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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:13 am

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Even the regular Democrats drug things out. A few hecklers form a town hall meeting and it took the President to get them back on track.

Lyndon Johnson's ghost was probably howling, watching that spectacle of the President not being able to control his own party. Lyndon would have made a few phone calls, had a few meetings and people would have been lined up, ready to vote.
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:13 am

Ah, republicans are turning into Croats...
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Postby Noobubersland » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:17 am

Gravlen wrote:Ah, republicans are turning into Croats...

Does that mean the Libertarians or Democrats are turning into Srpska?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:24 am

Khadgar wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:While I don't know the infighting and rules,and whether romney's folks are right or wrong. unseating paul would make romney look more middle of the road to america. Giving him a more orderly convention, and better being able to show the party united behind him.

And who are the paul supporters going to vote for? Obama?


A refusal to vote for Romney is a de facto vote for Obama, at least in several states.

It is possible they will stay home in november, but I think they hate obama more than they hate romney, and will still vote republican.

If they try and organize a third party, that may lead to a different outcome.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:25 am

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greed and death wrote:Even the regular Democrats drug things out. A few hecklers form a town hall meeting and it took the President to get them back on track.

Lyndon Johnson's ghost was probably howling, watching that spectacle of the President not being able to control his own party. Lyndon would have made a few phone calls, had a few meetings and people would have been lined up, ready to vote.

The difference between electing a junior Senator to the Presidency, and electing a former Senate majority leader who engineered his party retaking the majority in the Senate in the face of the ever popular IKE.

Don't take this the wrong way but it was likely a good thing Kennedy got shot, he never would have been able to pull off the types of results that LBJ did.

If not for Vietnam he would have likely been held higher than FDR in Democratic circles.
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Postby FranksFreedom » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:25 am

I hope they do splot...I will be voting for Romney but he represents a kind of pervision in the Republicans - Ron Paul is more small government conservative.

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Postby Ryanisking » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:26 am

i am republican and i wish i could be libertian and support johnson but ultimately if we do that we would be too weak to win do go rommeny
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Postby TaQud » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:26 am

Ryanisking wrote:i am republican and i wish i could be libertian and support johnson but ultimately if we do that we would be too weak to win do go rommeny

it isn't already weak when you have romney running...
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Postby Arkinesia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:27 am

Khadgar wrote:Good old Ron Paul, not content to simply be a failure, he has to drag down the rest of the Republican party with him.

Good thing then. The GOP needs to clean house. I don't care who stays as long as a more libertarian party becomes relevant. As long as they don't advocate for a gold standard, at least.

I'm sick of differently-colored statists.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:28 am

greed and death wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Lyndon Johnson's ghost was probably howling, watching that spectacle of the President not being able to control his own party. Lyndon would have made a few phone calls, had a few meetings and people would have been lined up, ready to vote.

The difference between electing a junior Senator to the Presidency, and electing a former Senate majority leader who engineered his party retaking the majority in the Senate in the face of the ever popular IKE.

Don't take this the wrong way but it was likely a good thing Kennedy got shot, he never would have been able to pull off the types of results that LBJ did.

If not for Vietnam he would have likely been held higher than FDR in Democratic circles.

I know what you mean about Kennedy and I agree. And yeah, that is the difference.
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Postby FranksFreedom » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:30 am

Khadgar wrote:Good old Ron Paul, not content to simply be a failure, he has to drag down the rest of the Republican party with him.


Failure....good one, oh wait your weren't joking...https://twitter.com/#!/search/?q=%23ronpaul2012

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:30 am

TaQud wrote:who is this benefiting the most?


The illuminati. They can use this to tighten their grasp on America's government.
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Postby Arkinesia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:31 am

greed and death wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Lyndon Johnson's ghost was probably howling, watching that spectacle of the President not being able to control his own party. Lyndon would have made a few phone calls, had a few meetings and people would have been lined up, ready to vote.

The difference between electing a junior Senator to the Presidency, and electing a former Senate majority leader who engineered his party retaking the majority in the Senate in the face of the ever popular IKE.

Don't take this the wrong way but it was likely a good thing Kennedy got shot, he never would have been able to pull off the types of results that LBJ did.

If not for Vietnam he would have likely been held higher than FDR in Democratic circles.

Johnson, for all his organization, still wouldn't have gotten all that stuff done without Kennedy dying.
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Postby Kohlastan » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:32 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Divair wrote:Democrats. If the GOP splits, the Democrats will easily win a majority for quite a while. Maybe we'll be able to actually get stuff done.

You mean like we did back in 2009 and 2010, when we controlled both houses?

What about the 100 days congress under FDR
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Postby Arkinesia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:32 am

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Farnhamia wrote:You mean like we did back in 2009 and 2010, when we controlled both houses?

What about the 100 days congress under FDR

That was eighty fucking years ago.
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Postby Khadgar » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:33 am

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Khadgar wrote:Good old Ron Paul, not content to simply be a failure, he has to drag down the rest of the Republican party with him.


Failure....good one, oh wait your weren't joking...https://twitter.com/#!/search/?q=%23ronpaul2012



The existence of astroturf paulbots is not evidence of success. It is evidence of a competent script writer. Here's what Ronulans can never ever answer. If Ron Paul is so motherfucking popular, why don't people vote for him?

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:34 am

Arkinesia wrote:
Kohlastan wrote:What about the 100 days congress under FDR

That was eighty fucking years ago.

It was. There were giants on the earth in those days. Not like now.
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Postby Kohlastan » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:35 am

Silent Majority wrote:I'm not really sure it would benefit the more libertarian republicans to split off from the party, I don't think there are enough of them that a third party would gain much if any electoral success. Currently they benefit from the resources, and media attention brought from being associated with a major party, and both those would disappear if there were a split.

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Postby Silent Majority » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:35 am

Khadgar wrote:
FranksFreedom wrote:
Failure....good one, oh wait your weren't joking...https://twitter.com/#!/search/?q=%23ronpaul2012



The existence of astroturf paulbots is not evidence of success. It is evidence of a competent script writer. Here's what Ronulans can never ever answer. If Ron Paul is so motherfucking popular, why don't people vote for him?


They get sent to FEMA death camps before they can vote.
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Postby Khadgar » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:36 am

Silent Majority wrote:
Khadgar wrote:

The existence of astroturf paulbots is not evidence of success. It is evidence of a competent script writer. Here's what Ronulans can never ever answer. If Ron Paul is so motherfucking popular, why don't people vote for him?


They get sent to FEMA death camps before they can vote.



FEMA death camps need to secure their wireless then so we don't have to listen to them.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:38 am

Khadgar wrote:
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They get sent to FEMA death camps before they can vote.



FEMA death camps need to secure their wireless then so we don't have to listen to them.

The problem is, you see, when we hook them up to the electrical ... ah ... devices, their bodies turn into large antennas and the signal is boosted tremendously. Our crack team of technicians is looking into it, though.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:38 am

I hope they do, so a less divided and more willing to compromise right wing party can arise and we can get back to business.

But to say that they're going to split over this is premature.
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Postby Silent Majority » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:38 am

Khadgar wrote:
Silent Majority wrote:
They get sent to FEMA death camps before they can vote.



FEMA death camps need to secure their wireless then so we don't have to listen to them.


I'm sure Ben Bernanke has contacted his illuminati overlords to deal with the problem.
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Postby Kohlastan » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:43 am

Arkinesia wrote:
Kohlastan wrote:What about the 100 days congress under FDR

That was eighty fucking years ago.

so what? ( don'tbyou know we can learn from history)its still relevent they passed very seccess socialistc policy,like social security, and helped America claw its way out of the GD. We should learn from their example. . . Go American Socialism!!!
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:43 am

Farnhamia wrote:
greed and death wrote:The difference between electing a junior Senator to the Presidency, and electing a former Senate majority leader who engineered his party retaking the majority in the Senate in the face of the ever popular IKE.

Don't take this the wrong way but it was likely a good thing Kennedy got shot, he never would have been able to pull off the types of results that LBJ did.

If not for Vietnam he would have likely been held higher than FDR in Democratic circles.

I know what you mean about Kennedy and I agree. And yeah, that is the difference.


I find Biden very much like LBJ. Both from 2nd tier universities, both actually have histories of poverty. While not a majority leader he has served on several committees in the senate.

I find Obama and Kennedy very similar both Ivy league educated, both better at talking and campaigning than actually doing. Both with very limited experience in the Senate.

Given the type of policies I favor I am very happy Obama was elected President rather than Biden, and I would jump in front of a bullet for Obama just to make sure Biden does not become President that way.
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