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by Kohlastan » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:45 am
by Kohlastan » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:47 am
by Brewdomia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:49 am
greed and death wrote:Farnhamia wrote:I know what you mean about Kennedy and I agree. And yeah, that is the difference.
I find Biden very much like LBJ. Both from 2nd tier universities, both actually have histories of poverty. While not a majority leader he has served on several committees in the senate.
I find Obama and Kennedy very similar both Ivy league educated, both better at talking and campaigning than actually doing. Both with very limited experience in the Senate.
Given the type of policies I favor I am very happy Obama was elected President rather than Biden, and I would jump in front of a bullet for Obama just to make sure Biden does not become President that way.
As someone
by Capitalist Running Dogs » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:51 am
greed and death wrote:The main GOP delegation from Maine, which leans libertarian, seeks to continue to Support Ron Paul( no one ever accused these guys of quitting). A challenge from what appears to be Romney seeks to unseat the delegates at the convention, unless they agree to support Romney. The delegation has rejected the compromise.
I think this is a poor tactic for Romney, The GOP needs to adopt a policy of appearing more big tent rather than the smaller your with us or against us appearance they currently produce.
Further, the GOP needs the libertarian wing to do well in the elections. Even with the seeking the Presidency is unlikely, but they would need the wing to win the Senate which is far more likely result of the election.
So what says NSG, good, bad, Muahhahaha ?
by Greed and Death » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:54 am
Brewdomia wrote:greed and death wrote:
I find Biden very much like LBJ. Both from 2nd tier universities, both actually have histories of poverty. While not a majority leader he has served on several committees in the senate.
I find Obama and Kennedy very similar both Ivy league educated, both better at talking and campaigning than actually doing. Both with very limited experience in the Senate.
Given the type of policies I favor I am very happy Obama was elected President rather than Biden, and I would jump in front of a bullet for Obama just to make sure Biden does not become President that way.
As someone
If you really look at pure legislative success, President Obama is above FDR, and is matched only by LBJ, and unlike LBJ, he doesn't have a horrendous foreign policy failure.
Kennedy is held up as an icon of liberalism, but he really was scolded often by liberals for being too compromising. (which every democratic president has also) Liberals are never satisfied it seems.
by FranksFreedom » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:54 am
Khadgar wrote:FranksFreedom wrote:
Failure....good one, oh wait your weren't joking...https://twitter.com/#!/search/?q=%23ronpaul2012
The existence of astroturf paulbots is not evidence of success. It is evidence of a competent script writer. Here's what Ronulans can never ever answer. If Ron Paul is so motherfucking popular, why don't people vote for him?
by Khadgar » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:56 am
Brewdomia wrote:greed and death wrote:
I find Biden very much like LBJ. Both from 2nd tier universities, both actually have histories of poverty. While not a majority leader he has served on several committees in the senate.
I find Obama and Kennedy very similar both Ivy league educated, both better at talking and campaigning than actually doing. Both with very limited experience in the Senate.
Given the type of policies I favor I am very happy Obama was elected President rather than Biden, and I would jump in front of a bullet for Obama just to make sure Biden does not become President that way.
As someone
If you really look at pure legislative success, President Obama is above FDR, and is matched only by LBJ, and unlike LBJ, he doesn't have a horrendous foreign policy failure.
Kennedy is held up as an icon of liberalism, but he really was scolded often by liberals for being too compromising. (which every democratic president has also) Liberals are never satisfied it seems.
by Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:57 am
greed and death wrote:The main GOP delegation from Maine, which leans libertarian, seeks to continue to Support Ron Paul( no one ever accused these guys of quitting).
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by Khadgar » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:58 am
FranksFreedom wrote:Khadgar wrote:
The existence of astroturf paulbots is not evidence of success. It is evidence of a competent script writer. Here's what Ronulans can never ever answer. If Ron Paul is so motherfucking popular, why don't people vote for him?
To name a very few selects
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesE5HcLC9Y&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUE7MtkJbQ&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tibrJSJqrxM&feature=plcp
by Kohlastan » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:59 am
Brewdomia wrote:greed and death wrote:
I find Biden very much like LBJ. Both from 2nd tier universities, both actually have histories of poverty. While not a majority leader he has served on several committees in the senate.
I find Obama and Kennedy very similar both Ivy league educated, both better at talking and campaigning than actually doing. Both with very limited experience in the Senate.
Given the type of policies I favor I am very happy Obama was elected President rather than Biden, and I would jump in front of a bullet for Obama just to make sure Biden does not become President that way.
As someone
If you really look at pure legislative success, President Obama is above FDR, and is matched only by LBJ, and unlike LBJ, he doesn't have a horrendous foreign policy failure.
Kennedy is held up as an icon of liberalism, but he really was scolded often by liberals for being too compromising. (which every democratic president has also) Liberals are never satisfied it seems.
by Brewdomia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:00 pm
greed and death wrote:Brewdomia wrote:
If you really look at pure legislative success, President Obama is above FDR, and is matched only by LBJ, and unlike LBJ, he doesn't have a horrendous foreign policy failure.
Kennedy is held up as an icon of liberalism, but he really was scolded often by liberals for being too compromising. (which every democratic president has also) Liberals are never satisfied it seems.
I don't think the highly compromised ACA compares to the new deal, even if the public option had survived.
Not to mention Obama only got involved with the bill only when absolutely necessary to keep it going. FDR drove the New deal. If Obama had been a little bit more behind the bill I imgine the public option would have survived. The only reason the ACA got dubbed Obamacare was because the GOP tried to turn it into a personality attack.
by Farnhamia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:01 pm
Khadgar wrote:
Okay, you're new so I'll let this slide, but Youtube videos, are not sources. Text sources or GTFO.
by Page » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:02 pm
by Greed and Death » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:03 pm
Khadgar wrote:Brewdomia wrote:
If you really look at pure legislative success, President Obama is above FDR, and is matched only by LBJ, and unlike LBJ, he doesn't have a horrendous foreign policy failure.
Kennedy is held up as an icon of liberalism, but he really was scolded often by liberals for being too compromising. (which every democratic president has also) Liberals are never satisfied it seems.
It's hard to say much about Kennedy, because he was killed before he could do much for good or ill. He had two and a half years I believe. Lincoln at least had a full term we could assess.
by Greed and Death » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:06 pm
by Farnhamia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:10 pm
by Kohlastan » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:11 pm
greed and death wrote:Brewdomia wrote:
If you really look at pure legislative success, President Obama is above FDR, and is matched only by LBJ, and unlike LBJ, he doesn't have a horrendous foreign policy failure.
Kennedy is held up as an icon of liberalism, but he really was scolded often by liberals for being too compromising. (which every democratic president has also) Liberals are never satisfied it seems.
I don't think the highly compromised ACA compares to the new deal, even if the public option had survived.
Not to mention Obama only got involved with the bill only when absolutely necessary to keep it going. FDR drove the New deal. If Obama had been a little bit more behind the bill I imgine the public option would have survived. The only reason the ACA got dubbed Obamacare was because the GOP tried to turn it into a personality attack.
by Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:13 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by Brewdomia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:15 pm
Kohlastan wrote:greed and death wrote:I don't think the highly compromised ACA compares to the new deal, even if the public option had survived.
Not to mention Obama only got involved with the bill only when absolutely necessary to keep it going. FDR drove the New deal. If Obama had been a little bit more behind the bill I imgine the public option would have survived. The only reason the ACA got dubbed Obamacare was because the GOP tried to turn it into a personality attack.
what about FDR's fireside chats which helped calm Ameria's paniced bank runs, has a done something like that? not really . . . FDR is clearly the better president because of his Fireside Chats,which probly only compare to Carters apperances durring the oil crisis, and his New Deal, an overhal that only can be compared to TR's Square Deal.
by FranksFreedom » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:15 pm
Khadgar wrote:
Okay, you're new so I'll let this slide, but Youtube videos, are not sources. Text sources or GTFO.
by Des-Bal » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:15 pm
Kohlastan wrote:what about FDR's fireside chats which helped calm Ameria's paniced bank runs, has a done something like that? not really . . . FDR is clearly the better president because of his Fireside Chats,which probly only compare to Carters apperances durring the oil crisis, and his New Deal, an overhal that only can be compared to TR's Square Deal.
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by Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:17 pm
FranksFreedom wrote:Ron Paul is more small government conservative.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
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