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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:17 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:"Romney-Paul 2012"? It does have a ring to it, I have to admit, though "Mitt/Rand" sounds a bit like a recent French President.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:18 pm

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TaQud wrote:who is this benefiting the most?


The illuminati. They can use this to tighten their grasp on America's government.

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I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:18 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
greed and death wrote:Even the regular Democrats drug things out. A few hecklers form a town hall meeting and it took the President to get them back on track.

Lyndon Johnson's ghost was probably howling, watching that spectacle of the President not being able to control his own party. Lyndon would have made a few phone calls,had a few meetings shown some compromising photographs and people would have been lined up, ready to vote.

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Postby Kohlastan » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:19 pm

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greed and death wrote:I don't think the highly compromised ACA compares to the new deal, even if the public option had survived.

Not to mention Obama only got involved with the bill only when absolutely necessary to keep it going. FDR drove the New deal. If Obama had been a little bit more behind the bill I imgine the public option would have survived. The only reason the ACA got dubbed Obamacare was because the GOP tried to turn it into a personality attack.


Oh yes I agree Obama's more of a substance guy than a guy who focuses on the messaging and such. He should have definetley drove the debate. But I mean, if you look at the new deal in it's entirety a lot of it is just a bunch of hastiliy thought out compromises. And contrary to popular belief FDR often worked with business interests, his rhetoric was more leftward however.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:19 pm

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They get sent to FEMA death camps before they can vote.



FEMA death camps need to secure their wireless then so we don't have to listen to them.

I agree.
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Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:19 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:"Mittrand", "Mitrande", "Mitraundé/Mitrandeu". It's a slippery slope to Socialism! Wake up, sheeple! UN, Bilderberg, Trilateral, NWO, Illuminati, Vatican, Freemason, DAARPA, Jewish Bankers, Liberal Media, WWE, Communist, Satanist, Fascist, EKG, PPV, HTML, OMG, WTF, BBQ!! Don't you see?!

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We're all gonna die. Damn you Mittrand! :eek:
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:20 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Khadgar wrote:

FEMA death camps need to secure their wireless then so we don't have to listen to them.

The problem is, you see, when we hook them up to the electrical ... ah ... devices, their bodies turn into large antennas and the signal is boosted tremendously. Our crack team of technicians is looking into it, though.

Have you tried gimp suits? It adds another level to the process, and most are made of insulating materials.
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Xenohumanity wrote:
Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:21 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:I know what you mean about Kennedy and I agree. And yeah, that is the difference.


I find Biden very much like LBJ. Both from 2nd tier universities, both actually have histories of poverty. While not a majority leader he has served on several committees in the senate.

I find Obama and Kennedy very similar both Ivy league educated, both better at talking and campaigning than actually doing. Both with very limited experience in the Senate.

Given the type of policies I favor I am very happy Obama was elected President rather than Biden, and I would jump in front of a bullet for Obama just to make sure Biden does not become President that way.
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Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Xenohumanity wrote:
Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:21 pm



Until you label the fucking thing so we know what exactly you're talking about.
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Postby Demphor » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:22 pm

The republicans splitting in half would be cool, just because it is politically cool.
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Postby Page » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:22 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
greed and death wrote:
I find Biden very much like LBJ. Both from 2nd tier universities, both actually have histories of poverty. While not a majority leader he has served on several committees in the senate.

I find Obama and Kennedy very similar both Ivy league educated, both better at talking and campaigning than actually doing. Both with very limited experience in the Senate.

Given the type of policies I favor I am very happy Obama was elected President rather than Biden, and I would jump in front of a bullet for Obama just to make sure Biden does not become President that way.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:25 pm

Des-Bal wrote:


Until you label the fucking thing so we know what exactly you're talking about.

First line of the post is "One stop shop for all my "Paul is awful" needs", what more do you want?
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Xenohumanity wrote:
Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:27 pm

Demphor wrote:The republicans splitting in half would be cool, just because it is politically cool.

Messy, though.
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Postby FranksFreedom » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:29 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
FranksFreedom wrote:Ron Paul is more small government conservative.

How many times does the falseness of this have to be pointed out before it sinks in around here?


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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:29 pm

greed and death wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I know what you mean about Kennedy and I agree. And yeah, that is the difference.


I find Biden very much like LBJ. Both from 2nd tier universities, both actually have histories of poverty. While not a majority leader he has served on several committees in the senate.

I find Obama and Kennedy very similar both Ivy league educated, both better at talking and campaigning than actually doing. Both with very limited experience in the Senate.

Given the type of policies I favor I am very happy Obama was elected President rather than Biden, and I would jump in front of a bullet for Obama just to make sure Biden does not become President that way.
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Biden like LBJ? Pass what you are smoking please. May I recommend robert caro"s books on lbj for reading, I don't know what I would recommend for biden. Thougt I do agree biden is excellent life insurance for obama.
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Postby Kohlastan » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:30 pm

Brewdomia wrote:
Kohlastan wrote:what about FDR's fireside chats which helped calm Ameria's paniced bank runs, has a done something like that? not really . . . FDR is clearly the better president because of his Fireside Chats,which probly only compare to Carters apperances durring the oil crisis, and his New Deal, an overhal that only can be compared to TR's Square Deal.


Carter was a bad President. He really wasn't a liberal and didn't attempt any grand liberal legislation like Clinton or Obama, and combined with a string of bad luck, had a bumbling foreign policy.

I did't say he was good I'm just pointing out that he made tv aperances durring the oil crisis, that are remenicent of FDR fireside chats, that all.two good things Carter tried to do (but failed) is put America on "green" enery (which acually cost more tan it produced) and convert America to the metic system. Carter would be a relitively good preident today though.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:30 pm



I don't have the time.

Anyone else wanna explain to this^ gentleman what the NDAA is really about so as to put the fear-mongering to rest?
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:34 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:First line of the post is "One stop shop for all my "Paul is awful" needs", what more do you want?


Specifics on which each of those links goes to. You can't expect to throw that up every time someone says "Ron Paul" and have them sift through each individual post trying to figure out what specifically you were addressing.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:35 pm

Heh... so they're becoming more like democrats?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:38 pm

Seperates wrote:Heh... so they're becoming more like democrats?


Finally.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:40 pm

Liriena wrote:
Seperates wrote:Heh... so they're becoming more like democrats?


Finally.

Meh, I would be happy only if it was because there was a more liberal area of the Republican party splitting it, and not a stupidly conservative area...
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Postby Kirav » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:56 pm

What about the centre-right Republicans? John Huntsman, John McCain, Mike Crapo, Lisa Murkowski, Jim Webb, etc.? Surely the moderate wing of the Republican Party would have a broader support base, attracting centrists, independents, and conservative Democrats, than either the knee-jerk reactionaries or the privatise-everything followers of Ron Paul.

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:57 pm

Kirav wrote: Surely the moderate wing of the Republican Party would have a broader support base, attracting centrists, independents, and conservative Democrats, than either the knee-jerk reactionaries or the privatise-everything followers of Ron Paul.

There is no moderate wing anymore.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:12 pm


You mean the NDAA that simply reaffirms the AUMF which Paul voted for?
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Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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