Republicans show signs of Split.

[Kohlastan]

That was eighty fucking years ago.

It was. There were giants on the earth in those days. Not like now.

awesome Polo-stuck giants like FDR who were BOSS!!!

[Kohlastan]

who is this benefiting the most?

The illuminati. They can use this to tighten their grasp on America's government.

Thats what they want you to think

[Brewdomia]

I know what you mean about Kennedy and I agree. And yeah, that is the difference.

I find Biden very much like LBJ. Both from 2nd tier universities, both actually have histories of poverty. While not a majority leader he has served on several committees in the senate.

I find Obama and Kennedy very similar both Ivy league educated, both better at talking and campaigning than actually doing. Both with very limited experience in the Senate.

Given the type of policies I favor I am very happy Obama was elected President rather than Biden, and I would jump in front of a bullet for Obama just to make sure Biden does not become President that way.
As someone

If you really look at pure legislative success, President Obama is above FDR, and is matched only by LBJ, and unlike LBJ, he doesn't have a horrendous foreign policy failure.

Kennedy is held up as an icon of liberalism, but he really was scolded often by liberals for being too compromising. (which every democratic president has also) Liberals are never satisfied it seems.

[Capitalist Running Dogs]

The main GOP delegation from Maine, which leans libertarian, seeks to continue to Support Ron Paul( no one ever accused these guys of quitting). A challenge from what appears to be Romney seeks to unseat the delegates at the convention, unless they agree to support Romney. The delegation has rejected the compromise.

I think this is a poor tactic for Romney, The GOP needs to adopt a policy of appearing more big tent rather than the smaller your with us or against us appearance they currently produce.

Further, the GOP needs the libertarian wing to do well in the elections. Even with the seeking the Presidency is unlikely, but they would need the wing to win the Senate which is far more likely result of the election.

So what says NSG, good, bad, Muahhahaha ?

So how's that Dem Convention lookin' these days? Ya think anyone will show?

There will be no split. Paul devotees are like that but in the end they will vote ABO. Anyone But Obama. Just like all the Communists and Socialists who are disappointed in Obama will vote for Obama.

[Greed and Death]

I find Biden very much like LBJ. Both from 2nd tier universities, both actually have histories of poverty. While not a majority leader he has served on several committees in the senate.

I find Obama and Kennedy very similar both Ivy league educated, both better at talking and campaigning than actually doing. Both with very limited experience in the Senate.

Given the type of policies I favor I am very happy Obama was elected President rather than Biden, and I would jump in front of a bullet for Obama just to make sure Biden does not become President that way.
As someone

If you really look at pure legislative success, President Obama is above FDR, and is matched only by LBJ, and unlike LBJ, he doesn't have a horrendous foreign policy failure.

Kennedy is held up as an icon of liberalism, but he really was scolded often by liberals for being too compromising. (which every democratic president has also) Liberals are never satisfied it seems.

I don't think the highly compromised ACA compares to the new deal, even if the public option had survived.

Not to mention Obama only got involved with the bill only when absolutely necessary to keep it going. FDR drove the New deal. If Obama had been a little bit more behind the bill I imgine the public option would have survived. The only reason the ACA got dubbed Obamacare was because the GOP tried to turn it into a personality attack.

[FranksFreedom]

Failure....good one, oh wait your weren't joking...https://twitter.com/#!/search/?q=%23ronpaul2012

The existence of astroturf paulbots is not evidence of success. It is evidence of a competent script writer. Here's what Ronulans can never ever answer. If Ron Paul is so motherfucking popular, why don't people vote for him?

To name a very few selects
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesE5HcLC9Y&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUE7MtkJbQ&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tibrJSJqrxM&feature=plcp

[Khadgar]

I find Biden very much like LBJ. Both from 2nd tier universities, both actually have histories of poverty. While not a majority leader he has served on several committees in the senate.

I find Obama and Kennedy very similar both Ivy league educated, both better at talking and campaigning than actually doing. Both with very limited experience in the Senate.

Given the type of policies I favor I am very happy Obama was elected President rather than Biden, and I would jump in front of a bullet for Obama just to make sure Biden does not become President that way.
As someone

If you really look at pure legislative success, President Obama is above FDR, and is matched only by LBJ, and unlike LBJ, he doesn't have a horrendous foreign policy failure.

Kennedy is held up as an icon of liberalism, but he really was scolded often by liberals for being too compromising. (which every democratic president has also) Liberals are never satisfied it seems.

It's hard to say much about Kennedy, because he was killed before he could do much for good or ill. He had two and a half years I believe. Lincoln at least had a full term we could assess.

[Wikkiwallana]

The main GOP delegation from Maine, which leans libertarian, seeks to continue to Support Ron Paul( no one ever accused these guys of quitting).

It would be very nice if they would, however.

[Khadgar]

The existence of astroturf paulbots is not evidence of success. It is evidence of a competent script writer. Here's what Ronulans can never ever answer. If Ron Paul is so motherfucking popular, why don't people vote for him?

To name a very few selects
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesE5HcLC9Y&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUE7MtkJbQ&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tibrJSJqrxM&feature=plcp

Okay, you're new so I'll let this slide, but Youtube videos, are not sources. Text sources or GTFO.

[Kohlastan]

I find Biden very much like LBJ. Both from 2nd tier universities, both actually have histories of poverty. While not a majority leader he has served on several committees in the senate.

I find Obama and Kennedy very similar both Ivy league educated, both better at talking and campaigning than actually doing. Both with very limited experience in the Senate.

Given the type of policies I favor I am very happy Obama was elected President rather than Biden, and I would jump in front of a bullet for Obama just to make sure Biden does not become President that way.
As someone

If you really look at pure legislative success, President Obama is above FDR, and is matched only by LBJ, and unlike LBJ, he doesn't have a horrendous foreign policy failure.

Kennedy is held up as an icon of liberalism, but he really was scolded often by liberals for being too compromising. (which every democratic president has also) Liberals are never satisfied it seems.

He's right, i'm not satisfied, we need an uber-boss combo of FDR,JBL and JFK . And maybe a little TR to get republicains to vote for him.
You know he would be the best president ever because he a mix of presidents iknown by just their instails.

[Brewdomia]

If you really look at pure legislative success, President Obama is above FDR, and is matched only by LBJ, and unlike LBJ, he doesn't have a horrendous foreign policy failure.

Kennedy is held up as an icon of liberalism, but he really was scolded often by liberals for being too compromising. (which every democratic president has also) Liberals are never satisfied it seems.

I don't think the highly compromised ACA compares to the new deal, even if the public option had survived.

Not to mention Obama only got involved with the bill only when absolutely necessary to keep it going. FDR drove the New deal. If Obama had been a little bit more behind the bill I imgine the public option would have survived. The only reason the ACA got dubbed Obamacare was because the GOP tried to turn it into a personality attack.

Oh yes I agree Obama's more of a substance guy than a guy who focuses on the messaging and such. He should have definetley drove the debate. But I mean, if you look at the new deal in it's entirety a lot of it is just a bunch of hastiliy thought out compromises. And contrary to popular belief FDR often worked with business interests, his rhetoric was more leftward however.

[Farnhamia]

To name a very few selects
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesE5HcLC9Y&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUE7MtkJbQ&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tibrJSJqrxM&feature=plcp

Okay, you're new so I'll let this slide, but Youtube videos, are not sources. Text sources or GTFO.

What, Alex Jones isn't a valid source?

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Good old Ron Paul, not content to simply be a failure, he has to drag down the rest of the Republican party with him.

It is his followers, My guess is his Son will be put on the VP ticket, and Ron Paul will get to speak at the RNC.

Really? I don't see Romney appeasing these people at all. I think they vastly underestimate the importance of their libertarian wing.

[Greed and Death]

If you really look at pure legislative success, President Obama is above FDR, and is matched only by LBJ, and unlike LBJ, he doesn't have a horrendous foreign policy failure.

Kennedy is held up as an icon of liberalism, but he really was scolded often by liberals for being too compromising. (which every democratic president has also) Liberals are never satisfied it seems.

It's hard to say much about Kennedy, because he was killed before he could do much for good or ill. He had two and a half years I believe. Lincoln at least had a full term we could assess.

Closer to 3 years, he came to office in January of 61, and was shot in November in 63.

He was also shot while campaigning for reelection. So it was not like he was going to do much else in the year he had left. He basically had done what he was going to do for his Presidential term, which was next to nothing. He gave great verbal support for the civil rights movement. But really did not so much for it. Kennedy was a talker not a doer.

[Greed and Death]

It is his followers, My guess is his Son will be put on the VP ticket, and Ron Paul will get to speak at the RNC.

Really? I don't see Romney appeasing these people at all. I think they vastly underestimate the importance of their libertarian wing.

If that's the case you might see the Democrats taking the house.

[Gravlen]

Ah, republicans are turning into Croats...

Does that mean the Libertarians or Democrats are turning into Srpska?

Dem 'crats are greedily za-grabbin' what they can, while bordering on Hungry...

[Khadgar]

Really? I don't see Romney appeasing these people at all. I think they vastly underestimate the importance of their libertarian wing.

If that's the case you might see the Democrats taking the house.

Unless the Republican party has a full blown meltdown in the next month there's no more than a 10-15% chance of that happening. Gerrymandering, it's fun.

[Farnhamia]

Really? I don't see Romney appeasing these people at all. I think they vastly underestimate the importance of their libertarian wing.

If that's the case you might see the Democrats taking the house.

The Return of the She-Wolf from San Francisco! Huzzah!

[Kohlastan]

If you really look at pure legislative success, President Obama is above FDR, and is matched only by LBJ, and unlike LBJ, he doesn't have a horrendous foreign policy failure.

Kennedy is held up as an icon of liberalism, but he really was scolded often by liberals for being too compromising. (which every democratic president has also) Liberals are never satisfied it seems.

I don't think the highly compromised ACA compares to the new deal, even if the public option had survived.

Not to mention Obama only got involved with the bill only when absolutely necessary to keep it going. FDR drove the New deal. If Obama had been a little bit more behind the bill I imgine the public option would have survived. The only reason the ACA got dubbed Obamacare was because the GOP tried to turn it into a personality attack.

what about FDR's fireside chats which helped calm Ameria's paniced bank runs, has a done something like that? not really . . . FDR is clearly the better president because of his Fireside Chats,which probly only compare to Carters apperances durring the oil crisis, and his New Deal, an overhal that only can be compared to TR's Square Deal.

[Wikkiwallana]

It is his followers, My guess is his Son will be put on the VP ticket, and Ron Paul will get to speak at the RNC.

"Romney-Paul 2012"? It does have a ring to it, I have to admit, though "Mitt/Rand" sounds a bit like a recent French President.

"Mittrand", "Mitrande", "Mitraundé/Mitrandeu". It's a slippery slope to Socialism! Wake up, sheeple! UN, Bilderberg, Trilateral, NWO, Illuminati, Vatican, Freemason, DAARPA, Jewish Bankers, Liberal Media, WWE, Communist, Satanist, Fascist, EKG, PPV, HTML, OMG, WTF, BBQ!! Don't you see?!

[Brewdomia]

I don't think the highly compromised ACA compares to the new deal, even if the public option had survived.

Not to mention Obama only got involved with the bill only when absolutely necessary to keep it going. FDR drove the New deal. If Obama had been a little bit more behind the bill I imgine the public option would have survived. The only reason the ACA got dubbed Obamacare was because the GOP tried to turn it into a personality attack.

what about FDR's fireside chats which helped calm Ameria's paniced bank runs, has a done something like that? not really . . . FDR is clearly the better president because of his Fireside Chats,which probly only compare to Carters apperances durring the oil crisis, and his New Deal, an overhal that only can be compared to TR's Square Deal.

Carter was a bad President. He really wasn't a liberal and didn't attempt any grand liberal legislation like Clinton or Obama, and combined with a string of bad luck, had a bumbling foreign policy.

[FranksFreedom]

To name a very few selects
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesE5HcLC9Y&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUE7MtkJbQ&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tibrJSJqrxM&feature=plcp

Okay, you're new so I'll let this slide, but Youtube videos, are not sources. Text sources or GTFO.

Why not - if they cover actual events?

[Des-Bal]

what about FDR's fireside chats which helped calm Ameria's paniced bank runs, has a done something like that? not really . . . FDR is clearly the better president because of his Fireside Chats,which probly only compare to Carters apperances durring the oil crisis, and his New Deal, an overhal that only can be compared to TR's Square Deal.

Fireside chats let people know what was going on and gave the presidents calming perspective. We get news as it happens and we don't need it explained to us. The Healthcare bill is a step towards the reform we've been talking about for generations if republicans were more interested in reform than destroying everything remotely leftist I think people could recognize that.

[Liriena]

Well, that's just great. Now we're all gonna die in this shit-storm.


Seriously: It was bound to happen. You can't be the "small government/pro-freedom party" while at the same time being also the epitome of Christian fundamentalism. At some point they had to choose between Jesus and Ayn Rand.

[Wikkiwallana]

Ron Paul is more small government conservative.

How many times does the falseness of this have to be pointed out before it sinks in around here?