Harry Reid goes "Dead Dad Shame" on Mitt Romney

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

By quitting and turning his life around? Obama has been pretty open about his personal history, esp. regarding his drug use and decision to start focusing on his academics.

When Bush did it, it was proof of his moral character. When Obama did it, it was merely to further his plans to turn America into the Caliphate.

Bush also had a bit of an alcohol issue as well I seem to remember.

[R Ev0lution]

When Bush did it, it was proof of his moral character. When Obama did it, it was merely to further his plans to turn America into the Caliphate.

Bush also had a bit of an alcohol issue as well I seem to remember.

"A bit of an alcohol issue" would be an understatement, if accounts from old friends and peers are to be trusted.

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Bush also had a bit of an alcohol issue as well I seem to remember.

"A bit of an alcohol issue" would be an understatement, if accounts from old friends and peers are to be trusted.

I'm English.

[R Ev0lution]

"A bit of an alcohol issue" would be an understatement, if accounts from old friends and peers are to be trusted.

I'm English.

I'm sorry. I don't see how that's really relevant to our conversation.

[Neo Art]

You have doubts about the academic abilities of somebody who graduated from Harvard Law School magna cum laude?

I want to know who got him in. Barack Obama was not a good student in high school. He did pot, drank, and did crack. I want to know how me magically got into Occidental despite going to a poor catholic school in Indonesia most of his life, then coming back, doing those drugs, and then getting into Occidental.

How did Obama "magically" get into Occidental? Easy. Occidental isn't that hard to get into. Occidental, last year, had a 40% acceptance rate (incidentally, harvard law's admission rate is about 8%). The fact that he drank and did drugs is incidental, he never got convicted for it, or even arrested for it, so the school wouldn't have known. He also seems a naturally very intelligent man, and probably did well on his SATs. He also grew up abroad at a time where there were fewer americans living abroad, especially in a country like Indonisia.

He had an interesting life story, probably reasonably high SAT scores, and Occidental takes almost half of the people who apply right out of the gate. What's the big fucking mystery here?

[Neo Art]

I'm English.

I'm sorry. I don't see how that's really relevant to our conversation.

You've obviously never encountered British manerisms, and its tendency for understatment. The terrorist attacks on the underground were "slight delays on the tube today". The olympics are "some traffic downtown" and the blitz has been remembered as "a minor row with Germany"

[R Ev0lution]

I'm sorry. I don't see how that's really relevant to our conversation.

You've obviously never encountered British manerisms, and its tendency for understatment. The terrorist attacks on the underground were "slight delays on the tube today". The olympics are "some traffic downtown" and the blitz has been remembered as "a slight row with Germany"

Ah. I have been enlightened.

[R Ev0lution]

... You know, I have to be honest. As much as I'm all for moderation, reasonable rules, and fair play, whenever The Mongol Inkhanate gets banned by the moderators, I suddenly feel a bit disheartened at no longer having an easy debate opponent here on NSG.

[Neo Art]

... You know, I have to be honest. As much as I'm all for moderation, reasonable rules, and fair play, whenever The Mongol Inkhanate gets banned by the moderators, I suddenly feel a bit disheartened at no longer having an easy debate opponent here on NSG.

Shame it's probably only a matter of time. It always is, in the end.

[Ashmoria]

... You know, I have to be honest. As much as I'm all for moderation, reasonable rules, and fair play, whenever The Mongol Inkhanate gets banned by the moderators, I suddenly feel a bit disheartened at no longer having an easy debate opponent here on NSG.

i would prefer a stronger debater with fact based arguments.

[R Ev0lution]

... You know, I have to be honest. As much as I'm all for moderation, reasonable rules, and fair play, whenever The Mongol Inkhanate gets banned by the moderators, I suddenly feel a bit disheartened at no longer having an easy debate opponent here on NSG.

i would prefer a stronger debater with fact based arguments.

Sure. But, every once in a while, you're not looking for an intense, hardcore opponent -- you just need something nice and effortless to keep your skills polished.

[Greed and Death]

By the way, I will fully support and urge Mitt Romney to release his tax returns when Barack Obama releases his college transcripts.

If Goalpost Moving was an Olympic event, the American right wing would consistently get Gold. Tax forms have been concistently released by politicians running for major political office for years. Got a citation for when a politician had to release his or her college transcripts in order to run for political office?

So it is only tradition that the Presidential candidates release their tax returns ?

[Neo Art]

Though it's obvious the right wing smells blood in the water, but this time, it's their own blood. Things are looking bad for Romney. The Republicans thought they could frame this election as Romney versus Obama, the President. They forgot, or just didn't count on Obama, the campaigner.

If 2008 taught them anything (and it should have), Obama is a ruthless and effective campaigner. He came out swinging right off the bat. The minute Romney was the presumtive nominee, the campaign went into effect. Obama's strategy is to pick and prod and poke at every crack, every weakness. Release the taxes, and they'll find a way to use it against you. Withold them, and they'll use that against you too. Flout Bain as a benefit, they'll turn it into a liability. It's mean, it's nasty, it's underhanded, and it's remarkably effective.

And if you try to cry foul about how mean and nasty a campaigner he is, he'll release videos of Gingritch and Paul and others talking about what a mean nasty campaigner YOU are, and how you scoffed at it.

And the only way to survive attacks like that is to be sterling. Is to be confident enough to release this information, knowing there's nothing there that can be used against you. It's something Obama did well himself. When the crowd were screaming for his birth certificate, he let them wait, until the noise got loud, then went "oh, my birth certificate? It's right here..."

And suddenly the screams and protests were defanged and discredited. The "birthers" deflated conspiracy lunatics whose credibility was shattered, never to be recovered. This game of "gee, if he isn't showing us his taxes ANYTHING could be in there" is a dangerous game, because if he turns around and shows there's absolutely nothing there, then the democrats credibility is ruined.

But instead, Romney has gone with the "if I show you you'll just use it against me". WHihc is a poor tactic for the average american who has to think "what's there to use against him?"

Obama is a vicious campaigner who goes after weaknesses. It's a strategy that leaves you vulnerable if you fail, but Romney has done nothing but oblidge.

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I'm sorry. I don't see how that's really relevant to our conversation.

You've obviously never encountered British manerisms, and its tendency for understatment. The terrorist attacks on the underground were "slight delays on the tube today". The olympics are "some traffic downtown" and the blitz has been remembered as "a minor row with Germany"

During the Korean War the Black Watch was defending a position against an oncoming horde of People's Army. Brits 600 men....Chinese 20,000. The Brits were getting a pasting but holding the line. Severely depleted in man power due to deaths and injuries the Black Watch commander contacted the area commander who happened to be American. The American General enquired on the status of the Black Watch unit. The Black Watch commander responded that his unit was 'facing some small difficulty' [sic]. The American General took that to mean the situation was in hand. The Black Watch won I believe 3 Victoria Crosses during that event.

Edit - Gloucester...not Black Watch...sorry.

[Greed and Death]

You've obviously never encountered British manerisms, and its tendency for understatment. The terrorist attacks on the underground were "slight delays on the tube today". The olympics are "some traffic downtown" and the blitz has been remembered as "a minor row with Germany"

During the Korean War the Black Watch was defending a position against an oncoming horde of People's Army. Brits 600 men....Chinese 20,000. The Brits were getting a pasting but holding the line. Severely depleted in man power due to deaths and injuries the Black Watch commander contacted the area commander who happened to be American. The American General enquired on the status of the Black Watch unit. The Black Watch commander responded that his unit was 'facing some small difficulty' [sic]. The American General took that to mean the situation was in hand. The Black Watch won I believe 3 Victoria Crosses during that event.

Which is why the US military has English to American translation books now.

"facing some small difficulty" means " Send all available reinforcements, Now, for the love of God" in American English.

[Fartsniffage]

I'm sorry. I don't see how that's really relevant to our conversation.

You've obviously never encountered British manerisms, and its tendency for understatment. The terrorist attacks on the underground were "slight delays on the tube today". The olympics are "some traffic downtown" and the blitz has been remembered as "a minor row with Germany"

That, and what the Americans consider a drinking problem, we think of as a Sunday afternoon.

[Miss Defied]

i would prefer a stronger debater with fact based arguments.

Sure. But, every once in a while, you're not looking for an intense, hardcore opponent -- you just need something nice and effortless to keep your skills polished.

Oh then you should go to the LogiChristianity threads. That kid takes quite a beating and refuses to stand down. Talk about low-hanging fruit.

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You've obviously never encountered British manerisms, and its tendency for understatment. The terrorist attacks on the underground were "slight delays on the tube today". The olympics are "some traffic downtown" and the blitz has been remembered as "a slight row with Germany"

Ah. I have been enlightened.

Sorry...thought you knew

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

During the Korean War the Black Watch was defending a position against an oncoming horde of People's Army. Brits 600 men....Chinese 20,000. The Brits were getting a pasting but holding the line. Severely depleted in man power due to deaths and injuries the Black Watch commander contacted the area commander who happened to be American. The American General enquired on the status of the Black Watch unit. The Black Watch commander responded that his unit was 'facing some small difficulty' [sic]. The American General took that to mean the situation was in hand. The Black Watch won I believe 3 Victoria Crosses during that event.

Which is why the US military has English to American translation books now.

"facing some small difficulty" means " Send all available reinforcements, Now, for the love of God" in American English.

The battle of Imjin River was possibly one of the most intense outside of the Great War or WWII. The Gloucester Regiment (not Black Watch as I had thought) is the only BA unit to have a Presidential Unit Citation....two other Commonwealth units were also given Presidential citations.

Three Commonwealth Regiments were awarded the United States Distinguished Unit Citation for their part in the Battle of the Imjin River and the Battle of Kapyong:

The 1st Battalion Gloucestershire Regiment, together with C Troop, 170 Heavy Mortar Battery, Royal Artillery
The 3rd Battalion Royal Australian Regiment, (Battle of Kapyong 22–25 April 1951).
The 2nd Battalion of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry Regiment. (Battle of Kapyong 22–25 April 1951)

On 8 May 1951, by the command of U.S. President Harry S. Truman, General James Van Fleet presented the President's Distinguished Unit Citation to the Glosters, together with C Troop 170 Heavy Mortar Battery, which had given invaluable support throughout the battle. The citation says:
Representatives of United Kingdom, Canadian, Australia and Belgium stand at Parade Rest, during ceremonies in which the American Presidential Unit Citation was awarded to the Gloucestershire Regiment and the 170th Independent Mortar Battalion, Royal Artillery, 8 May 1951.

HEADQUARTERS
EIGHTH UNITED STATES ARMY KOREA (EUSAK)
Office of the Commanding General
KPO 301

GENERAL ORDERS
NUMBER 286

8 May 1951

BATTLE HONOURS – CITATION OF UNITS
BATTLE HONOURS – By direction of the President, under the provisions of Executive Order 9396(Sec 1, WD Bul. 22.1943), superseding Executive Order 9075 (Sec.III, WD Bul.II, 1942) and pursuant in authority in AR 260-15, the following units are cited as public evidence of deserved honor and distinction. The citation reads as follows:-

The 1ST BATTALION GLOUCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT, BRITISH ARMY and TROOP C, 170TH INDEPENDENT MORTAR BATTERY, ROYAL ARTILLERY, attached, are cited for exceptionally outstanding performance of duty and extraordinary heroism in action against the armed enemy near Solma-ri, Korea on the 23rd, 24th and 25th of April, 1951. The 1st BATTALION and TROOP C were defending a very critical sector of the battle front during a determined attack by the enemy. The defending units were overwhelmingly outnumbered. The 83rd Chinese Communist Army drove the full force of its savage assault at the positions held by the 1st BATTALION, GLOUCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT and attached unit. The route of supply ran Southeast from the battalion between two hills. The hills dominated the surrounding terrain northwest to the Imjin River. Enemy pressure built up on the battalion front during the day 23 April. On 24 April the weight of the attack had driven the right flank of the battalion back. The pressure grew heavier and heavier and the battalion and attached unit were forced into a perimeter defence on Hill 235. During the night, heavy enemy forces had by-passed the staunch defenders and closed all avenues of escape. The courageous soldiers of the battalion and attached unit were holding the critical route selected by the enemy for one column of the general offensive designed to encircle and destroy 1st Corps. These gallant soldiers would not retreat. As they were compressed tighter and tighter in their perimeter defence, they called for close-in air strikes to assist in holding firm. Completely surrounded by tremendous numbers, these indomitable, resolute, and tenacious soldiers fought back with unsurpassed fortitude and courage. As ammunition ran low and the advancing hordes moved closer and closer, these splendid soldiers fought back viciously to prevent the enemy from overrunning the position and moving rapidly to the south. Their heroic stand provided the critically needed time to regroup other 1st Corps units and block the southern advance of the enemy. Time and again efforts were made to reach the battalion, but the enemy strength blocked each effort. Without thought of defeat or surrender, this heroic force demonstrated superb battlefield courage and discipline. Every yard of ground they surrendered was covered with enemy dead until the last gallant soldier of the fighting battalion was over-powered by the final surge of the enemy masses. The 1st BATTALION, GLOUCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT and TROOP C, 170th INDEPENDENT MORTAR BATTERY displayed such gallantry, determination, and esprit de corps in accomplishing their mission under extremely difficult and hazardous conditions as to set them apart and above other units participating in the same battle. Their sustained brilliance in battle, their resoluteness, and extraordinary heroism are in keeping with the finest traditions of the renowned military forces of the British Commonwealth, and reflect unsurpassed credit on these courageous soldiers and their homeland.

BY COMMAND OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL VAN FLEET.

OFFICIAL

LEVEN C ALLEN
Major General US Army.
Chief of Staff.

L. W. STANLEY.

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It's a bit sticky is the quote....Thomas Brodie

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1285708.stm

Almost 100,000 British troops fought in Korea 50 years ago in conflict as bloody as any seen before or since. Yet many veterans still consider it the war our country has forgotten.

Fifty years ago 600 soldiers of the British Army took on a force of 30,000 Chinese troops crossing the Imjin River in Korea.

Reporting to his American superior, Brigadier Tom Brodie of the Gloucestershire Regiment admitted the situation was "a bit sticky".

Such classic British understatement failed to secure the "Glorious Glosters" reinforcements or permission to fall back.

At the end of the battle 10,000 Chinese troops had fallen. British losses stood at just 59, but only 39 of the survivors evaded capture.

Two Victoria Crosses, Britain's highest military honour, were awarded for the action. But despite such heroism, Britain's role in the conflict has largely been forgotten by the public.

[Crogach]

Attack ads are usually short lived.

The moron only has himself to blame. He shouldn't have done his lame attempt at being a "Man of the people"

Problem is he did make money destroying American jobs. Example, Etch-a-scetch made in the US for years. Now made in China.
He probably made a great deal of money on serveral tax dodges. Bain is very good at locating tax loopholes
He probably did use creative accounting.

He can't claim privacy because people will simply throw his dads actions.

He can't win. The jackass will loose not releasing them. The jackass will loose releasing them.

An audit by the IRS might show the Tax dodges if illegal.
But it is not like The Democrats have can control of the executive branch and can order the investigation of any accounts.

And if they do that then you and I both know that Obama's going to be accused of illegally using his office to go after a rival, Romney will be able to play the "oh, poor persecuted me" card about ten times harder, and Fox News will probably start speculating about when Obama's going to suspend the elections while he sends the drones to make Romney disappear.

[Gauthier]

Sure. But, every once in a while, you're not looking for an intense, hardcore opponent -- you just need something nice and effortless to keep your skills polished.

Oh then you should go to the LogiChristianity threads. That kid takes quite a beating and refuses to stand down. Talk about low-hanging fruit.

The punch-drunk tenacity (or stubbornness) reminds me of Corneliu.

[Greed and Death]

An audit by the IRS might show the Tax dodges if illegal.
But it is not like The Democrats have can control of the executive branch and can order the investigation of any accounts.

And if they do that then you and I both know that Obama's going to be accused of illegally using his office to go after a rival, Romney will be able to play the "oh, poor persecuted me" card about ten times harder, and Fox News will probably start speculating about when Obama's going to suspend the elections while he sends the drones to make Romney disappear.

Oh persecuted me, I cheated on my Taxes and got caught ? Not to mention I remember a few Appointees at the start of the administration who could not stand for appointment because congress had pushed the IRS to look into their tax history. At worst the GOP would have a pot calling the kettle black argument.

Romney's behavior suggest something to hide, seems perfectly reasonable for the IRS to investigate.

Take it from me, if you plan to cheat your taxes stay out of the public light.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

And if they do that then you and I both know that Obama's going to be accused of illegally using his office to go after a rival, Romney will be able to play the "oh, poor persecuted me" card about ten times harder, and Fox News will probably start speculating about when Obama's going to suspend the elections while he sends the drones to make Romney disappear.

Oh persecuted me, I cheated on my Taxes and got caught ? Not to mention I remember a few Appointees at the start of the administration who could not stand for appointment because congress had pushed the IRS to look into their tax history. At worst the GOP would have a pot calling the kettle black argument.

Romney's behavior suggest something to hide, seems perfectly reasonable for the IRS to investigate.

Take it from me, if you plan to cheat your taxes stay out of the public light.

He cheated on his tithes....hence not wanting the tax documentation being released.

[Greed and Death]

Oh persecuted me, I cheated on my Taxes and got caught ? Not to mention I remember a few Appointees at the start of the administration who could not stand for appointment because congress had pushed the IRS to look into their tax history. At worst the GOP would have a pot calling the kettle black argument.

Romney's behavior suggest something to hide, seems perfectly reasonable for the IRS to investigate.

Take it from me, if you plan to cheat your taxes stay out of the public light.

He cheated on his tithes....hence not wanting the tax documentation being released.

No one is suggesting the IRS release those documents. IRS agents can look into his records discreetly with ease.