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Do Christian phrases and idioms bother you?

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Postby Swith Witherward » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:36 am

Background: I was having a chat with one of my Christian friends last night when she sneezed several times in a row. My response was "ah, that's a sneeze" each time. I'm not prone to saying "God bless you" or "bless you". That lead to a curious conversation about "bible sayings" and Christian phrasing that are still in use today.

Etymology of a Sort: "Bless you" may have been based on one of a few old beliefs: during times of plague, "bless you" was meant as a warding phrase; people believed that the soul momentarily left the body, or a demon was expelled, or that the heart momentarily stopped; a person was going to fall into luck, and so it was a generic response wishing the "sneezer" good fortune. I stopped using it when a friend asked me "just who exactly are you asking to bless me?" Good point.

Other expressions are a direct pull from some English translations of the bible: "A drop in the bucket" stems from Isaiah 40:15; "A man after my own heart" is taken from Samuel 13:14; "At his wits' end" is Psalm 107:2; "Bite the dust" is Psalm 72:9; "Fight the good fight" is 1 Titus 6:12; "Going the extra mile" from Matthew 5:41; "[killed] like lambs at the slaughter" occurs in several passages throughout the OT and NT; "Like mother, like daughter" Ezekial 16:44; "[he's] nothing but skin and bones" Job 19:19-20; "The apple of his eye" Deuteronomy 32:10; "Twinkling of an eye" 1 Corinthians 15:52; "Woe is me" Psalms 120:5. Again, these vary by translation (KJV vs NIV vs Oxford etc). Some of them have fallen out of use and others still find footing in conversation. It can also be argued that some of these phrases occur in other cultures too thereby making them something more secular than Christian-based. Some countries have the "[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law]Good Samaritan Law[\url]" which releases a citizen from any malpractice claims if he responds to a disaster or accident and further complicates the victim's injuries.

Some of us really don't care where phrasing comes from. Others are anal-retentive and refuse to use anything associated with Christians. I'm an etymology buff and I tend to saver even the most archaic phrases as something delightful.


This brings me back to the conversation with my friend. She's been on the receiving end of some harsh commentary on several occasions for using more common phrases such as "The wages of sin is death" and "forbidden fruit".

My question (to my fellow atheists) is: as someone who does not embrace Christianity or believe in the Abrahamic God... how do you navigate around phrases associated with biblical passages or Christian beliefs? Do "Christian-oriented idioms" offend you? Do you feel that biblical-based expressions should not be used in secular context (non-Christian literature, displays, as advertisement, etc)?

For the record, I'm not offended and couldn't care less about how someone expresses themselves so long as they are civil, but I am curious as to how others feel about it. I see it as possibly a quandary for some more-militant people who wish to avoid anything and everything associated with a belief system.
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Postby Meridiani Planum » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:40 am

Swith Witherward wrote:My question (to my fellow atheists) is: as someone who does not embrace Christianity or believe in the Abrahamic God... how do you navigate around phrases associated with biblical passages or Christian beliefs?


I don't bother worrying about that. If anyone asks, I'll just say that I'm using culturally acceptable phrases.

Do "Christian-oriented idioms" offend you? Do you feel that biblical-based expressions should not be used in secular context (non-Christian literature, displays, as advertisement, etc)?


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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:41 am

Meridiani Planum wrote:
Swith Witherward wrote:My question (to my fellow atheists) is: as someone who does not embrace Christianity or believe in the Abrahamic God... how do you navigate around phrases associated with biblical passages or Christian beliefs?


I don't bother worrying about that. If anyone asks, I'll just say that I'm using culturally acceptable phrases.

Do "Christian-oriented idioms" offend you? Do you feel that biblical-based expressions should not be used in secular context (non-Christian literature, displays, as advertisement, etc)?


No and no.

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Postby Alaje » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:42 am

As an atheist, but also a linguist, I don't really have a problem with these terms. People who make a big deal about them are childish.
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Postby Silent Majority » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:42 am

As an Atheist I'm not offended when someone says "bless you" for the same reason I'm not offended when someone says "my prayers are with you", it's as the old saying goes: it's the thought that counts.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:44 am

Swith Witherward wrote: Do "Christian-oriented idioms" offend you?

No. I accept the blatant fact that Christianity is ingrained in my country's culture, literature and language.
Hey, Christianity here was the ONLY allowed religion for 1600 years here, and for about 150 more it was the official State religion.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:45 am

Im not bothered at all by it. I would see no reason to be annoyed, its only friendly sayings and greetings. I even occasionally say bless you because i was raised as a Catholic but im growing detached from it and say it less often now.
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Postby Enadail » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:46 am

I look at words and phrases, regardless of root, by their meaning.

A lot of people say they don't curse but say 'darn' or 'frack' instead. And while it might be more permissible in polite company, it doesn't mean the person isn't cursing... just using different words for it. Its kinda why I gave up on the whole notion that I don't curse. I commonly use phrases with the words 'God' or 'hell', mostly because I don't think about it. While I wouldn't insert religious terms into sentences just because,

The same way, if its a cultural norm/polite thing to do, I do. When someone sneezes, I typically say 'gesundheit', as it recognized in intention, and also carries a religious-neutral meaning (as far as I understand). And some cultures don't have a word for it, such as in India (Hindi). I've never heard an Indian word for when someone sneezes.

So nah, I'm not offended if I sneeze and someone says 'bless you' or 'god bless you'. I think its something most people don't even consider in their day to day, and as long as someone doesn't say 'god bless you, now come to church so we can help you repent for your sins', I'll take their intent rather then their words.

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Postby TUR Founder » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:52 am

I don't say the Christian Phrase,

I have to say the Muslim one......

I navigate around it by simply being quiet.....
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:58 am

Silent Majority wrote:As an Atheist I'm not offended when someone says "bless you" for the same reason I'm not offended when someone says "my prayers are with you", it's as the old saying goes: it's the thought that counts.


Indeed, I'm not offended by people praying for me as it's their way of showing that they care for you. I object to being made to worship, but I have no problem with people observing religious customs. I'm an atheist, and I say "Bless you!". It's mostly lost its religious meaning anyway, it's just a cultural idiom. I still think that the Germans are more sensible, though, saying "Gesundheit!" ["Health!"] when someone sneezes.
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Postby Choronzon » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:59 am

I say "Bless you" because its just what we said in my family when someone sneezed. Getting in a tizzy over it is complaining just to complain.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:03 pm

Not really, no. It's just a phrase -- and besides, who cares?

(Also, to be honest, I didn't even know that many of these idioms that you mentioned even had a Biblical backstory...)
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Postby Swith Witherward » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:05 pm

I feel the same... it's the thought that counts.
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Postby Olthar » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:05 pm

I didn't even know that most of those were Christian until you told me, so no. Besides, it doesn't matter where they came from; they're still an indelible part of our language and culture. Even the most arrogantly militant atheists can't deny that Christianity has had a massive and permanent impact on our culture, and it would just be silly and petty to try and deny every aspect of that. So, no. I'm not going to throw a hissy fit when someone uses a phrase that came from the Bible a few hundred years ago.
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Postby Meridiani Planum » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:10 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:I still think that the Germans are more sensible, though, saying "Gesundheit!" ["Health!"] when someone sneezes.


I'm not German, but that is what I tend to say. It's not because it's unreligious, but simply because it sounds cooler than "Bless you!"
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Postby Rakir » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:11 pm

I have no problem whatsoever using phrases such as 'bless you' or 'oh my god' because I've never used them in a religious sense, even before I was an atheist. They are simply phrases that encode meaning; where they originated has no bearing on their current use.
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Postby Atheimsa » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:12 pm

Well in germany we just don't have many god related phrases. Bless you for example is as some may know: 'Gesundheit' (health)
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Postby Katganistan » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:14 pm

Swith Witherward wrote:Background: I was having a chat with one of my Christian friends last night when she sneezed several times in a row. My response was "ah, that's a sneeze" each time. I'm not prone to saying "God bless you" or "bless you". That lead to a curious conversation about "bible sayings" and Christian phrasing that are still in use today.


You have a problem, perhaps, with "your good health!" or "Gesundheit?"

"Ah, that's a sneeze" sounds like you think the person who sneezed or the others around him are too stupid to recognize what it is.

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:16 pm

Despite being atheist I make frequent references to God. I mean the purpose isn't really to confer a holy blessing so I just see it as a phrase.
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Postby Nadkor » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:21 pm

Swith Witherward wrote:My response was "ah, that's a sneeze" each time.


You didn't.

Please, tell me you didn't.

That's too ridiculous to be true. It can't be.


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Swith Witherward wrote:My question (to my fellow atheists) is: as someone who does not embrace Christianity or believe in the Abrahamic God... how do you navigate around phrases associated with biblical passages or Christian beliefs?


I don't bother worrying about that. If anyone asks, I'll just say that I'm using culturally acceptable phrases.

Do "Christian-oriented idioms" offend you? Do you feel that biblical-based expressions should not be used in secular context (non-Christian literature, displays, as advertisement, etc)?


No and no.


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Postby Helcasia » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:22 pm

No, although I do refuse to say "Good Luck" if that's at all relevant.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:23 pm

Helcasia wrote:No, although I do refuse to say "Good Luck" if that's at all relevant.

Why would you not wish someone good luck?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:25 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Helcasia wrote:No, although I do refuse to say "Good Luck" if that's at all relevant.

Why would you not wish someone good luck?

There's only so much luck to go around. Gotta hold on to what you got.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:26 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Why would you not wish someone good luck?

There's only so much luck to go around. Gotta hold on to what you got.

Hmm ... good point. Of course, you Irish have those little guys in green outfits who dispense luck. Bit of an advantage, that.
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Postby Olthar » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:26 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Why would you not wish someone good luck?

There's only so much luck to go around. Gotta hold on to what you got.

Truly, the luck shortage has affected us all. :(
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