Why the mods are bad at their job

[NERVUN]

Then... make a new thread. There's nothing stopping you doing that.

Well, specifically I wanted to start (or find) a thread about the MBTI test, but I saw that this one was locked, apparently for being repetetive.

I probably have just misunderstood the reason it was locked, but perhaps someone could explain.....

I believe Nathi locked it as we had just had a spate of them.

If memory serves, we haven't had any of late and there's nothing stopping a new one.

[Magmia]

Well, specifically I wanted to start (or find) a thread about the MBTI test, but I saw that this one was locked, apparently for being repetetive.

I probably have just misunderstood the reason it was locked, but perhaps someone could explain.....

I believe Nathi locked it as we had just had a spate of them.

If memory serves, we haven't had any of late and there's nothing stopping a new one.

Ah, I see.

Thank you for explaining

[Tmutarakhan]

I said that you could be warned for it, and that changing what derogatory words you used would not change it being trolling. Please try to keep up.

And again, neither Yankee Doodle nor the Great Satan is derogatory, especially when used without malice and understood within context.

In a context of "All Americans are stupid", it would be.

[Tmutarakhan]

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Yes, it's been way too long since we had a whine-about-the-mods thread. My position on your particular issues:
1. A major problem with gravedug threads is that many of the posters in them are gone, or if they are still around, are no longer paying attention to that particular issue, so there is little dialogue. Responding months later to somebody's post has an air of "staircase wit" (NOW I realize what I should have said!)

So?

This place is for dialogue. Talking to ghosts, or to people who are still around but not paying attention to this long-dead thread, is not dialogue. It is just a way of "making yourself right" by having your say with less chance of anyone arguing back.

2&3 seem to be a bit contradictory. Much of the policing has to be done by the posters in-thread; the mods can't be reading all the threads all the time. You are complaining both that the board tends to be "too hard" on people who are arguably acting trollishly, and "too easy" at the same time?

What? They aren't even close to contradicting.

You complain that trolls are chastised too often, and not often enough.

4. Homework threads annoy the hell out of me. I totally approve of that policy.

They don't annoy me.

You've never worked as a teacher, obviously.

5. *meh* I would have to see what you are talking about before I could judge.

Look at Sedge's post history.

That's not how it works here. You are making the claim, you show the source. My experience is that the mods generally have a keen sense of humor.

[Williamson]

i think this should be locked. Something like this getting lock for no real reason can help start my revoltion to overthrow the mods. So yeah mods you should lock this

[Ardchoille]

That Bombadil character, for example, seems to have been here a lot longer than his account date suggests..

Such is the nature of The Eldest, surely? Tom knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless -- before Jolt came from Outside.

..Ardchoille's been plundering my savings for ages

Curating them. Curating. Preserving them from atmospheric deterioration and mad knife-wielding art critics. Taking them outside for healthy walks to downtown bars, bookshops and wonderful little bistros. That sort of thing. I can't help it, I'm just so selfless and determined to give back to the community.

i think this should be locked. Something like this getting lock for no real reason can help start my revoltion to overthrow the mods. So yeah mods you should lock this

*helpfully deletes Williamson's double post*

How's about I leave it unlocked and you can use it as proof that mods stubbornly refuse to listen to reasonable requests from players?

[The Archregimancy]

There is

The GHRs are only for in-game problems (flaming TGs or bad flags), not for the forum.

Why should there be anonymous informing? Why should people be able to make random accusations without the person being accused know who's accusing about them and why?

Historical precedent suggests that a regime based on anonymous accusations of misbehaviour encourages tyranny.

"The main charge against Tiberius is that he brought about public ruin. During the early part of his reign, he had supposedly endorsed and encouraged maiestas trials, which resulted in a large number of informers or delatores, who were "a class invented to destroy the commonwealth" (IV.30). Essentially, the social fabric was destroyed in the resulting fear and distrust of fellow Romans. Moreover, an inversion of power resentful such that it was no longer one's position, such as on the cursus honorum, which determined power. Instead, power fell into the hands of the ignoble. Tacitus describes Caepio Crispinus, an informer, as follows: "Needy, obscure, and restless, he wormed himself by stealthy informations into the confidence of a vindictive prince, and soon imperiled all the most distinguished citizens; and having thus gained influence with one, hatred from all besides, he left an example in following which beggars became wealthy, the insignificant, formidable, and brought ruin first on others, finally on themselves" (I.74). It is clear from this description that not only were the informers hated for bringing about public ruin, but that Tiberius was regarded as ultimately responsible because he abetted them. This sentiment is also corroborated by another passage describing how Tiberius stood up for the informers and said "Better to subvert the constitution than to remove its guardians" (VI.30)."

Roman numerals refer to passages in Tacitus' Annals.

[Condunum]

That Bombadil character, for example, seems to have been here a lot longer than his account date suggests..

Such is the nature of The Eldest, surely? Tom knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless -- before Jolt came from Outside.

..Ardchoille's been plundering my savings for ages

Curating them. Curating. Preserving them from atmospheric deterioration and mad knife-wielding art critics. Taking them outside for healthy walks to downtown bars, bookshops and wonderful little bistros. That sort of thing. I can't help it, I'm just so selfless and determined to give back to the community.

i think this should be locked. Something like this getting lock for no real reason can help start my revoltion to overthrow the mods. So yeah mods you should lock this

*helpfully deletes Williamson's double post*

How's about I leave it unlocked and you can use it as proof that mods stubbornly refuse to listen to reasonable requests from players?

This is, obviously, more proof that you are all communist, fetus-eating, liberal hating, conservative, anarcho-capistalist, facist, McCarthyist.

[New Vaticana]

Just throwing this out there: it seems that there's ample reason to defend the mods. To quote the section most relevant to this thread:

I am consistent, usually being first in line to support moderators—even when they're on the other side from me of the internal politics. I know what happens when an online community starts questioning its moderators. Any political enemy I have on a mailing list who's popular enough to be dangerous is probably not someone who would abuse that particular power of censorship, and when they put on their moderator's hat, I vocally support them—they need urging on, not restraining. People who've grown up in academia simply don't realize how strong are the walls of exclusion that keep the trolls out of their lovely garden of "free speech".

[AiliailiA]

I believe Nathi locked it as we had just had a spate of them.

If memory serves, we haven't had any of late and there's nothing stopping a new one.

Ah, I see.

Thank you for explaining

I think you could make it more interesting than that. That thread is basically a list of people calling out four letter combinations, which is considerably less interesting than a "what do you look like?" thread with pictures.

If you're going to do it, I suggest in the OP: "Does your result seem right to you?" or maybe even the provocative "which classification is best?" to get some discussion going.

It's a shame a ten-option poll can't cover all the options.
Not just for this, but 20-option polls would be good. Perhaps by application: the poster wanting such a poll would show a mod the OP and the first ten options, say why they want more, then if approved the Mod could add extra options to the poll for them to fill in. I don't know if that's technically possible though.

[Esternial]

Mods definitely have too much sarcasm, I'll tell you that.

No! Really?

Now you're just pushing it.

[AiliailiA]

No! Really?

Now you're just pushing it.

Grow a thicker skin.

At least, that's what Katganistan said to me once. I'm guessing hoping her skin is like a crocodile's.

[Ardchoille]

<snip> I'm guessing hoping her skin is like a crocodile's.

Oooh, burn! I'll have you know Kat's skin is dewy perfection. However, like all mods, she has developed the hide of a rhino (no US political provocation intended here).

[Seperates]

<snip> I'm guessing hoping her skin is like a crocodile's.

Oooh, burn! I'll have you know Kat's skin is dewy perfection. However, like all mods, she has developed the hide of a rhino (no US political provocation intended here).

Basically you are saying that her skin basically plush kevlar?

[Ethel mermania]

The GHRs are only for in-game problems (flaming TGs or bad flags), not for the forum.

Why should there be anonymous informing? Why should people be able to make random accusations without the person being accused know who's accusing about them and why?

Historical precedent suggests that a regime based on anonymous accusations of misbehaviour encourages tyranny.

"The main charge against Tiberius is that he brought about public ruin. During the early part of his reign, he had supposedly endorsed and encouraged maiestas trials, which resulted in a large number of informers or delatores, who were "a class invented to destroy the commonwealth" (IV.30). Essentially, the social fabric was destroyed in the resulting fear and distrust of fellow Romans. Moreover, an inversion of power resentful such that it was no longer one's position, such as on the cursus honorum, which determined power. Instead, power fell into the hands of the ignoble. Tacitus describes Caepio Crispinus, an informer, as follows: "Needy, obscure, and restless, he wormed himself by stealthy informations into the confidence of a vindictive prince, and soon imperiled all the most distinguished citizens; and having thus gained influence with one, hatred from all besides, he left an example in following which beggars became wealthy, the insignificant, formidable, and brought ruin first on others, finally on themselves" (I.74). It is clear from this description that not only were the informers hated for bringing about public ruin, but that Tiberius was regarded as ultimately responsible because he abetted them. This sentiment is also corroborated by another passage describing how Tiberius stood up for the informers and said "Better to subvert the constitution than to remove its guardians" (VI.30)."

Roman numerals refer to passages in Tacitus' Annals.

Just cause he was mean to derek jacobi is no reason to blame tyranical mod repression on james tiberius kirk.

Just another example of the hamster shirking the wheel. *nods*, and goes off to take meds,*

[Ardchoille]

Basically you are saying that her skin basically plush kevlar?

Basically I am saying that I have sufficient respect for my skin not to speculate further.

[Esternial]

Basically you are saying that her skin basically plush kevlar?

Basically I am saying that I have sufficient respect for my skin not to speculate further.

Bulletproof kitty fur

[AiliailiA]

<snip> I'm guessing hoping her skin is like a crocodile's.

Oooh, burn! I'll have you know Kat's skin is dewy perfection. However, like all mods, she has developed the hide of a rhino (no US political provocation intended here).

We all grow a second skin (rhino or gator) to cope with the crazy shit no-one would ever say to us in real life.

But that's the price we pay isn't it? Like wearing a wetsuit to go diving, or wearing a suit in court. Internet is best enjoyed while wearing a supplementary hide.

[AiliailiA]

Basically I am saying that I have sufficient respect for my skin not to speculate further.

Bulletproof kitty fur

But nothing is fool-proof.

[Katganistan]

Now you're just pushing it.

Grow a thicker skin.

At least, that's what Katganistan said to me once. I'm guessing hoping her skin is like a crocodile's.

I'd tell you what it's like, but the prose wouldn't be any better than E.L. James' and we certainly don't need to propagate THAT here.

Oooh, burn! I'll have you know Kat's skin is dewy perfection. However, like all mods, she has developed the hide of a rhino (no US political provocation intended here).

Basically you are saying that her skin basically plush kevlar?

I deal with you lot all the time and with teens ten months a year on a daily basis. What do you think?

[Risottia]

Historical precedent suggests that a regime based on anonymous accusations of misbehaviour encourages tyranny.

Not only: tyrannies often encourage anonymous accusations of misbehaviour, as poor Josef K. learned.

[The Blaatschapen]

Grow a thicker skin.

At least, that's what Katganistan said to me once. I'm guessing hoping her skin is like a crocodile's.

I'd tell you what it's like, but the prose wouldn't be any better than E.L. James' and we certainly don't need to propagate THAT here.

Basically you are saying that her skin basically plush kevlar?

I deal with you lot all the time and with teens ten months a year on a daily basis. What do you think?

I think that you have a couple of spare skins lying around.

[Esternial]

I'd tell you what it's like, but the prose wouldn't be any better than E.L. James' and we certainly don't need to propagate THAT here.

I deal with you lot all the time and with teens ten months a year on a daily basis. What do you think?

I think that you have a couple of spare skins lying around.

I think she's more of a Kat Cobra that shed's her old skin.

[TaQud]

I think that you have a couple of spare skins lying around.

I think she's more of a Kat Cobra that shed's her old skin.

then she would need to grow some skin often

[Blakk Metal]

So?

This place is for dialogue. Talking to ghosts, or to people who are still around but not paying attention to this long-dead thread, is not dialogue. It is just a way of "making yourself right" by having your say with less chance of anyone arguing back.

That isn't how gravedigging works.

What? They aren't even close to contradicting.

You complain that trolls are chastised too often in NSG, by the regular posters, and not often enough by the mods.

Clarified.

They don't annoy me.

You've never worked as a teacher, obviously.

The answers are always false anyways.

Look at Sedge's post history.

That's not how it works here. You are making the claim, you show the source. My experience is that the mods generally have a keen sense of humor.

That wasn't how you acted in the circ thread.