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Could Noah's Ark Have Happened Realistically? Well, Yes.

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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:24 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Noobubersland wrote:How old are you?

16. But I'm ranked highly in my class with a high GPA and I take all the most advanced courses.

Source?
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Postby Omniscience » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:25 pm

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Noobubersland wrote:How old are you?

16. But I'm ranked highly in my class with a high GPA and I take all the most advanced courses.


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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:25 pm

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Individuality-ness wrote:Deux ex machina then? Is God the answer to everything now? Not valid enough for me.

Why not? Why don't you believe God could do that?

Because if God could keep the waters from mixing, He could cure my autism and give me a less crappy life. And He would be able to give us happiness, and He would have the powers to defy the laws of physics.

Not happening in a million years, is it? I shouldn't have said the last part.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:25 pm

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You don't like carbon? We have over 3 other types of radiometric dating. They all agree with each other.


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From a CHRISTIAN.

http://asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:26 pm

You guys, you think he's actually reading any of these sources? Because I'll be honest, I have doubts.
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Postby Goodclark » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:26 pm

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Threlizdun wrote:Just one more month. We only have to deal with this for one more month.


What do you mean???

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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:26 pm

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Noobubersland wrote:How old are you?

16. But I'm ranked highly in my class with a high GPA and I take all the most advanced courses.

Hmm a 4.0 GPA in Advanced Bullcrap, and a 3.9 in Trolling, I'm liking what I'm seeing
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Postby North Franklin » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:26 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:16. But I'm ranked highly in my class with a high GPA and I take all the most advanced courses.

Source?

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Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:26 pm

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LogiChristianity wrote:
How is carbon dating reliable AT ALL? And give a source.

Here's a source:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... ardat.html
It's very reliable. The amount of carbon-14 left doesn't lie.


But how do we know it is reliable and not just educated guesses? What if it is all relative and thus wrong.
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Postby Erinkita » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:26 pm

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Erinkita wrote:Do you know what the word 'diverse' means? It's not something you get from two animals, even if they are the 'best', whatever that's supposed to mean.
Even if we put aside the extinction of every plant species and we have a timescale of tens of millions of years, which is what it would take to properly repopulate, the genetic bottlenecking would be so severs and the infant mortality rate so high that they'd be lucky to last three generations.


Source?

You want me to give you a source for the concept of genetic diversity? Really?
Here's a good place to start.
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:26 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:
Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:
Its too easy.

Actually it's too pointless, if god wanted to rid the world of evil then he would've struck all sinners dead without having to kill innocent people and animals in the process.


well yes that as well. I was approaching this from the point of view of enquiry being central to our humanity.
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Postby Noobubersland » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:27 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:16. But I'm ranked highly in my class with a high GPA and I take all the most advanced courses.

Source?

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Postby Chinese Regions » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:27 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Noobubersland wrote:How old are you?

16. But I'm ranked highly in my class with a high GPA and I take all the most advanced courses.

Yet you haven't learnt what osmosis is yet, that fresh water fish cannot survive in salt water and vice versa, nothing on genetic diversity, natural selection and whatnot.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:27 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Here's a source:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... ardat.html
It's very reliable. The amount of carbon-14 left doesn't lie.


But how do we know it is reliable and not just educated guesses? What if it is all relative and thus wrong.


Go read my source from a CHRISTIAN explaining that it works.
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Postby Silent Majority » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:27 pm

Even if everything in the OP were true(which it's not), you still run into the problem of genetics. There is no way that you could repopulate the earth with only one breeding pair. The defects would kill everything off.
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Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:27 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:
Source?


From a CHRISTIAN.

http://asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html


His PhD is in physics. How is that relevant?
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Postby Threlizdun » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:27 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Here's a source:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... ardat.html
It's very reliable. The amount of carbon-14 left doesn't lie.


But how do we know it is reliable and not just educated guesses? What if it is all relative and thus wrong.

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Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:28 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:16. But I'm ranked highly in my class with a high GPA and I take all the most advanced courses.

Yet you haven't learnt what osmosis is yet, that fresh water fish cannot survive in salt water and vice versa, nothing on genetic diversity, natural selection and whatnot.


Like I said, there's no reason God couldn't have kept the seas from mixing.
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Postby Neo Art » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:28 pm

North Franklin wrote:Why did God use a flood if he was going to have to use so much magic anyways? Seems like it would've been simpler to just magic everyone to death in the first place.


"OK, Noah, build an ark!"

"But why God?"

I"m going to FLOOD THE EARTH!"

"ok........why?"

"to cleanse the wicked!"

"oh...alright God"

*three years later*

"God, myself and my entire family has built the ark that you commanded!"

"Fantastic, now go get 2 of every land animal!"

"OH...ok god but...why?"

"Animals shall survive the flood!"

"oh...alright"

*several more years later*

"god, I have done as you commanded, we have the animals! But won't they...you know...eat each other?"

"NO! I will make them slumber!"

"oh...ok...won't they starve?"

"NO! I will preserve them!"

"oh...ok. What about all the fish in the sea though?"

"ALSO PRESERVED!"

"I see, and the vegtation that will undoubtedly be destroyed?"

"FIXED!"

"Ah..and, um, where's this water coming from exactly?"

"MAGIC!"

"yes, right, you um...you can do all that then?"

"OF course! I am God! Why do you ask Noah?"

"well, I mean, this is to scurge the world of the wicked right (which, by the way, I guess must include my family, so it's nice they spent the last few years of their life building a boat and capturing wild animals and all...) Couldn't you just...do that yourself?"

"Of course I could have, why is that your concern?"

"Well you see, I just spent several years of my life doing this, and you could have just...well..you know what, fuck it, never mind"
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:28 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:


His PhD is in physics. How is that relevant?


You DO know radiometric dating is physics, right?
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:28 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Here's a source:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... ardat.html
It's very reliable. The amount of carbon-14 left doesn't lie.


But how do we know it is reliable and not just educated guesses? What if it is all relative and thus wrong.

How does anyone know anything? How do we know 1+1 equals 2?
Same principle. If you accept literally anything else, you can accept that mathematics gives you a definite answer.
The margin of error for this stuff is effectively miniscule.
And I can't believe that you're willing to accept all this insane Bible stuff, but you're calling bullshit over accepted scientific fact.
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Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:29 pm

Erinkita wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:
Source?

You want me to give you a source for the concept of genetic diversity? Really?
Here's a good place to start.


That's wikipedia.
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Postby San Leggera » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:29 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Noobubersland wrote:How old are you?

16. But I'm ranked highly in my class with a high GPA and I take all the most advanced courses.

Then your knowledge of biology should tell you that Noah's Ark as told in the bible is impossible.
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Postby Omniscience » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:29 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Here's a source:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... ardat.html
It's very reliable. The amount of carbon-14 left doesn't lie.


But how do we know it is reliable and not just educated guesses? What if it is all relative and thus wrong.


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