by Hitler, but can't really blame someone quite so biased.

Stalin. No one cut his shit short with a world war. Like we should have.

No, it wouldn't have worked out. Not one bit. It would've just caused more death and destruction, and you don't want that.

Biased? Nice flag.

[Shofercia]

The propaganda needs to stop and people need to face reality.

Indeed, I'm sick and tired of bullshit and idiotic propaganda, it needs to stop!

Stalin&Co. were by far the biggest killers,some estimates going as high as 60 million people.

You need to stop that propaganda! Now!

[Shofercia]

Is there an actual source for Stalin killing 35 million? Oh right, it's Rex Curry, nevermind. He also forgot to count the WWII deaths caused by Hitler, but can't really blame someone quite so biased.




No, it wouldn't have worked out. Not one bit. It would've just caused more death and destruction, and you don't want that.

Biased? Nice flag.

Asking for a source, or pointing out that invading Russia will be bad, is being biased? Damn, summer's starting early.

Yeah, I agree, it's a very nice flag

[Shofercia]

During WWII when the German army and the Russian army were in direct conflict with each other would the deaths be put on Stalin's head or Hitler's head.

No. You see, Hilter started WWII. Stalin was acting in self-defense after 1941, which is what we'd expect normal leaders to do. So WWII deaths are on Hitler's shoulders, not Stalin's.

[Napkiraly]

During WWII when the German army and the Russian army were in direct conflict with each other would the deaths be put on Stalin's head or Hitler's head.

Hitler, considering he started it.

[Communist Lebanon (Ancient)]

I say Hitler, I am a Stalinist.

[Shofercia]

I say Hitler, I am a Stalinist.

Being much better than Hitler is hardly a criteria for good leadership. Most leaders... no wait, almost all leaders meet that criteria. Only one who doesn't was named Adolf, and he was in charge of that one place called Nazi Germany.

[Murikkuh]

During WWII when the German army and the Russian army were in direct conflict with each other would the deaths be put on Stalin's head or Hitler's head.

No. You see, Hilter started WWII. Stalin was acting in self-defense after 1941, which is what we'd expect normal leaders to do. So WWII deaths are on Hitler's shoulders, not Stalin's.

Self-defense,you're a funny lad aren't you. So putting in place communist sockpuppet states and thus raping and degrading half of Europe for half a century was also in self-defense? Murdering 1-7 million Ukrainians by starving them to death was also in self-defense? Labor camps and political crimes were also in self-defense?

Take off your bias goggles.

[Lucius Valentine]

I hate them both, but I chose Stalin simply because of body count.

Stalin. People always forget Mao by the way.
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Don't use Rex Curry for information. Ever.

[The Democratic Republic of Davida]

As I understood it, Stalin could be considered of being guilty of roughly the same nmber of deaths as Hitler. He had however a longer time in which he could do that harm.

Also, to not see the difference in the USSR during Stalin's reign opposed to before and after means you don't understand Soviet history.

Stalin was bad, hmkay?

However...

He prooved himself to be the more effective leader in the end. He didn't start WW2. (Some military geeks probably won't see this as a pro) and he was the biggest factor in defeating Hitler of all the allies. He showed cowerdness but not the Hitler level of insanity. And under his rule the USSR got the atomic bomb which was a good thing otherwise Eisenhower would have droped a few A bombs on Korea, China and the USSR.

Hitler was worse. He didn't do any good except for building highways and things like that.

[Shofercia]

No. You see, Hilter started WWII. Stalin was acting in self-defense after 1941, which is what we'd expect normal leaders to do. So WWII deaths are on Hitler's shoulders, not Stalin's.

Self-defense,you're a funny lad aren't you. So putting in place communist sockpuppet states and thus raping and degrading half of Europe for half a century was also in self-defense? Murdering 1-7 million Ukrainians by starving them to death was also in self-defense? Labor camps and political crimes were also in self-defense?

Take off your bias goggles.

Erm, you were talking about WWII. I pointed out that WWII was actually started by Hitler, not Stalin. Realizing that your bullshit was pwnd harder than Nazi scum charging Pavlov's House, you proceeded to pretend like you never mentioned WWII in the first place. Self-defense was addressing WWII. It wasn't addressing post-WWII Europe, since that actually took place after WWII. It wasn't addressing pre-WWII Collectivization either, since that actually took place before WWII. So before you go around accusing others of bias, why don't you learn to comprehend what a timeline is, because thus far, you're failing at that as well. Speaking of failing, that's what Nazis did at Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Kursk, Berlin, and many, many other battles, where they proved to be the inferior troops. Failing's bad, and at least, Stalin didn't get all of his country wrecked, and partitioned, because he started a war that his inferior troops couldn't handle.

[Narland]

As far as overall effect. Mao has the worst body count. History books vary as to Stalin and Hitler. Pol Pot is probably at the top with Hitler for quick psychotic devastation.

[Napkiraly]

Self-defense,you're a funny lad aren't you.

Well, Hitler invaded the USSR. Not the other way around.

So putting in place communist sockpuppet states and thus raping and degrading half of Europe for half a century was also in self-defense?

Against the West yes. And while lots of rapes were committed in the winding down period of WWII by the 50's and onward I highly doubt it was Soviet policy to rape people.

Murdering 1-7 million Ukrainians by starving them to death was also in self-defense?

Has nothing to do with Shof stating a historical fact that the USSR was defending itself from the Nazis...

Labor camps and political crimes were also in self-defense?

Once again, you're detracting from 1941-1945 when the USSR was defending itself from Nazi Germany.

[Shofercia]

I hate them both, but I chose Stalin simply because of body count.

Stalin. People always forget Mao by the way.
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Don't use Rex Curry for information. Ever.

As far as overall effect. Mao has the worst body count, then Stalin, then Hitler. As for quick brutality, Pol Pot is probably at the top, then probably Hitler.

If you're counting Stalin's and Mao's famine deaths, why aren't you counting Hitler's WWII civilian deaths? Is there a real difference between someone dying of starvation in Leningrad, as opposed to in Southern Russia or Northern China? Didn't think so.

[Shofercia]

Self-defense,you're a funny lad aren't you.

Well, Hitler invaded the USSR. Not the other way around.

So putting in place communist sockpuppet states and thus raping and degrading half of Europe for half a century was also in self-defense?

Against the West yes. And while lots of rapes were committed in the winding down period of WWII by the 50's and onward I highly doubt it was Soviet policy to rape people.

Murdering 1-7 million Ukrainians by starving them to death was also in self-defense?

Has nothing to do with Shof stating a historical fact that the USSR was defending itself from the Nazis...

Labor camps and political crimes were also in self-defense?

Once again, you're detracting from 1941-1945 when the USSR was defending itself from Nazi Germany.

Thank you!