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Postby Arlim » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:05 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Norstal wrote:Which is a secular nation.


A secular Christian nation.

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Postby Altaiire » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:05 pm

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They were also very good swimmers, being able to escape total collapse of civilization from the global flood and whatnot. Either that, or their alien overlords beamed them off Earth 'til low tide.


Beam me up, Scotty?


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Veladio wrote:Or...not exist.


But actually, amazing.

And that's the great mystery, isn't it? How can such a fanatical radical seemingly unbelievable thing be real? How is it possible? And yet He is.


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They were also very good swimmers, being able to escape total collapse of civilization from the global flood and whatnot. Either that, or their alien overlords beamed them off Earth 'til low tide.


Beam me up, Scotty?

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But then, America.

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Indeed. The world is Chinese by plurality. *nods*
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Beam me up, Scotty?

Never said that


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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:06 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Norstal wrote:Which is a secular nation.

A secular Christian nation.

:rofl: No. Not officially.

Read the First Amendment and get back to me.
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Postby Doctor whooves » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:06 pm

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Beam me up, Scotty?

Never said that

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Postby Huskvarneque » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:07 pm

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OP is trolling. It's pretty funny, honestly.


I really wish people would stop accusing me of both trolling and being funny. Neither of those are valid statements.


You might not be trolling, but you can still be being funny to some people, that's a matter of opinion if your being funny. Just because you don't mean to be, doesn't mean you aren't to some people... perspective is a bitch.

And also... I'm really sick of these threads... I believe this point was made, how did all the fish survive? If a flood happened then all the water would be turned to salt water, fresh water fish would die, unless of course, they were on said Ark... so there had to be some fish on that Ark. Also, the problems of only having a male and a female of a species on the boat, not only the inbreeding and genetic problems that would have happened due to the extreme incest, how did Noah keep all the animals from killing one another? Not all animals get along... some hunt other's, and keeping them contained for so long without these troubles is extremely difficult. And plus, food, not all animals hibernate, and saying they were just given the ability to is insane, and cheating, you need a better explanation other then "god did it". And those aren't even all the holes in this, this statement has so many holes it'd sink in a real debate.... (I don't much consider NS 'real debating', no offence xP). Sorry, I just don't see it being possible... :/

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Postby Jimanistan » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:07 pm

This seems highly unlikely, not to mention rather unrealistic.

I prefer to read Noah's Ark as a morality tale, the subject matter of which was fairly common among religions of the Bronze/Iron Age Near East.
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:08 pm

Doctor whooves wrote:Wait, if I may ask a serious question here: How do you know god exists?

Because there is a website which "argues" (if we may call it that) that since universal laws exist, God must exist-- then he denies that universal laws exist.
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Postby The Drone Empire » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:08 pm

The Drone Empire wrote:If there was a global flood, why don't the Ancient Egyptian record this? Were they not around at this time? Aside from the flooding of the Nile [Which was normal], there were no massive, catastrophic floods recorded during that time...

This is an excerpt from here. Just go to "Evidence Against"

The Great Pyramid of Cheops was built about 2589-2566 BC, about 230 years before the flood, yet it has no water marks on it. The Djoser Step Pyramid at Saqqara, Egypt, built about 2630 BC doesn't show any signs of having been under water. Likewise for many other ancient structures. But even more importantly, the Egyptians have continuous historical records for hundreds of years before and after the time of the flood that make no mention of a great flood. This shows that they were not only not aware of a global flood, they certainly were not greatly affected by one. Outside of the Bible, there is no historical or physical evidence that would place a worldwide flood during the time period specified by the Bible for the great flood.


And no "ITS A TEST" bull crap - give me a real response, dammit!


EDIT: By the way, the "Evidence For" lists The Bible, which is poor evidence, and some biased creationist claims...



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Postby Noobubersland » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:08 pm

Norstal wrote:
Noobubersland wrote:And now:
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Indeed. The world is Chinese by plurality. *nods*

I, for one, welcome Pax Zhongguo

But really, I wonder how OP will justify it in a "Christian's never lose!" sense, I mean there are more Muslims in China then Christians, and Muslims are mostly in... Xinjiang I think?
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Postby Doctor whooves » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:08 pm

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LogiChristianity wrote:
I really wish people would stop accusing me of both trolling and being funny. Neither of those are valid statements.


You might not be trolling, but you can still be being funny to some people, that's a matter of opinion if your being funny. Just because you don't mean to be, doesn't mean you aren't to some people... perspective is a bitch.

And also... I'm really sick of these threads... I believe this point was made, how did all the fish survive? If a flood happened then all the water would be turned to salt water, fresh water fish would die, unless of course, they were on said Ark... so there had to be some fish on that Ark. Also, the problems of only having a male and a female of a species on the boat, not only the inbreeding and genetic problems that would have happened due to the extreme incest, how did Noah keep all the animals from killing one another? Not all animals get along... some hunt other's, and keeping them contained for so long without these troubles is extremely difficult. And plus, food, not all animals hibernate, and saying they were just given the ability to is insane, and cheating, you need a better explanation other then "god did it". And those aren't even all the holes in this, this statement has so many holes it'd sink in a real debate.... (I don't much consider NS 'real debating', no offence xP). Sorry, I just don't see it being possible... :/

Woah... The kooky point I initially made was a legit one...
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Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:09 pm

Huskvarneque wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:
I really wish people would stop accusing me of both trolling and being funny. Neither of those are valid statements.


You might not be trolling, but you can still be being funny to some people, that's a matter of opinion if your being funny. Just because you don't mean to be, doesn't mean you aren't to some people... perspective is a bitch.

And also... I'm really sick of these threads... I believe this point was made, how did all the fish survive? If a flood happened then all the water would be turned to salt water, fresh water fish would die, unless of course, they were on said Ark... so there had to be some fish on that Ark. Also, the problems of only having a male and a female of a species on the boat, not only the inbreeding and genetic problems that would have happened due to the extreme incest, how did Noah keep all the animals from killing one another? Not all animals get along... some hunt other's, and keeping them contained for so long without these troubles is extremely difficult. And plus, food, not all animals hibernate, and saying they were just given the ability to is insane, and cheating, you need a better explanation other then "god did it". And those aren't even all the holes in this, this statement has so many holes it'd sink in a real debate.... (I don't much consider NS 'real debating', no offence xP). Sorry, I just don't see it being possible... :/


Why is "God did it" NOT a reasonable answer?
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:09 pm

Huskvarneque wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:
I really wish people would stop accusing me of both trolling and being funny. Neither of those are valid statements.


You might not be trolling, but you can still be being funny to some people, that's a matter of opinion if your being funny. Just because you don't mean to be, doesn't mean you aren't to some people... perspective is a bitch.

And also... I'm really sick of these threads... I believe this point was made, how did all the fish survive? If a flood happened then all the water would be turned to salt water, fresh water fish would die, unless of course, they were on said Ark... so there had to be some fish on that Ark. Also, the problems of only having a male and a female of a species on the boat, not only the inbreeding and genetic problems that would have happened due to the extreme incest, how did Noah keep all the animals from killing one another? Not all animals get along... some hunt other's, and keeping them contained for so long without these troubles is extremely difficult. And plus, food, not all animals hibernate, and saying they were just given the ability to is insane, and cheating, you need a better explanation other then "god did it". And those aren't even all the holes in this, this statement has so many holes it'd sink in a real debate.... (I don't much consider NS 'real debating', no offence xP). Sorry, I just don't see it being possible... :/


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Postby Veladio » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:09 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Huskvarneque wrote:
You might not be trolling, but you can still be being funny to some people, that's a matter of opinion if your being funny. Just because you don't mean to be, doesn't mean you aren't to some people... perspective is a bitch.

And also... I'm really sick of these threads... I believe this point was made, how did all the fish survive? If a flood happened then all the water would be turned to salt water, fresh water fish would die, unless of course, they were on said Ark... so there had to be some fish on that Ark. Also, the problems of only having a male and a female of a species on the boat, not only the inbreeding and genetic problems that would have happened due to the extreme incest, how did Noah keep all the animals from killing one another? Not all animals get along... some hunt other's, and keeping them contained for so long without these troubles is extremely difficult. And plus, food, not all animals hibernate, and saying they were just given the ability to is insane, and cheating, you need a better explanation other then "god did it". And those aren't even all the holes in this, this statement has so many holes it'd sink in a real debate.... (I don't much consider NS 'real debating', no offence xP). Sorry, I just don't see it being possible... :/


Why is "God did it" NOT a reasonable answer?

Because you can't prove it.
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Postby Noobubersland » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:09 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Huskvarneque wrote:
You might not be trolling, but you can still be being funny to some people, that's a matter of opinion if your being funny. Just because you don't mean to be, doesn't mean you aren't to some people... perspective is a bitch.

And also... I'm really sick of these threads... I believe this point was made, how did all the fish survive? If a flood happened then all the water would be turned to salt water, fresh water fish would die, unless of course, they were on said Ark... so there had to be some fish on that Ark. Also, the problems of only having a male and a female of a species on the boat, not only the inbreeding and genetic problems that would have happened due to the extreme incest, how did Noah keep all the animals from killing one another? Not all animals get along... some hunt other's, and keeping them contained for so long without these troubles is extremely difficult. And plus, food, not all animals hibernate, and saying they were just given the ability to is insane, and cheating, you need a better explanation other then "god did it". And those aren't even all the holes in this, this statement has so many holes it'd sink in a real debate.... (I don't much consider NS 'real debating', no offence xP). Sorry, I just don't see it being possible... :/


Why is "God did it" NOT a reasonable answer?

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Postby Arlim » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:09 pm

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By definition, your God does not exist.


No, it just makes God amazing. :)

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Postby Doctor whooves » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:09 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:
Doctor whooves wrote:Wait, if I may ask a serious question here: How do you know god exists?

Because there is a website which "argues" (if we may call it that) that since universal laws exist, God must exist-- then he denies that universal laws exist.

Seems legit.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:10 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Huskvarneque wrote:
You might not be trolling, but you can still be being funny to some people, that's a matter of opinion if your being funny. Just because you don't mean to be, doesn't mean you aren't to some people... perspective is a bitch.

And also... I'm really sick of these threads... I believe this point was made, how did all the fish survive? If a flood happened then all the water would be turned to salt water, fresh water fish would die, unless of course, they were on said Ark... so there had to be some fish on that Ark. Also, the problems of only having a male and a female of a species on the boat, not only the inbreeding and genetic problems that would have happened due to the extreme incest, how did Noah keep all the animals from killing one another? Not all animals get along... some hunt other's, and keeping them contained for so long without these troubles is extremely difficult. And plus, food, not all animals hibernate, and saying they were just given the ability to is insane, and cheating, you need a better explanation other then "god did it". And those aren't even all the holes in this, this statement has so many holes it'd sink in a real debate.... (I don't much consider NS 'real debating', no offence xP). Sorry, I just don't see it being possible... :/

Why is "God did it" NOT a reasonable answer?

Because "God did it" assumes that God exists. There is no proof that he does. Hence, invalid answer.
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Postby The Humanist Federation » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:10 pm

Transhuman Proteus wrote:
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But actually, amazing.

And that's the great mystery, isn't it? How can such a fanatical radical seemingly unbelievable thing be real? How is it possible? And yet He is.


You've convinced me.

Zeus, I'm sorry I ever doubted you.


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Postby The Drone Empire » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:10 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Huskvarneque wrote:
You might not be trolling, but you can still be being funny to some people, that's a matter of opinion if your being funny. Just because you don't mean to be, doesn't mean you aren't to some people... perspective is a bitch.

And also... I'm really sick of these threads... I believe this point was made, how did all the fish survive? If a flood happened then all the water would be turned to salt water, fresh water fish would die, unless of course, they were on said Ark... so there had to be some fish on that Ark. Also, the problems of only having a male and a female of a species on the boat, not only the inbreeding and genetic problems that would have happened due to the extreme incest, how did Noah keep all the animals from killing one another? Not all animals get along... some hunt other's, and keeping them contained for so long without these troubles is extremely difficult. And plus, food, not all animals hibernate, and saying they were just given the ability to is insane, and cheating, you need a better explanation other then "god did it". And those aren't even all the holes in this, this statement has so many holes it'd sink in a real debate.... (I don't much consider NS 'real debating', no offence xP). Sorry, I just don't see it being possible... :/


Why is "God did it" NOT a reasonable answer?



The same reason "The Dog did it" isn't when the cookie jar is empty.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:10 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Huskvarneque wrote:
You might not be trolling, but you can still be being funny to some people, that's a matter of opinion if your being funny. Just because you don't mean to be, doesn't mean you aren't to some people... perspective is a bitch.

And also... I'm really sick of these threads... I believe this point was made, how did all the fish survive? If a flood happened then all the water would be turned to salt water, fresh water fish would die, unless of course, they were on said Ark... so there had to be some fish on that Ark. Also, the problems of only having a male and a female of a species on the boat, not only the inbreeding and genetic problems that would have happened due to the extreme incest, how did Noah keep all the animals from killing one another? Not all animals get along... some hunt other's, and keeping them contained for so long without these troubles is extremely difficult. And plus, food, not all animals hibernate, and saying they were just given the ability to is insane, and cheating, you need a better explanation other then "god did it". And those aren't even all the holes in this, this statement has so many holes it'd sink in a real debate.... (I don't much consider NS 'real debating', no offence xP). Sorry, I just don't see it being possible... :/


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Postby Avenio » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:11 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:Why is "God did it" NOT a reasonable answer?


Because it leads down the garden path to solipsism. Worse, it's a tautology.

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