Why Iran needs the Nuke

[Nordengrund]

We cannot ban nukes in Israel or force Israel to do anything. This is because any country who messes with Israel will fall.

[Fersceau]

Let's think about the atomic bomb when it was first developed. The US developed the bomb to hasten the end to the second world war. Since then, every industrialized and semi-industrialized nation wants to prove their strength by obtaining a nuclear bomb. Once America had one, the Soviets needed it for strength. Then France and Britain, our principle European allies, needed them to protect themselves from the Soviets. China decided to develop it in order to prove its strength. India wanted nukes to overpower Pakistan, then Pakistan developed nukes to ensure India wouldn't attack. Israel developed nukes for self-preservation due to its place in an extremely hostile region. North Korea developed nukes because of self-preservation. A world without the Soviet Union was not exactly the best atmosphere for the North. And now Iran decides it wants a nuclear weapon not to, as ahmadinejad has said, "wipe Israel off the face of the earth." They want a nuke to preven themselves from the international community, which doesn't seem to like Iran either. So let me ask you this question:

Is Iran any less justified in creating a nuclear weapon than the US or any other nation?

[Yandere Schoolgirls]

Let's think about the atomic bomb when it was first developed. The US developed the bomb to hasten the end to the second world war. Since then, every industrialized and semi-industrialized nation wants to prove their strength by obtaining a nuclear bomb. Once America had one, the Soviets needed it for strength. Then France and Britain, our principle European allies, needed them to protect themselves from the Soviets. China decided to develop it in order to prove its strength. India wanted nukes to overpower Pakistan, then Pakistan developed nukes to ensure India wouldn't attack. Israel developed nukes for self-preservation due to its place in an extremely hostile region. North Korea developed nukes because of self-preservation. A world without the Soviet Union was not exactly the best atmosphere for the North. And now Iran decides it wants a nuclear weapon not to, as ahmadinejad has said, "wipe Israel off the face of the earth." They want a nuke to preven themselves from the international community, which doesn't seem to like Iran either. So let me ask you this question:

Is Iran any less justified in creating a nuclear weapon than the US or any other nation?

What It think you're getting at is that they are justified, and if you are then I totally agree with you. I don't see why it's so hard to see why any country would want to protect their country through use of nuclear deterrent. The best things we can do for nations like North Korea, and Iran so that they'll let down their guard is for us to set an example ourselves and start to trade fairly with them instead of threatening to bomb them for more resources, because that age is coming to an end.

[Alien Space Bats]

Firstly, the Shah is dead.

There is this thing called ''line of succession''

Christ! Next thing you know, Hippo will be calling for the restoration of the Romanovs, Bourbons, Hohenzollerns, and Stuarts...

[Neo Art]

There is this thing called ''line of succession''

Christ! Next thing you know, Hippo will be calling for the restoration of the Romanovs, Bourbons, Hohenzollerns, and Stuarts...

Frankly, I think it's time to reinstate the roman empire.

[Fersceau]

Christ! Next thing you know, Hippo will be calling for the restoration of the Romanovs, Bourbons, Hohenzollerns, and Stuarts...

Frankly, I think it's time to reinstate the roman empire.

All Hail Ramesses the 1,000th!

[Alien Space Bats]

I can agree that Reza is a good fellow (unlike his father) and I wouldn't mind if he was given a ceremonial role in government

Yes, that's what I mean. Iran would be a constitutional monarchy. His father actually was a good fellow too.

Pay no attention to the mangled limbs and testicles.

Only countries that should have nukes are USA, UK, France and Israel.

Charleton Heston, Russia, and cold, dead hands. Just sayin'.

[Pribram]

Why Iran needs the Nuke??

And why US needs nukes??Its simple because it will help them to spread their power.....

[Turan Federasyonu]

Iran is a fascist country which massacres its minorities. The Turk-populated northwest of this country (South Azerbaijan) is systematically enslaved and assimilated and persifized. Iran should be obliterated.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Iran is a fascist country which massacres its minorities. The Turk-populated northwest of this country (South Azerbaijan) is systematically enslaved and assimilated and persifized. Iran should be obliterated.

Pot meet kettle.

[Turan Federasyonu]

Iran is a fascist country which massacres its minorities. The Turk-populated northwest of this country (South Azerbaijan) is systematically enslaved and assimilated and persifized. Iran should be obliterated.

Pot meet kettle.

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[L Ron Cupboard]

Pot meet kettle.

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It is hypocritical for a Turk to call for Iran to be obliterated for massacring minorities. Following your logic Turkey should also be obliterated.

[Turan Federasyonu]

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It is hypocritical for a Turk to call for Iran to be obliterated for massacring minorities. Following your logic Turkey should also be obliterated.

There are not minorities in Turkey

[Risottia]

As previously mentioned, disarmament between the largest NWS, the US and Russia, is tied to bilateral treaties. While the NPT encourages disarmament, it does not mandate it.

Hence, the NNPT is just like Earth: mostly harmless.

Well, that's to be expected since it came about in the height of the Cold War. But disarmament happens, and is happening now.

Actually, it looks like both superpowers are keeping enough nukes to turn the world into trinitite a couple of times at least. That's not disarmament... that's merely increasing efficiency.

As for the DPRK, I don't know what you're talking about.

I'm talking about North Korea and their nuclear program. Watch the news sometimes.

They've been under the same amount of scrutiny by the international community for their violation of the NPT as they've always been.

Ehm, no. They left the NPT briefly, that's the trick they used to avoid IAEA inspections.

They are a rogue state under heavy international sanctions.

And isn't Iran under heavy international sanctions?

It's not an "insane notion". It's realpolitik.

And when it violates international law, that makes it an international issue.

Which are expected to be settled at the UN. Not by one or two countries (Israel and the US in this case) jumping to their guns.

As far as breaking international law goes, violating the NPT is probably the biggest fuck-up you can make.

History suggests that messing with oil is the biggest fuck-up you can make.
And about international law, so far no country has been attacked because they violated the NNPT, unless you want to swallow the bullshit Colin Powell fed to the UN Security Council. While other countries have been attacked, under UN resolution, for OTHER violations.

And even as a matter of realpolitik, it's extremely unlikely that acquiring nuclear weapons in the status quo nuclear climate would be beneficial. Certainly it wouldn't be for Iran.

It worked fine for NK. Blast a nuke, suddenly people fear your retaliation.

So, try answering to my points instead of attacking the strawmen you fabricate.

It's no strawman. You may not believe it, but this thread is full of people who do.

So, now you claim I support some position because OTHER posters whom you oppose support it? That's ANOTHER strawman.
Nice fail. I think we're done here.

[Risottia]

There are not minorities in Turkey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Turkey

[L Ron Cupboard]

It is hypocritical for a Turk to call for Iran to be obliterated for massacring minorities. Following your logic Turkey should also be obliterated.

There are not minorities in Turkey

Bullshit

[Turan Federasyonu]

The kurds are a human rubbishç the armenians- I wont even open a word of them

[L Ron Cupboard]

The kurds are a human rubbishç the armenians- I wont even open a word of them

Spoken like a true fascist.

[Turan Federasyonu]

The kurds are a human rubbishç the armenians- I wont even open a word of them

Spoken like a true fascist.

If patriotism and hatered of the enemies of your nation is fascism- ok, no problem. However, not we, the "armenians" are fascists

[Socialist Republic of Chichistan]

Spoken like a true fascist.

If patriotism and hatered of the enemies of your nation is fascism- ok, no problem. However, not we, the "armenians" are fascists

There is a difference between patriotism and thinking others are not worthy of existence. You sound Israeli.

Anyway, back to the point, I truly wish that Iran does get a nuke because it needs one to protect itself from countries that sponsor terrorism (i.e. Israel who has been asassinating Iranian physicists which should be considered an act of war)

[Pribram]

Spoken like a true fascist.

If patriotism and hatered of the enemies of your nation is fascism- ok, no problem. However, not we, the "armenians" are fascists

Yes it is fascism or at least its racism.Its interesting that Turks hate almost every nation what have borders with them.Hmmm

[Farnhamia]

If patriotism and hatered of the enemies of your nation is fascism- ok, no problem. However, not we, the "armenians" are fascists

There is a difference between patriotism and thinking others are not worthy of existence. You sound Israeli.

Anyway, back to the point, I truly wish that Iran does get a nuke because it needs one to protect itself from countries that sponsor terrorism (i.e. Israel who has been asassinating Iranian physicists which should be considered an act of war)

Iran could, of course, declare war on Israel at any time. One wonders why they don't. Could it be their own sponsorship of terrorist organizations like Hezbollah? The idea that Iran needs a nuclear weapon so that it can exact revenge on another country (or even threaten it) is one of the reasons the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which Iran signed and ratified, was created.

[Risottia]

The idea that Iran needs a nuclear weapon so that it can exact revenge on another country (or even threaten it) is one of the reasons the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which Iran signed and ratified, was created.

And how does one defend itself from the threats of non-NPT countries... like, dunno, one bordering Iran, and the other threatening Iran on a weekly basis?

IF Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons (which so far still isn't certain), I hardly think Iran's neighbours have done a lot to persuade them not to...

[The House of Petain]

The fear is not that Iran would have WMDs. Say what you will about the current regime there, they are not insane. The fear is if the regime fell during a revolution, extremists would get their hands on nuclear weapons.

[Turan Federasyonu]

If patriotism and hatered of the enemies of your nation is fascism- ok, no problem. However, not we, the "armenians" are fascists

Yes it is fascism or at least its racism.Its interesting that Turks hate almost every nation what have borders with them.Hmmm

The armenians make headaches in every nation they exist. They stole land from Azerbaijan and now trying to steal land from Georgia in order to create a greater armenia