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Postby Alaje » Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:47 pm

Magmia wrote:
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Sidhae's pretty cool, you'd have to chat with him.

BTW, Nazis are Fascist bro.

He went off on a racist rant on a thread a while back that got him banned for 3 days. After seeing that garbage I lost respect for him...

Mostly true, but Nazism has adopted the "Master Race" nonsense, which has nothing to do with Fascism. Other than that yes, they're exactly the same


Meh, I still chat with him every now and then, after all I'm racist against everyone. While I do disagree with alot of his opinions, I haven't seen him say anything that is offensive to me.....definitely nothing as offensive as the things the liberals post here.
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Postby Helertia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:48 pm

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Nidaria wrote:1Such reasoning is false. Burning down an unclaimed forest containing rare species does not infringe or deprive anyone's rights, but it is still morally wrong. Likewise, viewing pornography is immoral, even though it does not directly harm anyone.
2Again, false. No one is created LGBT. They might suffer from temptations, but those are not caused by God, and it is always possible to overcome these temptations. One suffering (unwillingly) from homosexual inclinations is not homosexual any more than someone who is tempted to steal money (but does not) is a thief. I am glad to have cleared this common misconception.

Also, you are quite naive if you expect me to reply to every comment. I skip over many of these comments not because I do not have an answer, but because I do not waste my life on NationStates. I only reply when I want to or when I feel unusually compelled to.

You don't seem to understand homosexuality at all. Tell me, at what point did you CHOOSE to be attracted only to women? (assuming of course that your a male)


I don't understand homosexuality at all. All that dancing. What's it all for? I spend too much time being intimately homosexual to be wanting to move my hips that much.
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Postby Condunum » Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:49 pm

Nidaria wrote:
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Nidaria, I'd like a response.

1Such reasoning is false. Burning down an unclaimed forest containing rare species does not infringe or deprive anyone's rights, but it is still morally wrong. Likewise, viewing pornography is immoral, even though it does not directly harm anyone.

What? Porn is immoral? Perhaps to you, yes.

2Again, false. No one is created LGBT.

False. Our parents created us.

They might suffer from temptations,

Sex is a temptation, heterosexual or not.

but those are not caused by God, and it is always possible to overcome these temptations.

Yes, it's quite possible. However, it's extremely unhealthy.

One suffering (unwillingly)

Excuse me?

from homosexual inclinations is not homosexual any more than someone who is tempted to steal money (but does not) is a thief.

There isn't even a valid comparison there.

I am glad to have cleared this common misconception.

You didn't clear up anything, you just made assumptions that homosexuality is immoral.

I only reply when I want to or when I feel unusually compelled to.

It's usually considered polite to reply to those who you are debating with.
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Postby Condunum » Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:50 pm

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Genivaria wrote:You don't seem to understand homosexuality at all. Tell me, at what point did you CHOOSE to be attracted only to women? (assuming of course that your a male)


I don't understand homosexuality at all. All that dancing. What's it all for? I spend too much time being intimately homosexual to be wanting to move my hips that much.

There is a lot of hip movement for heterosexuals too. At least, for heterosexual women.
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Postby Coccygia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:54 pm

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Coccygia wrote: :blink: Do you live in some parallel universe or something or are you just completely out of touch? :eyebrow: If the latter, I'm not surprised, but if it's the former, please give me the space-time coordinates so I can go there. 'Cause in this parallel America is getting more right-wing by the freaking second. :eek:


The country as a whole is still moving forward. It's just the Republican party that is free-falling into the 19th century.

Which controls the House and the Supreme Court and will likely win the Senate and White House come Nov. To paraphrase Tiny Tim, God help us, every one.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:55 pm

Nidaria wrote:
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Nidaria, I'd like a response.

1Such reasoning is false. Burning down an unclaimed forest containing rare species does not infringe or deprive anyone's rights, but it is still morally wrong. Likewise, viewing pornography is immoral, even though it does not directly harm anyone.
2Again, false. No one is created LGBT. They might suffer from temptations, but those are not caused by God, and it is always possible to overcome these temptations. One suffering (unwillingly) from homosexual inclinations is not homosexual any more than someone who is tempted to steal money (but does not) is a thief. I am glad to have cleared this common misconception.


1) Actually...many people don't find burning uninhabited forests morally wrong. You need to get out more.
Besides, according to many human rights' treaties, burning down an unclaimed forest with rare species would be considered an infringement upon the human rights of a nation's citizenship.
As for pornography: I don't really see anything inherently immoral in pornography. Please develop that thought.

2) Unless you are homosexual or you have empirical evidence that proves exactly that (and not just "proof from lack of evidence otherwise") I don't really see how this part of your post could be taken as anything else other than a personal religious belief that is highly subjective, especially since the personal religious beliefs of others (namely, Gren) tell them otherwise.
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Postby Alaje » Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:56 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Nidaria, I'd like a response.

1Such reasoning is false. Burning down an unclaimed forest containing rare species does not infringe or deprive anyone's rights, but it is still morally wrong. Likewise, viewing pornography is immoral, even though it does not directly harm anyone.
2Again, false. No one is created LGBT. They might suffer from temptations, but those are not caused by God, and it is always possible to overcome these temptations. One suffering (unwillingly) from homosexual inclinations is not homosexual any more than someone who is tempted to steal money (but does not) is a thief. I am glad to have cleared this common misconception.

Also, you are quite naive if you expect me to reply to every comment. I skip over many of these comments not because I do not have an answer, but because I do not waste my life on NationStates. I only reply when I want to or when I feel unusually compelled to.


Um, I agree with you except for the whole "God" thing, and the "no one is born LGBT". I personally think people can be LGBT by birth and by choice.
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Postby Helertia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:59 pm

Coccygia wrote:
Helertia wrote:
The country as a whole is still moving forward. It's just the Republican party that is free-falling into the 19th century.

Which controls the House and the Supreme Court and will likely win the Senate and White House come Nov. To paraphrase Tiny Tim, God help us, every one.


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Postby Noobubersland » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:03 pm

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Coccygia wrote:Which controls the House and the Supreme Court and will likely win the Senate and White House come Nov. To paraphrase Tiny Tim, God help us, every one.


I hear Canada's nice?

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Postby Disserbia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:23 pm

Yeah because making generalizations and blaming everyone but yourself is a good way to bring the change you want. Good one.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:09 pm

Sidhae wrote:Leftie liberals are hypocrites... Bah, I'm surprised such a self-evident fact even required it's own thread. What makes them even worse is that as a group they don't even have the balls to say they actually don't give a fuck what others think of them, because that would contradict their principles.

I don't quite get the "progressive" part though. Perhaps my definition of progress is just so different that I can't see how they are progressive...


Which leftie liberal principle would be contradicted by not caring what other people think of you? And what does that actually mean?

Plus - as a group... leftie liberals are a fairly big, diverse group.

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Jinos wrote:What this smacks of is racism.

Population control is really just a solution looking for a problem big enough to justify it. Kind of like Eugenics. Both of which are thinly veiled covers for racists or people with 'racial concerns'


I do not believe that any "races" are superior to one another, I merely want to preserve ethnic groups which are in decline. That includes non-White people.


Eh - why are they in decline? And what about them means they should be kept on life support (or treated like a specimen in a zoo)? Ethnicity can be a fluid, evolving thing - it changes naturally over time. Ethnic groups intermarry and have children and absorb/exchange culture and one day the original ethnic groups might no longer exist but a new one will.

Nothing wrong with that, if it is a natural thing (not due to ethnic cleansing), better than bringing social (or even legal) pressure to bare on people to coerce them into having children, and/or only having children with others of the same ethnic group or thing like that.

I reject the notion that population is self correcting because I believe it is possible for entire cultures and ethnicities to die out.


That is self correcting. Of course in the modern world it is rather unlikely any culture is going to become extinct - evolving into a new culture is much more likely. If Western nations increase immigration due to falling birth rates than the immigrant culture and the present culture will intermingle to a degree - assimilation, adaption, absorption - change. Perfectly natural.

You make it sound a bit like if something isn't done fast the media of the US or something will be able to have an interview with the last living specimen of true American (or whatever) in 100 years time. It doesn't work like that.

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Postby Jinos » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:13 pm

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Helertia wrote:
I hear Canada's nice?

Image

Good luck trying to get in


The Canada/US border is the longest undefended border in the world.

In all likelihood...people could get away with it.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:40 pm

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Noobubersland wrote:Image

Good luck trying to get in


The Canada/US border is the longest undefended border in the world.

In all likelihood...people could get away with it.

We'll just build a fence. :p

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Postby Ulvena » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:52 pm

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1. The world, mainly America, is becoming increasingly progressive liberal. They "claim" to support individual liberties and equal rights, but they are hypocrites.

2. I'm looking at you U.S. Democrats.

3. Progressive liberals are humanitarian, but yet they think abortion is okay. Abortion is inhumane.

4. yet they support socialism

5. banning firearms

6. doing away with public religion.

7. Obama is a democrat and he has promised to fix this country, but thus far that has not happened.

8. free speech

9. optional healthcare

10. Liberals see right- wing ideologies as evil and primitive when homosexuality is non- productive and is a waste because it does not allow people to reproduce. The right wing only want what is best for the majority.


1. Tell that to France, Canada, South Korea, Germany, and Japan. To name the countries that come off the top of my head.

2. Obama is right wing. That's right, on the world scale, he's right wing.

3. Scientifically, it has yet to be proven that a fetus is considered sapient or not sapient. That's a matter of opinion.

4. Since when has socialism become such a bad stigma? I realize that excessive socialism is bad but excessive amounts of soda is also bad. Socialism in terms of: Give the workers certain rights like not being abused physically or emotionally by the boss or the CEO should pay far more taxes percentage wise since they owe society and the workers as they made their money off of the workers backs and relied on social services more than the average worker.

5. Regulating, not banning. I'm for the 2nd Amendment and I like the Democrat party (or rather, hate less).

6. You mean forcing kids to pray in schools? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." The First Amendment of the Constitution. Or praying in public? Nobody's banning you from praying in public. Even my GOVERNMENT FUNDED SCHOOL, a religious teacher prayed publicly and nobody complained.

7. Firstly, the 2008 crisis? It was under Bush's budget. Even if, technically, Obama is 2008-2012. It's not. Because the President is decided in early December, not November. Even then, the President must go by the last President's budget for a time. Then, this: http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-05 ... ken-sailor

8. You know SOPA? More Republicans wanted it than Democrats.

9. The Obamacare mandate was originally proposed by Nixon along with the Heritage Foundation, a conservative organization.

10. What's good for the majority? Well the majority is white people so I'm guessing only white people can benefit from the Republican party, right? That's a common theme with the Republican party you know. But even if we ignore that, what's good for the majority? You know what's good for the majority? Universal Health Care. Taxing the rich. Balancing the budget.

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:11 pm

Coccygia wrote:
Helertia wrote:
The country as a whole is still moving forward. It's just the Republican party that is free-falling into the 19th century.

Which controls the House and the Supreme Court and will likely win the Senate and White House come Nov. To paraphrase Tiny Tim, God help us, every one.

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Postby Tmutarakhan » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:37 pm

Coccygia wrote:
Helertia wrote:
The country as a whole is still moving forward. It's just the Republican party that is free-falling into the 19th century.

Which controls the House and the Supreme Court and will likely win the Senate and White House come Nov. To paraphrase Tiny Tim, God help us, every one.

Nonsense. Romney is a loser, and the Senate will remain 50/50 (Biden breaking ties when needed) or slightly better for the Democrats.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:52 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Nidaria, I'd like a response.

1Such reasoning is false. Burning down an unclaimed forest containing rare species does not infringe or deprive anyone's rights, but it is still morally wrong. Likewise, viewing pornography is immoral, even though it does not directly harm anyone.
2[A] Again, false. No one is created LGBT. They might suffer from temptations, but those are not caused by God, and it is always possible to overcome these temptations. One suffering (unwillingly) from homosexual inclinations is not homosexual any more than someone who is tempted to steal money (but does not) is a thief. [B]I am glad to have cleared this common misconception.

3. Also, you are quite naive if you expect me to reply to every comment. I skip over many of these comments not because I do not have an answer, but because I do not waste my life on NationStates. I only reply when I want to or when I feel unusually compelled to.


1. Tell me. Where on this planet is there a single piece of land not claimed by anybody? Burning down a forest will inherently destroy property, since the forest is property. Secondly, how exactly is porn inherently immoral, especially when it doesn't inherently deprive/infringe on anybody's rights?

2. [A] Why would somebody choose to be LGBT, then? Especially when in most of the world one can be killed by the government for being LGBT? To choose to be LGBT would be like shooting oneself in the foot before running a marathon.

[B] You didn't clear up any misconceptions, because you seem to be suffering from a few.

3. I never said I expected you to. I simply requested you to respond. Besides, as another posted already said, its considered polite to respond.

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Nothing he said made much sense, but fascists never make sense.

Please, don't call him a Fascist. That's an insult to Fascists (like I previously was) who don't have hatred for other races.

He's a Nazi.


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Postby Ulvena » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:53 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:
Coccygia wrote:Which controls the House and the Supreme Court and will likely win the Senate and White House come Nov. To paraphrase Tiny Tim, God help us, every one.

Nonsense. Romney is a loser, and the Senate will remain 50/50 (Biden breaking ties when needed) or slightly better for the Democrats.


A loser that apparently might actually win.

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:54 pm

Grenartia wrote:Nazis are to fascists as North Korea is to a democratic republic. [/not a fascist]

Nazis takes every bad part of fascism and omits the few good parts.

Just like North Korea takes every bad aspect of authoritarian socialism and keeps none of the few good parts.
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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:56 pm

Ulvena wrote:
Tmutarakhan wrote:Nonsense. Romney is a loser, and the Senate will remain 50/50 (Biden breaking ties when needed) or slightly better for the Democrats.


A loser that apparently might actually win.

Eh, not really. There's a thread on NSG called "Romney vs. Obama: Handicapping the Race" where we go into detail about the actual race.

Needless to say, Obama's winning everywhere it counts. The popular vote is only close because Romney is over-performing in states he is guaranteed to win.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:07 pm

Ulvena wrote:
Tmutarakhan wrote:Nonsense. Romney is a loser, and the Senate will remain 50/50 (Biden breaking ties when needed) or slightly better for the Democrats.


A loser that apparently might actually win.


Only if all indicators up till this point are wrong.

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Postby Grenartia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:14 pm

Ulvena wrote:
Tmutarakhan wrote:Nonsense. Romney is a loser, and the Senate will remain 50/50 (Biden breaking ties when needed) or slightly better for the Democrats.


A loser that apparently might actually win.


If he wins, I'm going to Canada. Or Australia. Whichever.

Wamitoria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Nazis are to fascists as North Korea is to a democratic republic. [/not a fascist]

Nazis takes every bad part of fascism and omits the few good parts.

Just like North Korea takes every bad aspect of authoritarian socialism and keeps none of the few good parts.


That's more or less my point.
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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:17 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Nazis takes every bad part of fascism and omits the few good parts.

Just like North Korea takes every bad aspect of authoritarian socialism and keeps none of the few good parts.


That's more or less my point.

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Postby Alaje » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:51 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Nazis are to fascists as North Korea is to a democratic republic. [/not a fascist]

Nazis takes every bad part of fascism and omits the few good parts.

Just like North Korea takes every bad aspect of authoritarian socialism and keeps none of the few good parts.


That's an interesting point of view......but not a neccesarily incorrect one.
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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:56 pm

Alaje wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Nazis takes every bad part of fascism and omits the few good parts.

Just like North Korea takes every bad aspect of authoritarian socialism and keeps none of the few good parts.


That's an interesting point of view......but not a neccesarily incorrect one.

It makes sense from what I consider the good parts of Fascism. Futurist art, corporatism, and cultural nationalism as opposed to ethnic nationalism. The Nazis didn't have any of those things.
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