Kill the women first.

[Maurepas]

What if they use a bendy straw?

Good point. They have something like that, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_urination_device

it does not work nearly as well as advertised from what I understand. Its basically pissing in a funnel with a hose strapped to yourself. imagine how it would work for you.

I was imagining a bendy straw duct-taped (Note: duct tape is mandatory. cuz duct-tape is awesome) to a woman's crotch, and being duct-taped to the "bottle" in question. jJst a thought.

My first thought was these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_Absorbency_Garment

[Lacadaemon]

And Starship Troopers is on the reading lists of the Army, Navy, and Marine Corps, as well as four out of the five US military academies.

Talk about the dumbing down of America.

[Grave_n_idle]

So, we've decided to write a letter to Parliament (the legislative body, not the band) and to ranking Staff Officers suggesting that we stop all this discriminatory twaddle and start allowing women to volunteer for front line duty. We hope you Yanks will do the same.

Well, IIRC, women DO serve frontline in the US military. Course, I could be wrong.

However, there's the whole problem with the whole Time of the Month... one thing's for sure, if you have female soldiers, you don't want them having their periods in the middle of combat.

God no. There'd be blood everywhere. All over the battlefield.

Ah.

[New Kereptica]

And Starship Troopers is on the reading lists of the Army, Navy, and Marine Corps, as well as four out of the five US military academies.

Talk about the dumbing down of America.

Indeed. Some of Heinlein's earlier stuff was good, but the later...

[Maurepas]

So, we've decided to write a letter to Parliament (the legislative body, not the band) and to ranking Staff Officers suggesting that we stop all this discriminatory twaddle and start allowing women to volunteer for front line duty. We hope you Yanks will do the same.

Well, IIRC, women DO serve frontline in the US military. Course, I could be wrong.

However, there's the whole problem with the whole Time of the Month... one thing's for sure, if you have female soldiers, you don't want them having their periods in the middle of combat.

God no. There'd be blood everywhere. All over the battlefield.

Ah.

[Barringtonia]

So, we've decided to write a letter to Parliament (the legislative body, not the band) and to ranking Staff Officers suggesting that we stop all this discriminatory twaddle and start allowing women to volunteer for front line duty. We hope you Yanks will do the same.

Well, IIRC, women DO serve frontline in the US military. Course, I could be wrong.

However, there's the whole problem with the whole Time of the Month... one thing's for sure, if you have female soldiers, you don't want them having their periods in the middle of combat.

I think they're more preoccupied with all the bullets flying around.

That, and I think stress causes women to have irregular periods. But I'm a boy, so wtf do I know?

It's still going to get ugly, and I don't just mean with menstrual fluids all over the place...

Isn't that a good thing, you could just say 'I think the enemy just asked if you were being irrationally angry cos it's that time of month, yeah, those enemies, over there...'

Shock and awe is what you would see.

[The Rifle Brigade]

Okay, I re-edited the OP to widen the topic.

[The Rifle Brigade]

Isn't that a good thing, you could just say 'I think the enemy just asked if you were being irrationally angry cos it's that time of month, yeah, those enemies, over there...'

Shock and awe is what you would see.

Now you're just giving cause for the Russians to weaponize Midol.

[Aelosia]

I have used said "devices" plenty of times and they are useful even when you can't easily open your legs. So I think those may work inside a tank. Although the only time I have been inside a tank was in a museum.

I can't believe you have never heard of female urinating gadgets before. Are you sure you are either girls, or have you ever touched one of those thing sknown as women? Have you ever gone to a concert? Excursions? Whoah.

[Lucky Bicycle Works]

What if they use a bendy straw?

Good point. They have something like that, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_urination_device

it does not work nearly as well as advertised from what I understand. Its basically pissing in a funnel with a hose strapped to yourself. imagine how it would work for you.

I was imagining a bendy straw duct-taped (Note: duct tape is mandatory. cuz duct-tape is awesome) to a woman's crotch, and being duct-taped to the "bottle" in question. jJst a thought.

As Mur'v said, it takes a bit of ingenuity to piss in a bottle, but it's not impossible. And it doesn't require duct tape (sorry).

We didn't hear such arguments for why women shouldn't go into space, did we?

If pissing in a bottle is impossible for women, it should be doubly impossible in zero gravity. But we didn't hear that argument, oh no.

It'll tell you why not. The USSR did it first.

[Virtud Tierra]

What if they use a bendy straw?

Good point. They have something like that, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_urination_device

it does not work nearly as well as advertised from what I understand. Its basically pissing in a funnel with a hose strapped to yourself. imagine how it would work for you.

I was imagining a bendy straw duct-taped (Note: duct tape is mandatory. cuz duct-tape is awesome) to a woman's crotch, and being duct-taped to the "bottle" in question. jJst a thought.

My first thought was these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_Absorbency_Garment

Ok, you also realize that you would have two uniforms to cycle through in a 2 week period, right? Pissing your pants, no matter how 'maximum" your absorbency is, is an increased chance for urinary tract infections and everything else. I don't have a vagina but I know that having a soiled rag pressed to your special lady parts for 4 hours in the 140 degree humid environes of a tank wearing the same uniform you've been wearing for 8 days already is a bad idea.

Men don't have the same risks for urinary tract infections. You know why?

[Virtud Tierra]

What if they use a bendy straw?

Good point. They have something like that, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_urination_device

it does not work nearly as well as advertised from what I understand. Its basically pissing in a funnel with a hose strapped to yourself. imagine how it would work for you.

I was imagining a bendy straw duct-taped (Note: duct tape is mandatory. cuz duct-tape is awesome) to a woman's crotch, and being duct-taped to the "bottle" in question. jJst a thought.

As Mur'v said, it takes a bit of ingenuity to piss in a bottle, but it's not impossible. And it doesn't require duct tape (sorry).

We didn't hear such arguments for why women shouldn't go into space, did we?

If pissing in a bottle is impossible for women, it should be doubly impossible in zero gravity. But we didn't hear that argument, oh no.

It'll tell you why not. The USSR did it first.

They had space-suits man! You can piss in a space-suit you can't piss your pants in a tank. A tank isn't a space ship! We don't wear spacesuits in a tank, we wear some mono-colored green NOMEX coveralls which does not cost the taxpayer 12 million dollars, unlike a goddamn space suit.

Come on man, I know pissing in zero-G would be tough but they have a space station, a space suit and they don't need to drink 3 quarts of water an hour to stay alive.

[Maurepas]

What if they use a bendy straw?

Good point. They have something like that, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_urination_device

it does not work nearly as well as advertised from what I understand. Its basically pissing in a funnel with a hose strapped to yourself. imagine how it would work for you.

I was imagining a bendy straw duct-taped (Note: duct tape is mandatory. cuz duct-tape is awesome) to a woman's crotch, and being duct-taped to the "bottle" in question. jJst a thought.

My first thought was these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_Absorbency_Garment

Ok, you also realize that you would have two uniforms to cycle through in a 2 week period, right? Pissing your pants, no matter how 'maximum" your absorbency is, is an increased chance for urinary tract infections and everything else. I don't have a vagina but I know that having a soiled rag pressed to your special lady parts for 4 hours in the 140 degree humid environes of a tank wearing the same uniform you've been wearing for 8 days already is a bad idea.

Men don't have the same risks for urinary tract infections. You know why?

Noted, as has been stated, its not a real concern, however,

[Virtud Tierra]

Noted, as has been stated, its not a real concern, however,

How is a urinary tract infection not a concern?

[New Kereptica]

They had space-suits man! You can piss in a space-suit you can't piss your pants in a tank. A tank isn't a space ship! We don't wear spacesuits in a tank, we wear some mono-colored green NOMEX coveralls which does not cost the taxpayer 12 million dollars, unlike a goddamn space suit.

Come on man, I know pissing in zero-G would be tough but they have a space station, a space suit and they don't need to drink 3 quarts of water an hour to stay alive.

In Soviet Russia, space suit cost 38 rubles and 5 day ration of vodka.

[Maurepas]

Noted, as has been stated, its not a real concern, however,

How is a urinary tract infection not a concern?

The not being able to piss in a bottle crisis, isnt a real concern,

[Virtud Tierra]

Noted, as has been stated, its not a real concern, however,

How is a urinary tract infection not a concern?

The not being able to piss in a bottle crisis, isnt a real concern,

It is a real concern, dude. I know it sounds silly, but if you can't drink enough water, you will probably die. If you can't effectively piss in a bottle inside of a cramped tank in front of a couple of dudes, you cannot do the former.

Yeah, you have to be able to piss in bottles if you are a tanker. A penis, oh man, that is really what lets the mission charlie-mike toward victory.

[Maurepas]

Noted, as has been stated, its not a real concern, however,

How is a urinary tract infection not a concern?

The not being able to piss in a bottle crisis, isnt a real concern,

It is a real concern, dude. I know it sounds silly, but if you can't drink enough water, you will probably die. If you can't effectively piss in a bottle inside of a cramped tank in front of a couple of dudes, you cannot do the former.

Yeah, you have to be able to piss in bottles if you are a tanker. A penis, oh man, that is really what lets the mission charlie-mike toward victory.

I almost dont want to say this, but...

Prove a Woman cant effectively piss in a bottle inside a tank.

[Anti-Social Darwinism]

i uh think the women could get the morale up in the army if you know what i mean

http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qs ... 5001896680

Nope. Statistics show that mixed gender units have the worst morale in the Army. You know a good way to turn life-long friends into enemies and how to produce knife-fights in the barracks parking lot? Throw in one, decent looking female into the unit. Next thing you know, you have a posse of guys carrying this soldier's tools, escorting her everywhere and everyone intenetly trying to get into this woman's pants and she is loving every moment of it, she is climbing the rank structure in more then one sense of the term.

If you want people to focus on the mission and focus on the job, you remove all distractions. A single female surrounded by 30 guys is going to serve as a distraction and you will have people going to their cave-man roots and fighting over her since she is like the last woman on earth in that tiny social group.

Statistics can show whatever you want them to show. All you have to do is pick and choose.

My daughter was on a mixed-gender ship for three years when she was in the Navy. The ship was a Destroyer-Tender, crew of about 1750, @800 were women - both officers and enlisted. Morale was no better or worse than the all-male ships. I know, because my son was on an all-male Destroyer on the other side of the world and his stories of morale issues bore this out. Anecdotal, I know, but anecdotes are part of the data-set. Oddly enough, he told me that when he was assigned to another Destroyer at a later date, one with a mixed crew, morale actually improved.

And no one, not even the military bureaucracy, would be stupid enough to put one woman in with a bunch of men and expect it to work well. I suspect that any bureaucrat who did that was actually setting it up to fail.

[Anti-Social Darwinism]

So, we've decided to write a letter to Parliament (the legislative body, not the band) and to ranking Staff Officers suggesting that we stop all this discriminatory twaddle and start allowing women to volunteer for front line duty. We hope you Yanks will do the same.

Well, IIRC, women DO serve frontline in the US military. Course, I could be wrong.

However, there's the whole problem with the whole Time of the Month... one thing's for sure, if you have female soldiers, you don't want them having their periods in the middle of combat.

I think they're more preoccupied with all the bullets flying around.

That, and I think stress causes women to have irregular periods. But I'm a boy, so wtf do I know?

It's still going to get ugly, and I don't just mean with menstrual fluids all over the place...

Actually, there are meds that take care of that - just in case you haven't been paying attention to recent medical advances.

[Virtud Tierra]

I almost dont want to say this, but...

Prove a Woman cant effectively piss in a bottle inside a tank.

Come on now, I already have an example of the conditions inside of the tank and makes my point clear of why it is not a simple thing to do. If thought experiments work for quantum physics they work for the physics of pissing in a bottle in a cramped seat, ok?

You want me to show you a picture of a women sitting in the gunner's seat trying to manuvere a bottle to to piss in while her tank commander is resting his legs on her shoulders?

Well sorry, I don't have any pictures like that because there is no such thing as a woman tanker.

[Anti-Social Darwinism]

I almost dont want to say this, but...

Prove a Woman cant effectively piss in a bottle inside a tank.

Come on now, I already have an example of the conditions inside of the tank and makes my point clear of why it is not a simple thing to do. If thought experiments work for quantum physics they work for the physics of pissing in a bottle in a cramped seat, ok?

You want me to show you a picture of a women sitting in the gunner's seat trying to manuvere a bottle to to piss in while her tank commander is resting his legs on her shoulders?

Well sorry, I don't have any pictures like that because there is no such thing as a woman tanker.

This from Wikipedia about women in the Russian militlary during WWII

[edit] Land forces
The Soviet Union also used women for sniping duties extensively, and to great effect, including Nina Alexeyevna Lobkovskaya and Ukrainian Lyudmila Pavlichenko (who killed over 300 enemy soldiers). The Soviets found that sniper duties fit women well, since good snipers are patient, careful, deliberate, can avoid hand-to-hand combat, and need higher levels of aerobic conditioning than other troops. Women also served as machine gunners, tank drivers, medics, communication personnel and political officers. Manshuk Mametova was a machine gunner from Kazakhstan and was the first Soviet Asian woman to receive the Hero of the Soviet Union for acts of bravery.

So, yes, women drove tanks in wartime - not the nice, big luxurious tanks of today, but tiny, cramped WWII Soviet tanks.

[Lucky Bicycle Works]

What if they use a bendy straw?

Good point. They have something like that, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_urination_device

it does not work nearly as well as advertised from what I understand. Its basically pissing in a funnel with a hose strapped to yourself. imagine how it would work for you.

I was imagining a bendy straw duct-taped (Note: duct tape is mandatory. cuz duct-tape is awesome) to a woman's crotch, and being duct-taped to the "bottle" in question. jJst a thought.

As Mur'v said, it takes a bit of ingenuity to piss in a bottle, but it's not impossible. And it doesn't require duct tape (sorry).

We didn't hear such arguments for why women shouldn't go into space, did we?

If pissing in a bottle is impossible for women, it should be doubly impossible in zero gravity. But we didn't hear that argument, oh no.

It'll tell you why not. The USSR did it first.

They had space-suits man! You can piss in a space-suit you can't piss your pants in a tank. A tank isn't a space ship! We don't wear spacesuits in a tank, we wear some mono-colored green NOMEX coveralls which does not cost the taxpayer 12 million dollars, unlike a goddamn space suit.

Come on man, I know pissing in zero-G would be tough but they have a space station, a space suit and they don't need to drink 3 quarts of water an hour to stay alive.

Your irony is pleasing. In the original spirit of the thread, and in recognition of my own light heart in posting what you reply to.

Better not to carry it further tho' I think. I will turn serious sooner or later, so better it be done quickly I think.

Also, I reserve the right to put hijackers in a headlock. Lest my own head be forcibly ground into the Hershey Bar in some vigilante's pocket, I'm taking the 'chute and jumping out now.

[Virtud Tierra]

I almost dont want to say this, but...

Prove a Woman cant effectively piss in a bottle inside a tank.

Come on now, I already have an example of the conditions inside of the tank and makes my point clear of why it is not a simple thing to do. If thought experiments work for quantum physics they work for the physics of pissing in a bottle in a cramped seat, ok?

You want me to show you a picture of a women sitting in the gunner's seat trying to manuvere a bottle to to piss in while her tank commander is resting his legs on her shoulders?

Well sorry, I don't have any pictures like that because there is no such thing as a woman tanker.

This from Wikipedia about women in the Russian militlary during WWII

[edit] Land forces
The Soviet Union also used women for sniping duties extensively, and to great effect, including Nina Alexeyevna Lobkovskaya and Ukrainian Lyudmila Pavlichenko (who killed over 300 enemy soldiers). The Soviets found that sniper duties fit women well, since good snipers are patient, careful, deliberate, can avoid hand-to-hand combat, and need higher levels of aerobic conditioning than other troops. Women also served as machine gunners, tank drivers, medics, communication personnel and political officers. Manshuk Mametova was a machine gunner from Kazakhstan and was the first Soviet Asian woman to receive the Hero of the Soviet Union for acts of bravery.

So, yes, women drove tanks in wartime - not the nice, big luxurious tanks of today, but tiny, cramped WWII Soviet tanks.

Define "tank driver" because there are plenty of armored vehicles female soldiers drive today that could be described as tanks.

Everything you just listed is something that the USA Army already does.

We are not talking about women driving M1114s or M1117s or carrying a machinegun, we are talking about putting women in all-male combat units.

Besides, if you knew anything about tanks you'd know WWII tanks were much more spacious then modern tanks. It was a single crew compartment with a hull floor and a half-turret. Nothing like modern tanks with electronics bolted everywhere sitting in a turret basket, please spare me with arguments about tank design, dude.

[Katganistan]

The problem with women on the front lines is their lack of strength. Women are 70% weaker than men in upper body strength and 33% weaker than men in lower body strength.
The "chivalry" effect would also be difficult to overpass. The classic "leave no man behind" thought process would be even more difficult to overpass with women. When male soldiers risk everything to help a female soldier, everything is jeopardized, the mission, the safety of other soldiers, and the safety of innocent civilians. The risks are simply too great for the small amount of help they would provide.

Puhleese. I've been on public transportation. You're telling me that your average can't-be-bothered-to-get-up-for-an-expectant-mother guy is going to throw his life away for a fellow soldier because she's a woman?