Why the mods are bad at their job

[NERVUN]

...ok. Wow...um...

Now with this revelation, the prospect of Modly Pole Dancing at the next Mod Olympics as previously suggested might be worth it...

Then again... Fris on a pole... Not to mention me... Never mind.

[Srboslavija]

You dun lucked out that it was a New Zealand mod who saw it and assumed penis reference ("doodle") - for which I was warned.

I don't know much but I do know that is HIGHLY unlikely.

Unless a third party can clarify the alleged derogative nature of it, the liberties of my account were violated for three days without merit.

There was a meme photo going around when Facebook switched to the Timeline layout that went along the lines of 'wah, someone has changed something on a free service I use and it's ruined my life'.. that somewhat applies here.

..or something: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21 ... s.jpg/sr=1

It's a matter of principle.

In any event, thanks for adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

[NERVUN]

If you actually understood the origin of that you'd understand how it can be derogatory.

An outdated, Anglo-American patriotic song that I became familiar with watching the Roger Ramjet cartoon as a kid. You dun lucked out that it was a New Zealand mod who saw it and assumed penis reference ("doodle") - for which I was warned.

Unless a third party can clarify the alleged derogative nature of it, the liberties of my account were violated for three days without merit.

Given this was explained to you, repeatedly, by various Mods...

[Forsher]

4. Homework Questions
See no. 1.

I don't care much. Anyone with a half a brain could phrase a question so it doesn't LOOK like homework, but if they had the full brain they wouldn't snip answers into their homework because their teacher can quite easily find the original here.

If I had the motivation I'd create a thread about George Bush and his views on the Invasion of Afghanistan. I would not mention homework, school or anything vaguely connected to education ("is our children learning" would not feature). In short there would be absolutely nothing that indicates that this is my homework (due Friday, thanks for asking) and not just another random political thread. In fact, a number of people probably have done something like that.

[Forsher]

Just a question, Yankee Doodle is that song with a feather put in a hat, right?

[Bombadil]

I don't know much but I do know that is HIGHLY unlikely.



There was a meme photo going around when Facebook switched to the Timeline layout that went along the lines of 'wah, someone has changed something on a free service I use and it's ruined my life'.. that somewhat applies here.

..or something: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21 ... s.jpg/sr=1

It's a matter of principle.

In any event, thanks for adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

You're welcome, it's almost my calling card.

[NERVUN]

Just a question, Yankee Doodle is that song with a feather put in a hat, right?

And called it Macaroni, yes.

It was a song sung to make fun of the Americans during the Revolution, which, much to the annoyance of the British, the Americans liked, took, and made it a quazi-anthem.

But it wasn't Yankee Doodle that got him warned.

[Zevassa]

1. NSG moves too damn fast. We ban gravedigs because by the time a thread has been buried a few weeks I'd be willing to bet buttons to dollars that it is down to two or four people going round and around and around again as well as we've had yet another thread on the topic.

I used to run a forum that was about as active as these forums are. Speaking from personal experience, I think that instantly banning for grave digging is pointless. If somebody new wants to post new, relevant discussion materials 30 days later than the previous post (even if it's 9 years later), then there's really no reason to lock it considering the discussion is relevant and is a positive contribution.

Having said that, if it's just blatant spam then I agree, close the topic, and if it's a constant problem, warn the person or ban them.

As a general statement though I find banning people for gravedigging to be completely pointless except in a small handful of situations. It's something that I've always chalked up to laziness, even in fast-paced forums such as these. Again, speaking from experience. I completely understand that it's your decision to make; I just find black/white enforcement of any rule to be pretty much the epitome of impracticality.

[San Leggera]

Speaking from personal experience, I think that instantly banning for grave digging is pointless.

They don't. They just ban the act of gravedigging. If someone gravedigs, I believe they get a knock-it-off or a TG to say that it's wrong. If it's a serial gravedig, then they get warned.

(from my observation of how mods handle gravedigs)

[Reploid Productions]

1. NSG moves too damn fast. We ban gravedigs because by the time a thread has been buried a few weeks I'd be willing to bet buttons to dollars that it is down to two or four people going round and around and around again as well as we've had yet another thread on the topic.

I used to run a forum that was about as active as these forums are. Speaking from personal experience, I think that instantly banning for grave digging is pointless. If somebody new wants to post new, relevant discussion materials 30 days later than the previous post (even if it's 9 years later), then there's really no reason to lock it considering the discussion is relevant and is a positive contribution.

Having said that, if it's just blatant spam then I agree, close the topic, and if it's a constant problem, warn the person or ban them.

As a general statement though I find banning people for gravedigging to be completely pointless except in a small handful of situations. It's something that I've always chalked up to laziness, even in fast-paced forums such as these. Again, speaking from experience. I completely understand that it's your decision to make; I just find black/white enforcement of any rule to be pretty much the epitome of impracticality.

We almost never warn, let alone ban anybody for gravedigging. It was mentioned earlier in the thread that it takes a special sort to get warned/banned over it. (Such as chronic gravedigging with spammish posts.) Most of the time the only action taken on a gravedig report is to lock the thread, no warnings given.

[NERVUN]

1. NSG moves too damn fast. We ban gravedigs because by the time a thread has been buried a few weeks I'd be willing to bet buttons to dollars that it is down to two or four people going round and around and around again as well as we've had yet another thread on the topic.

I used to run a forum that was about as active as these forums are. Speaking from personal experience, I think that instantly banning for grave digging is pointless. If somebody new wants to post new, relevant discussion materials 30 days later than the previous post (even if it's 9 years later), then there's really no reason to lock it considering the discussion is relevant and is a positive contribution.

Having said that, if it's just blatant spam then I agree, close the topic, and if it's a constant problem, warn the person or ban them.

As a general statement though I find banning people for gravedigging to be completely pointless except in a small handful of situations. It's something that I've always chalked up to laziness, even in fast-paced forums such as these. Again, speaking from experience. I completely understand that it's your decision to make; I just find black/white enforcement of any rule to be pretty much the epitome of impracticality.

We don't ban people for gravedigging. Hell, I think I've handed out maybe 2 warnings for it, and that was in the face of someone who simply was going to the start date of the forum and randomly bumping threads.

Honestly, you REALLY have to work at it to get something other than just a thread lock and some kind of semi-humorous comment about killing zombies.

[AiliailiA]

I don't care much. Anyone with a half a brain could phrase a question so it doesn't LOOK like homework, but if they had the full brain they wouldn't snip answers into their homework because their teacher can quite easily find the original here.

If I had the motivation I'd create a thread about George Bush and his views on the Invasion of Afghanistan. I would not mention homework, school or anything vaguely connected to education ("is our children learning" would not feature). In short there would be absolutely nothing that indicates that this is my homework (due Friday, thanks for asking) and not just another random political thread. In fact, a number of people probably have done something like that.

Yeah, but you'd only do it to get a range of opinions and pointers to sources to use. You'd still write the thing yourself, right?

Snipping someone else's stuff and changing a few words isn't likely to work. For instance, a phrase from the post I'm replying to finds your post with Google already. I used ""In short there would be absolutely nothing that indicates that this is my homework" and it's there.

[Forsher]

I used to run a forum that was about as active as these forums are. Speaking from personal experience, I think that instantly banning for grave digging is pointless. If somebody new wants to post new, relevant discussion materials 30 days later than the previous post (even if it's 9 years later), then there's really no reason to lock it considering the discussion is relevant and is a positive contribution.

Having said that, if it's just blatant spam then I agree, close the topic, and if it's a constant problem, warn the person or ban them.

As a general statement though I find banning people for gravedigging to be completely pointless except in a small handful of situations. It's something that I've always chalked up to laziness, even in fast-paced forums such as these. Again, speaking from experience. I completely understand that it's your decision to make; I just find black/white enforcement of any rule to be pretty much the epitome of impracticality.

We don't ban people for gravedigging. Hell, I think I've handed out maybe 2 warnings for it, and that was in the face of someone who simply was going to the start date of the forum and randomly bumping threads.

Honestly, you REALLY have to work at it to get something other than just a thread lock and some kind of semi-humorous comment about killing zombies.

If I were to grab twenty threads at the end of the forum and post in them all do you reckon I could get, say, a six hour ban?

[Katganistan]

\ Don't the mods have better things to do ... Like, you know, ... RP (I'd love to see some of these guys in Portal or II).

I be in Portal. And a number of us RP in Nationstates.

[Zevassa]

I don't necessarily believe that the topic should even be locked if the contributed content is relevant/new, but again, I recognize that I'm not the one making decisions here. Sounds like you've got a fair policy anyway.

[Reploid Productions]

We don't ban people for gravedigging. Hell, I think I've handed out maybe 2 warnings for it, and that was in the face of someone who simply was going to the start date of the forum and randomly bumping threads.

Honestly, you REALLY have to work at it to get something other than just a thread lock and some kind of semi-humorous comment about killing zombies.

If I were to grab twenty threads at the end of the forum and post in them all do you reckon I could get, say, a six hour ban?

Probably a warning and boilerplate Voice of Mod telegram with an explanation and link to the rules, and then a 1-day ban if the behavior continued.

[AiliailiA]

I think gravedigging is usually accidental.

[Forsher]

If I had the motivation I'd create a thread about George Bush and his views on the Invasion of Afghanistan. I would not mention homework, school or anything vaguely connected to education ("is our children learning" would not feature). In short there would be absolutely nothing that indicates that this is my homework (due Friday, thanks for asking) and not just another random political thread. In fact, a number of people probably have done something like that.

Yeah, but you'd only do it to get a range of opinions and pointers to sources to use. You'd still write the thing yourself, right?

Snipping someone else's stuff and changing a few words isn't likely to work. For instance, a phrase from the post I'm replying to finds your post with Google already. I used ""In short there would be absolutely nothing that indicates that this is my homework" and it's there.

In my case, yes. However, I'm not some dishonest student and it would also weaken my case (I've actually posted an assessment on Arts and Fiction before so if some moderator, for NCEA, decided to check its authenticity in some random test more than a year later I'd have some funny questions) were I to do anything dodgy.

However, some dihonest student probably would. And besides, very few posters use sources. One would have to hang around long enough to get an argument going.

[AiliailiA]

If I were to grab twenty threads at the end of the forum and post in them all do you reckon I could get, say, a six hour ban?

Probably a warning and boilerplate Voice of Mod telegram with an explanation and link to the rules, and then a 1-day ban if the behavior continued.

Yeah, but then you'd be helping Forsher finish his homework. Isn't there a rule against that?

[Zevassa]

If I had the motivation I'd create a thread about George Bush and his views on the Invasion of Afghanistan. I would not mention homework, school or anything vaguely connected to education ("is our children learning" would not feature). In short there would be absolutely nothing that indicates that this is my homework (due Friday, thanks for asking) and not just another random political thread. In fact, a number of people probably have done something like that.

Yeah, but you'd only do it to get a range of opinions and pointers to sources to use. You'd still write the thing yourself, right?

Snipping someone else's stuff and changing a few words isn't likely to work. For instance, a phrase from the post I'm replying to finds your post with Google already. I used ""In short there would be absolutely nothing that indicates that this is my homework" and it's there.

Just remember that Google (especially if you're using Chrome) tries to personalize your searches for you and promotes sites such as Wikipedia toward the top regardless of how relevant it might be to your search. In this case it's pretty clear since that's a specific enough string to search with; I'm just saying that it might be beneficial to use sites like DuckDuckGo, Bing, Yahoo! and Ask as well as Google when trying to shift out plagiarism or multi-site spamming.

[Forsher]

If I were to grab twenty threads at the end of the forum and post in them all do you reckon I could get, say, a six hour ban?

Probably a warning and boilerplate Voice of Mod telegram with an explanation and link to the rules, and then a 1-day ban if the behavior continued.

Are you sure? I could really use a six-hour ban right now.

Probably a warning and boilerplate Voice of Mod telegram with an explanation and link to the rules, and then a 1-day ban if the behavior continued.

Yeah, but then you'd be helping Forsher finish his homework. Isn't there a rule against that?

I'm seen through!

[Zevassa]

I think gravedigging is usually accidental.

This is primarily why I think it's fine as long as it's contributing to a topic positively.

[AiliailiA]

Yeah, but you'd only do it to get a range of opinions and pointers to sources to use. You'd still write the thing yourself, right?

Snipping someone else's stuff and changing a few words isn't likely to work. For instance, a phrase from the post I'm replying to finds your post with Google already. I used ""In short there would be absolutely nothing that indicates that this is my homework" and it's there.

In my case, yes. However, I'm not some dishonest student and it would also weaken my case (I've actually posted an assessment on Arts and Fiction before so if some moderator, for NCEA, decided to check its authenticity in some random test more than a year later I'd have some funny questions) were I to do anything dodgy.

However, some dihonest student probably would. And besides, very few posters use sources. One would have to hang around long enough to get an argument going.

One of ASB's long posts could be worked up into a full length essay. You'd get an A (if the plagiarism went undetected) or an F (if not).

And no, "that poster is actually me" isn't going to fly.

[Reploid Productions]

Forsher, sign out and go do your homework or else no delicious cookies for you!

[Individuality-ness]

Forsher, sign out and go do your homework or else no delicious cookies for you!

We're students, Reppy, procrastination is our life. Due today = do today.