Who was worse,Hitler or Stalin?

[CTALNH]

No, I have not. Care to explain what I am missing? And look at you, you're not much better, defending a genocidal crazy man.

You're defending the most notorious man ever. I mean ever. Not even the Vikings could stand up to him; they weren't genocidal. Come on, this should be simple.

Stop this madness Genghis KHAN obviously is the winner here!

[Laerod]

You did not just say that Nazi were leftists did you? :evil:

That's precisely what the national socialists were; they significantly lowered the level of economic freedom the Germans had at the time and forced all larger corporations to be subordinates of the states. That's precisely what leftism is based on, violation of economic freedom.

I told you not to lie earlier. Why do you persist?

[Spreewerke]

Answer; Stalin,

Reason;

20+ million casualties in WWII,

Explanation;

Code 227, Not one step backwards.

Summary;

Hitler was never insane to enforce a retreating clause on his own men. He did try to kill Jews, and several other types, but he is just a mere stain on the large carpet of genocidal leaders.

Stalin left a river, hitler left a stain

Please tell me I'm not the only one who took the last bit of this post completely out of context.

[CTALNH]

Yes I know still a pragmatical issue he never invaded (all other countries capitulated) any expect Finland and they kicked his ass.

Surely you can't be serious

He did invade the Baltic countries. Tens of thousands of Soviet soldiers just suddenly emerged from the Soviet bases which the Baltic countries were basically forced to give to the Soviets, and took over the capitals. At the same time, the Soviet troops crossed the borders. Militaries of Baltic countries simply had no time or resources to put up a fight.

Well thats what capitulation means know?

[Shadyrya]

You're defending the most notorious man ever. I mean ever. Not even the Vikings could stand up to him; they weren't genocidal. Come on, this should be simple.

Stop this madness Genghis KHAN obviously is the winner here!

Eh, the second most genocidal, crazy, notorious man ever.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Hitler was never insane to enforce a retreating clause on his own men. He did try to kill Jews, and several other types, but he is just a mere stain on the large carpet of genocidal leaders.

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, do you? Hitler never allowed his men to retreat, under the pain of death.

[Hippostania]

Surely you can't be serious

He did invade the Baltic countries. Tens of thousands of Soviet soldiers just suddenly emerged from the Soviet bases which the Baltic countries were basically forced to give to the Soviets, and took over the capitals. At the same time, the Soviet troops crossed the borders. Militaries of Baltic countries simply had no time or resources to put up a fight.

Well thats what capitulation means know?

Capitulation happened after the Soviets had crossed the borders for fuck's sake. How is Soviets soldiers crossing into a sovereign country without its permission not an invasion?

[Khelshar]

I think the principle decides. Stalin murdered more then Hitler, to hold his power and remove enemies. Hitler, on the other hand, did that too, AND he killed people because he they were of a specific race. Now, Stalin did the Holodomor, bu still.

[CTALNH]

Well thats what capitulation means know?

Capitulation happened after the Soviets had crossed the borders for fuck's sake. How is Soviets soldiers crossing into a sovereign country without its permission not an invasion?

No really big actual battles happened!They didn't put a fight! Thats what capitulation means!There was no real invasion they just Annexed the countries.Like Hitler did to Austria and Czechoslovakia.
Capitulation (Lat. capitulum, a little head or division; capitulare, to treat upon terms), an agreement in time of war for the surrender to a hostile armed force of a particular body of troops, a town or a territory.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Now, Stalin did the Holodomor, bu still.

Collectivization was a terrible thing. But the kulaks certainly didn't help when they decided to burn their crops rather than give them up. That's known as being stupid for the sake of being stubborn.

[Vistulange]

You did not just say that Nazi were leftists did you?

That's precisely what the national socialists were; they significantly lowered the level of economic freedom the Germans had at the time and forced all larger corporations to be subordinates of the states. That's precisely what leftism is based on, violation of economic freedom.

To Hippostania, the word "left" is the same as "Satanism". Seriously, as long as it isn't leftist, it can be anything, even totalitarian right wingers.

I still say Hitler was definitely the worst.

[Tigeria]

Well... I don't know why, but personally I hate Hitler and Nazis more, but that's probably because I know more about that side of this then the other, truth of of the matter is the only thing I know is Stalin killed 10million of his own people, Hitler was responsible for 60 million people , first the Parliament, then the Communists, then the Jews, and finally the gays, gypsies,ect



Hitler just sounds worse than Stalin

[The Huskar Social Union]

1. German Communists practisedCouncil Communism and Luxumborgism, more lenient libertarian ideologies, that allows for freedom of speech and the sharing of principles and ideology. They wer not like Lenin and the Bolsheviks, infact, Rosa Luxemburg condemned what the Bolsheviks done, she was agains the repression of freedom of speech along with Karl Liebknecht, so no they would not have done that.

1.And Hitler promised bread, work and freedom to the people. Yadda yadda yadda. Doesn't matter what they claimed, if they had gotten into power they'd been just as ruthless as the nazis.

2.Lacks any understanding of what communism actually is and shows that you are against freedom of speech because you want leftwing parties and groups shut down, thus infringing on their rights.

2.I am sorry I want to maintain people's right to manage their own wealth and property without government intervention.

3.No... just No. Actually Read waht Nazism is, and you will see that the only connection to leftism with the nazis was elements of their name, read Laerods thread on this.

3.Sorry, but there is still nothing that would imply that the nazis supported economic freedom, which puts them onto the left side of the economic spectrum.

4.Again, read what Nazism is, a form of rascist expanionism focused on the supremecy of a certain ethnic group and the suppresion and elimination of others. That is what the Nazis did and that is what they would have continued to do after the war had they won, so no it isn ot leftist bullshit or propaganda, it is fact, it is what the ideology is about.

4.National socialism is about anti-globalism, national control of resources and authoritarian state. The only exception to socialism that was practiced in the USSR was that while the Soviets were internationalist and cosmopolitan, the national socialists were anti-globalist and nationalist.

5. He liked the Bulgarians, the Slovaks, the Italians, the Romanians and Germans as well, didnt stop him ordering thousands of them dead or used as slaves if they shared a different political background, if they were disabled or of a certain religion. And for Japan, Do you honestly think he would allow them to keep their own empire for ever? No he would not let them, the same way he would not let Mussolini starting another Roman EMpire, because it would oppose him and the Nazi Party. He would take them over eventually.

5.Oooh, that sounds like Stalin! He liked to send people of certain political or ethnic background to work camps and gulags too! And yes, he would. He stated that numerous times. Please actually try to study Hitler's political views before you start spouting nonsense.

1.How? tell me how? because the were communist? tell me? the German Communists were doing well on their own in Bavaria until the Nazis got into them with the FreiKorps. They did nothing of what you claim, when ordered to kill upper class hostages they refused, russian soldiers had to go to Germany and do it.

2. In Communism, economic property is redistributed, not personal property, people still have their homes and are entitled to it, its their rights. And their is no need to manage their wealth, they dont need it, they get what they need and are helped by the community when they have a problem, and they do the same.

Points 3 4 and 5. So they are communist then because they dont support Economic freedom as much as the capitalists? Nazi Germany had elements of Private Property and economic control, so they are hardly similar to communists who want total public and cooperative ownership of the economy. Nazism is about the racial supremecy of a certain ethnic group, that is the key element of it, Extreme nationalism, No similarities to socialism or communism, and as for the soviet Union being internationalist? the soviet Union only became internationalist in the cold war, They were isolationist before that. And i have studied his politics, i am not spewing nonsense, i am stating facts, ask someone else here, they will tell you exactly the same things i have told you about it. And i know all about what stalin did, but what he did is nothing in comparison to what hte Nazis and hitler wanted to do.

[CTALNH]

1.How? tell me how? because the were communist? tell me? the German Communists were doing well on their own in Bavaria until the Nazis got into them with the FreiKorps. They did nothing of what you claim, when ordered to kill upper class hostages they refused, russian soldiers had to go to Germany and do it.

2. In Communism, economic property is redistributed, not personal property, people still have their homes and are entitled to it, its their rights. And their is no need to manage their wealth, they dont need it, they get what they need and are helped by the community when they have a problem, and they do the same.

Points 3 4 and 5. So they are communist then because they dont support Economic freedom as much as the capitalists? Nazi Germany had elements of Private Property and economic control, so they are hardly similar to communists who want total public and cooperative ownership of the economy. Nazism is about the racial supremecy of a certain ethnic group, that is the key element of it, Extreme nationalism, No similarities to socialism or communism, and as for the soviet Union being internationalist? the soviet Union only became internationalist in the cold war, They were isolationist before that. And i have studied his politics, i am not spewing nonsense, i am stating facts, ask someone else here, they will tell you exactly the same things i have told you about it. And i know all about what stalin did, but what he did is nothing in comparison to what hte Nazis and hitler wanted to do.

Maybe its because I am a Stalinist but the things you are saying about communism are making me angry!
What is this private property of what you are talking about?EVERYTHING IS TO BE STATE OWNED NO EXCEPTIONS

[The Huskar Social Union]

1.How? tell me how? because the were communist? tell me? the German Communists were doing well on their own in Bavaria until the Nazis got into them with the FreiKorps. They did nothing of what you claim, when ordered to kill upper class hostages they refused, russian soldiers had to go to Germany and do it.

2. In Communism, economic property is redistributed, not personal property, people still have their homes and are entitled to it, its their rights. And their is no need to manage their wealth, they dont need it, they get what they need and are helped by the community when they have a problem, and they do the same.

Points 3 4 and 5. So they are communist then because they dont support Economic freedom as much as the capitalists? Nazi Germany had elements of Private Property and economic control, so they are hardly similar to communists who want total public and cooperative ownership of the economy. Nazism is about the racial supremecy of a certain ethnic group, that is the key element of it, Extreme nationalism, No similarities to socialism or communism, and as for the soviet Union being internationalist? the soviet Union only became internationalist in the cold war, They were isolationist before that. And i have studied his politics, i am not spewing nonsense, i am stating facts, ask someone else here, they will tell you exactly the same things i have told you about it. And i know all about what stalin did, but what he did is nothing in comparison to what hte Nazis and hitler wanted to do.

Maybe its because I am a Stalinist but the things you are saying about communism are making me angry!
What is this private property of what you are talking about?EVERYTHING IS TO BE STATE OWNED NO EXCEPTIONS

I didnt say communism has private property... Nazism did. And you are a stalinist so you would get angry with me because you are in favour of an all controlling state with a vanguard party, i am a council communist with trotskyist tendencies so i am against that so we wouldnt get along.

[The Nuclear Fist]

What is this private property of what you are talking about?EVERYTHING IS TO BE STATE OWNED NO EXCEPTIONS

The end stage of Communism is statelessness. In a Communist society, all is communal. There is no state, or at least not a hierarchical one found in Stalinism.

[CTALNH]

What is this private property of what you are talking about?EVERYTHING IS TO BE STATE OWNED NO EXCEPTIONS

The end stage of Communism is statelessness. In a Communist society, all is communal. There is no state, or at least not a hierarchical one found in Stalinism.

Well until we take over the world we are doing it that way!

[The Huskar Social Union]

What is this private property of what you are talking about?EVERYTHING IS TO BE STATE OWNED NO EXCEPTIONS

The end stage of Communism is statelessness. In a Communist society, all is communal. There is no state, or at least not a hierarchical one found in Stalinism.

I think he may have misunderstood what i was saying.

[CTALNH]

The end stage of Communism is statelessness. In a Communist society, all is communal. There is no state, or at least not a hierarchical one found in Stalinism.

I think he may have misunderstood what i was saying.

Please explain!Sorry for the burst I am very fanatic about what I believe!

[The Huskar Social Union]

I think he may have misunderstood what i was saying.

Please explain!Sorry for the burst I am very fanatic about what I believe!

Read my reply to you. I mentioned Nazism had elements of Private property and ownership when hippo was saying they were on the same economic scale. I believe you thought i said communism had this, It doesnt.

[Nordengrund]

Hitler. Though Stalin killed more people, he sided with the Allied Powers in WW2, and he was not a genocidal Nazi Aryan lunatic like Hitler.

[CTALNH]

Please explain!Sorry for the burst I am very fanatic about what I believe!

Read my reply to you. I mentioned Nazism had elements of Private property and ownership when hippo was saying they were on the same economic scale. I believe you thought i said communism had this, It doesnt.

Oh okay then....You do believe that *almost* everything has to be state owned right?

[Ordo Drakul]

Hitler was removed from power and his legacy is to be the most evil man remembered today. Stalin died of old age in power, and still has apologists and a living legacy of evil still in power-guess who was worse.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Read my reply to you. I mentioned Nazism had elements of Private property and ownership when hippo was saying they were on the same economic scale. I believe you thought i said communism had this, It doesnt.

Oh okay then....You do believe that *almost* everything has to be state owned right?

There is no state. there is only the community, we all work together with things, we all own them and decide what must be done, no state with a dictator or a vanguard party. All are equals remember?

[CTALNH]

Hitler was removed from power and his legacy is to be the most evil man remembered today. Stalin died of old age in power, and still has apologists and a living legacy of evil still in power-guess who was worse.

Hitler