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Has the UN Failed?

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Fishyland
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Has the UN Failed?

Postby Fishyland » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:02 pm

Well, has it? Is the UN really that global force for peace and equality that it was meant to be? Or is it just The United States' pawn? Or is it just a general laughing stock?
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Postby Noobubersland » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:06 pm

What's your opinion?
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:09 pm

Noobubersland wrote:What's your opinion?

You know, I was wondering the same thing.
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Postby TaQud » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:13 pm

Fishyland wrote:Well, has it? Is the UN really that global force for peace and equality that it was meant to be? Or is it just The United States' pawn? Or is it just a general laughing stock?
Let's go nationstates! Let's see some good arguments! (And possibly nationalistic flame wars...)

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Postby Meowfoundland » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:14 pm

No, it's done a lot of good things. It may not be super efficient or amazingly effective, but it's better than nothing.

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Postby Tanovart » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:17 pm

I think the UN is a good idea, but in practice it's an epic fail (just like communism!) It seems to be the US' pawn.


Oh, and their flag sucks.
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Postby Icoservmot » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:17 pm

Fishyland wrote:Well, has it? Is the UN really that global force for peace and equality that it was meant to be? Or is it just The United States' pawn? Or is it just a general laughing stock?
Let's go nationstates! Let's see some good arguments! (And possibly nationalistic flame wars...)


Other way around in my opinion, but who cares. I say let UN die. It'll be the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:18 pm

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Postby Takaram » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:20 pm

It was never going to instantly create world peace, but in general I would say that it generally has made the world better than it would be without it.

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Postby Silent Majority » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:20 pm

It certainly does at least one thing well, and that is keeping independent websites from using their name and logo without their permission. :p
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Postby Creative Vikings » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:20 pm

Fishyland wrote:Well, has it? Is the UN really that global force for peace and equality that it was meant to be? Or is it just The United States' pawn? Or is it just a general laughing stock?
Let's go nationstates! Let's see some good arguments! (And possibly nationalistic flame wars...)

No, I do not believe it is the pawn of the US, what I do believe it's close to being set on the track to become a second 'League of Nations'.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:21 pm

Fishyland wrote:Well, has it? Is the UN really that global force for peace and equality that it was meant to be? Or is it just The United States' pawn? Or is it just a general laughing stock?
Let's go nationstates! Let's see some good arguments! (And possibly nationalistic flame wars...)


it was meant to stop the US and the USSR going to war with each other.

so far its been a smashing success.
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Postby Fishyland » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:21 pm

My opinion is that ultimately the UN has failed. And all in all its just US's pawn.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:23 pm

Fishyland wrote:My opinion is that ultimately the UN has failed. And all in all its just US's pawn.

Really? The US can't get the shit in Syria to stop thanks to Russia and China. If it was the pawn of the United States, we'd be running the world by now.

*checks* Nope.

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Postby Altito Asmoro » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:23 pm

Fishyland wrote:Well, has it? Is the UN really that global force for peace and equality that it was meant to be? Or is it just The United States' pawn? Or is it just a general laughing stock?
Let's go nationstates! Let's see some good arguments! (And possibly nationalistic flame wars...)



Peace? UN failed to made peace!!! Look at Somalia, they never have peace. What I think, is that UN is not US pawn, but UN is the Western's pawn.
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Postby Tanovart » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:23 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Fishyland wrote:Well, has it? Is the UN really that global force for peace and equality that it was meant to be? Or is it just The United States' pawn? Or is it just a general laughing stock?
Let's go nationstates! Let's see some good arguments! (And possibly nationalistic flame wars...)


it was meant to stop the US and the USSR going to war with each other.

so far its been a smashing success.



If that was its only goal, then it succeeded. It serves no purpose currently, then.
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I am very proud of my conlang and will use it profusely.

I speak English fluently, a lot of French, and a bit of German and Spanish.

Tanovart is a more leftist version of my beliefs. Also I have absolutely no idea why my economy is so horrible.

The language is called "Travonatian" which is Tanovart backwards plus -ian. It's...complicated.


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Ekonom K/D: -5.25
Libert/Ohorite: -7.69

Otar fjer dyof kon-taln evjytlix kot profyxmi.

O parlar Enkelxnønj, Fronxjnø, e pit dyexpanjøxw e dyitxnøc.

Tanovart etar den dy kox-politik verxn dofek plifek. Epjok ide parkvar of ekonmitok te mal.

Dy taln etar [Travonaxen] mej natifolit etar [Tanovart] kjetar [Travonatian] revrex pi [ian]. Kotar...complekx.

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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:25 pm

Fishyland wrote:My opinion is that ultimately the UN has failed. And all in all its just US's pawn.


Failed how? Do you mean the Security Council? The World Health Organisation? UNICEF? UNESCO? etc etc etc

Bugger it - here is a list of the orgs from wiki

1 Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)
2 International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)
3 International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD)
4 International Labour Organization (ILO)
5 International Maritime Organization (IMO)
6 International Monetary Fund (IMF)
7 International Telecommunication Union (ITU)
8 United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO)
9 United Nations Industrial Development Organization (UNIDO)
10 Universal Postal Union (UPU)
11 World Bank Group

11.1 International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD)
11.2 International Finance Corporation (IFC)
11.3 International Development Association (IDA)

12 World Health Organization (WHO)
13 World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO)
14 World Meteorological Organization (WMO)
15 World Tourism Organization (UNWTO)
16 Former specialized agencies
17 Related and comparable organizations

17.1 International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)
17.2 World Trade Organization (WTO)
17.3 Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons
17.4 CTBTO Preparatory Commission

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... ed_Nations

How have they failed?
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:25 pm

Fishyland wrote:My opinion is that ultimately the UN has failed. And all in all its just US's pawn.

If the UN is just the US' pawn, why does it constantly condemn Israel, an ally of the US?

Rather, I would say that the UN is a failure because it is not any one nation's (or a group of nation's) pawn. Nobody can get anything done because there are too many conflicting agendas in play, particularly by the security council members.

Some aspects of the UN work, of course. UNESCO and the World Heritage Site deal are moth worthy endeavors which are not complete failures.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:28 pm

Tanovart wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
it was meant to stop the US and the USSR going to war with each other.

so far its been a smashing success.



If that was its only goal, then it succeeded. It serves no purpose currently, then.


its current purpose is to stop the US and the Russian Federation going to war.
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

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Postby Fradonia » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:28 pm

I don't believe its failed as much as I just believe it to be unnecessary.
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Postby Gaveo » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:29 pm

Yes, the UN has failed. Mainly cause the UN gave China and Russia powers that the US doesn't have (not that the US needs it) like they can single handedly veto votes, most recent example is the action with Syria... Now thanks to those idiotic power giving the Syrian people have been killed by a ruthless so called "President"...
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:30 pm

Gaveo wrote:Yes, the UN has failed. Mainly cause the UN gave China and Russia powers that the US doesn't have (not that the US needs it) like they can single handedly veto votes, most recent example is the action with Syria... Now thanks to those idiotic power giving the Syrian people have been killed by a ruthless so called "President"...


the US has veto power too. indeed it may still hold the record for using it.
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"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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DEFCON 1 - at war "go to red alert!" "are you absolutely sure sir? it does mean changing the lightbulb."


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Postby Meowfoundland » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:30 pm

Gaveo wrote:Yes, the UN has failed. Mainly cause the UN gave China and Russia powers that the US doesn't have (not that the US needs it) like they can single handedly veto votes, most recent example is the action with Syria... Now thanks to those idiotic power giving the Syrian people have been killed by a ruthless so called "President"...

The US also has that power, along with Britain and France.
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Postby Noobubersland » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:31 pm

Gaveo wrote:Yes, the UN has failed. Mainly cause the UN gave China and Russia powers that the US doesn't have (not that the US needs it) like they can single handedly veto votes, most recent example is the action with Syria... Now thanks to those idiotic power giving the Syrian people have been killed by a ruthless so called "President"...

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