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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:15 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Unchecked Expansion wrote:so if god molests children, it's ok?


Technically, yes. Because it will result in something good. But I don't think it can result in something good. That's why God doesn't do that.

So objective moral laws don't exist?

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Postby Sociobiology » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:15 pm

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Samuraikoku wrote:
Then God is relative?


No, God is above and beyond everything.

thus beyond existence, otherwise known as not existing.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:16 pm

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Veladio wrote:The bible does not prove that the bible is true. That is a cop-out.


No, my other thread proves why the Bible is true.


You mean the thread you abandoned after everything in the OP was proven wrong?
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:16 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Giovenith wrote:
Why?


Because it says so in the Bible and also because you aren't omnipotent and omnipresent and omnichronopresent.

The Bible is a flawed source proven to have many inconsistencies. And like I asked earlier, if God really is omni-everything, then why can't he just snap his fingers and arrive at the conclusion he wants?
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Postby Veladio » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:16 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
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Why?


Because it says so in the Bible and also because you aren't omnipotent and omnipresent and omnichronopresent.

The bible is a biased, uneducated, poor excuse, for the excrement of a fictional story.
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:16 pm

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San Leggera wrote:You're avoiding the question. Since you know so much about God, tell me how he can molest a child and something good becomes of it. Bearing his child doesn't count.


Because it can teach people a lesson potentially that will make the world better as a whole.

Then why didn't that happen in the Bible? Wouldn't it have made the world better, then?
Also, objective moral laws. You lost them.
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Postby Apurture Labs » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:16 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:Do you believe in water? Then you believe in God. Thus, Noah's ark could have happened realistically.

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that various chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6

http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

Also, this isn't a biased source.

If it is not Biased it is just bad.
1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
(Yet 99.99999999999% of the universe is deadly to life. I have better odds in the lottory. Doesn't sound like good design now, now does it.?)

2. Does God exist? The universe had a start - what caused it?
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3. Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?
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4. Does God exist? The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior.
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5. Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:16 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Veladio wrote:Sauce.


http://bible.cc/philippians/4-7.htm

I am god because I say I am god, and whatever god says is true, therefor I MUST be god.

see logic, circular
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Postby Hadenyx » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:17 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Giovenith wrote:
Why?


Because it says so in the Bible and also because you aren't omnipotent and omnipresent and omnichronopresent.


I still don't think you understand the notion of circular logic.

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Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:17 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:
Because it can teach people a lesson potentially that will make the world better as a whole.

Then why didn't that happen in the Bible? Wouldn't it have made the world better, then?


No. That's why it didn't happen. I just said potentially in one or another situation.
Get it? Logic + Christianity = Logichristianity = Jesus = Salvation = Heaven = God = Oneness.

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Postby San Leggera » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:17 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
San Leggera wrote:You're avoiding the question. Since you know so much about God, tell me how he can molest a child and something good becomes of it. Bearing his child doesn't count.


Because it can teach people a lesson potentially that will make the world better as a whole.

The lesson being that 'It's okay for God to molest your children, impregnate them and kill the child and his own baby because he's God and it doesn't matter what you think because he's God and you're not!'?
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:17 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Then why didn't that happen in the Bible? Wouldn't it have made the world better, then?


No. That's why it didn't happen. I just said potentially in one or another situation.

What happened to absolute morality, then?
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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:17 pm

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LogiChristianity wrote:Because God is above and beyond everything, but you aren't.

Do you realize that you make people of faith look stupid? By posting, you are simply hurting your cause. I can only hope that when someone says on this forum that they believe in God, that everyone else will not think of you.

Actually, people won't think of him per se. We already have a winner in that category, and he's DoS.
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Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:18 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:
Because it can teach people a lesson potentially that will make the world better as a whole.

Then why didn't that happen in the Bible? Wouldn't it have made the world better, then?
Also, objective moral laws. You lost them.


No, because God is beyond objectivity.
Get it? Logic + Christianity = Logichristianity = Jesus = Salvation = Heaven = God = Oneness.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:18 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Libertas Liber wrote:Do you realize that you make people of faith look stupid? By posting, you are simply hurting your cause. I can only hope that when someone says on this forum that they believe in God, that everyone else will not think of you.

Actually, people won't think of him per se. We already have a winner in that category, and he's DoS.

Who?
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:18 pm

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Libertas Liber wrote:Do you realize that you make people of faith look stupid? By posting, you are simply hurting your cause. I can only hope that when someone says on this forum that they believe in God, that everyone else will not think of you.

Actually, people won't think of him per se. We already have a winner in that category, and he's DoS.

Don't call him Kaari.
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Postby Veladio » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:18 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
San Leggera wrote:You're avoiding the question. Since you know so much about God, tell me how he can molest a child and something good becomes of it. Bearing his child doesn't count.


Because it can teach people a lesson potentially that will make the world better as a whole.

I guess those starving children in Ethiopia just aren't praying hard enough then.
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Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:18 pm

San Leggera wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:
Because it can teach people a lesson potentially that will make the world better as a whole.

The lesson being that 'It's okay for God to molest your children, impregnate them and kill the child and his own baby because he's God and it doesn't matter what you think because he's God and you're not!'?


But that didn't happen.
Get it? Logic + Christianity = Logichristianity = Jesus = Salvation = Heaven = God = Oneness.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:19 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
San Leggera wrote:The lesson being that 'It's okay for God to molest your children, impregnate them and kill the child and his own baby because he's God and it doesn't matter what you think because he's God and you're not!'?


But that didn't happen.

You still haven't answered my question.
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Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:19 pm

Veladio wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:
Because it can teach people a lesson potentially that will make the world better as a whole.

I guess those starving children in Ethiopia just aren't praying hard enough then.


God has a reason for keeping them starving. It has an effect on the world.
Get it? Logic + Christianity = Logichristianity = Jesus = Salvation = Heaven = God = Oneness.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:19 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:No, because God is beyond objectivity.


Then he is subjective, or relative. :p

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Postby San Leggera » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:19 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
San Leggera wrote:The lesson being that 'It's okay for God to molest your children, impregnate them and kill the child and his own baby because he's God and it doesn't matter what you think because he's God and you're not!'?


But that didn't happen.

That's not the point at all. Reread it and try again.
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:19 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
San Leggera wrote:The lesson being that 'It's okay for God to molest your children, impregnate them and kill the child and his own baby because he's God and it doesn't matter what you think because he's God and you're not!'?


But that didn't happen.

But if it did happen, according to you, it would be for the right reasons. Right?
Therefore, your idea of absolute morality doesn't work. At least not with your god.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:20 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Veladio wrote:I guess those starving children in Ethiopia just aren't praying hard enough then.


God has a reason for keeping them starving. It has an effect on the world.


Yes, a negative effect.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:20 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Veladio wrote:Sauce.


http://bible.cc/philippians/4-7.htm

You linked the the wrong verse. It doesn't say "God is above and beyond everything.". Please provide your source.
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