Atheists - If the Bible isn't true, why is it so remarkable?

[Dyakovo]

Welcome to the staple of NSG, theres almost always one or two on the front page.

I've seen many, I only have commented now because I wanted to make a point.

And what was that point? That you think you're a special little flower who has come up with a novel new idea?

[Britanic]

the Holy Bible was made by someones imagination, odds are they were just writing a book, and didn't intend for anyone to take it as truth

[Durmatagno]

Welcome to the staple of NSG, theres almost always one or two on the front page.

I've seen many, I only have commented now because I wanted to make a point.

At this point NS General isn't looking for a conclusion, just something new to debate about and identify like minded players. Kinda like how Atheism is rising because exposure to science is rising, these threads become more common as NS becomes more diverse.

[Katyuscha]

Besides, most atheists, like myself, come to these threads to take easy pot shots at the religious peoples easily defeated arguments.

[Newshore]

I've seen many, I only have commented now because I wanted to make a point.

And what was that point? That you think you're a special little flower who has come up with a novel new idea?

"I wanted to see why people would continue a useless cycle over and over."

Why are you so hostile?

[Veladio]

Cuz it's fun/funny.

Hardly, I don't see anyone having any fun in here.

Oh its hilarious in the beginning. Then after a while it dies down. Its like a good high.

[Durmatagno]

Why the hell does this topic exist?

If you've been on the internet for more than ten seconds you must have realized that religion is one of the worst topics to discuss, ever.

It NEVER leads to any conclusion and only leads to massive arguments that repeat themselves. Its utterly pointless.

If you hate religious discussions so much, why'd you post in the thread?

I almost always have fun during my vacations from RP and F7 here.

[Dyakovo]

And what was that point? That you think you're a special little flower who has come up with a novel new idea?

"I wanted to see why people would continue a useless cycle over and over."

Why are you so hostile?

Because your effort at looking clever and superior is just making you look like a douche.
If you don't like a topic, just stay out of it.

[Williamson]

Why the hell does this topic exist?

If you've been on the internet for more than ten seconds you must have realized that religion is one of the worst topics to discuss, ever.

It NEVER leads to any conclusion and only leads to massive arguments that repeat themselves. Its utterly pointless.

Cause all the agrments are funny.... FOR a little while then it get on people nerves. Then its funny again because everone keeps bitching about how it is geting on their nerves.

[Isointania]

A lot of atheists act like the Bible is something that is just some random book that was dug up, but wouldn't you be convinced that Christianity was true if you realized that the Bible had amazing properties that made it unique and special and in some ways perfect?

I just think some people don't look into this. But that's okay, because here it is.

And this all comes from this link: http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml

and this link: http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

For one thing, the Bible mentions dinosaurs before we even knew they existed actually.

Dinosaurs are referred to in several Bible books. The book of Job describes two dinosaurs. One is described in chapter 40 starting at verse 15, and the other in chapter 41 starting at verse 1. We think you will agree that 1½ chapters about dinosaurs is a lot—since most people do not even realize that they are mentioned in the Bible.

Also, the Bible was accurate about astronomy.

The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens. Here are two examples.

Genesis 22:17
Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.

Jeremiah 33:22
“As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.”
Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates of 1021 stars—which is a lot of stars.[2] (The number of grains of sand on the earth’s seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more stars, wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?)

Also, it was able to predict the future!

One of the strongest arguments for the accuracy of the Bible is its 100% accuracy in predicting the future. These future predictions are called “prophecies.” The Old Testament was written between approximately 1450 BC and 430 BC. During that time, many predictions of the future were recorded in the Bible by God’s prophets. Of the events that were to have taken place by now, every one happened just the way they predicted it would. No other “sacred writing” has such perfectly accurate predictions of the future.

Plus, there is textual evidence!

Over 20,000 known manuscripts document the New Testament text. This makes the New Testament the most reliable document of antiquity (a document written before the printing press). These manuscripts vary in size from a part of a page to an entire Bible (Old and New Testaments). The earliest New Testament manuscripts date from the second century (100-199) AD These manuscript copies were written in different languages by people of different nationalities, cultures, and backgrounds. In spite of all those differences between them, the New Testament texts all agree.

Also, people didn't at the time refute these words.

Special proof exists for the New Testament, since Christians were strongly persecuted by both the Jews and the Roman government. If the New Testament writings were false, these two groups would have produced a great deal of evidence to stop the growth of this “sect.” None exists. Further, the New Testament writings (before they were assembled into the “book” we call the New Testament) circulated during the lifetimes of thousands of people who had actually seen Jesus’ miracles and other historic events. No one ever refuted the New Testament writings as “fairy tales.”

So, atheists and other non-Christians, how do you explain these? Coincidences? I think not

You, my friend, seem to be slightly deluded. I'm sure there's some good stuff in the New Testament, but people like you tend to cherry pick massively from the Old Testament. Do you stone gays? Do you kill your neighbor if he works on a Sunday? Answer me these questions so I can dismantle you incorrect statement some more.

[Newshore]

"I wanted to see why people would continue a useless cycle over and over."

Why are you so hostile?

Because your effort at looking clever and superior is just making you look like a douche.
If you don't like a topic, just stay out of it.

I ask a question and am labeled as a douche? I don't need to look clever to a bunch of anonymous people i'll probably never talk to again.

"Just stay out of it."

I aren't allowed to talk about things I don't like?

[Veladio]

Besides, most atheists, like myself, come to these threads to take easy pot shots at the religious peoples easily defeated arguments.

^except I'm not atheist, I just don't try to prove my religion or try to convert others.

[Katyuscha]

Because your effort at looking clever and superior is just making you look like a douche.
If you don't like a topic, just stay out of it.

I ask a question and am labeled as a douche? I don't need to look clever to a bunch of anonymous people i'll probably never talk to again.

"Just stay out of it."

I'm aren't not allowed to talk about things I don't like?

[Xathranaar]

No words... should have sent Lewis Black.

[Newshore]

I ask a question and am labeled as a douche? I don't need to look clever to a bunch of anonymous people i'll probably never talk to again.

"Just stay out of it."

I'm aren't not allowed to talk about things I don't like?

Damn it, I can't do anything correct at night.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Because your effort at looking clever and superior is just making you look like a douche.
If you don't like a topic, just stay out of it.

I ask a question and am labeled as a douche? I don't need to look clever to a bunch of anonymous people i'll probably never talk to again.

"Just stay out of it."

I aren't allowed to talk about things I don't like?

You totally are allowed. You just sound like a self-superior douche, posting here to bring up how stupid everyone else is in discussing this. Glad you came down from on high to give us your disapproval.

[Free South Califas]

A lot of atheists act like the Bible is something that is just some random book that was dug up, but wouldn't you be convinced that Christianity was true if you realized that the Bible had amazing properties that made it unique and special and in some ways perfect?

That's...so very not what makes things true. Thanks for a very interesting contribution, though.

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

Christians, if Twilight isn't true, why is it so remarkable?

Twilight isn't meant to be true, the bible is. The Bible is remarked for truth, Twilight is remaked for fiction

[Cu Math]

No words... should have sent Lewis Black.

"I say Fuck. a lot. I use it more like a comma really" -Lewis Black
He's not really NSG appropriate

[Isointania]

A lot of atheists act like the Bible is something that is just some random book that was dug up, but wouldn't you be convinced that Christianity was true if you realized that the Bible had amazing properties that made it unique and special and in some ways perfect?

I just think some people don't look into this. But that's okay, because here it is.

And this all comes from this link: http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml

and this link: http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

For one thing, the Bible mentions dinosaurs before we even knew they existed actually.

Dinosaurs are referred to in several Bible books. The book of Job describes two dinosaurs. One is described in chapter 40 starting at verse 15, and the other in chapter 41 starting at verse 1. We think you will agree that 1½ chapters about dinosaurs is a lot—since most people do not even realize that they are mentioned in the Bible.

Also, the Bible was accurate about astronomy.

The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens. Here are two examples.

Genesis 22:17
Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.

Jeremiah 33:22
“As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.”
Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates of 1021 stars—which is a lot of stars.[2] (The number of grains of sand on the earth’s seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more stars, wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?)

Also, it was able to predict the future!

One of the strongest arguments for the accuracy of the Bible is its 100% accuracy in predicting the future. These future predictions are called “prophecies.” The Old Testament was written between approximately 1450 BC and 430 BC. During that time, many predictions of the future were recorded in the Bible by God’s prophets. Of the events that were to have taken place by now, every one happened just the way they predicted it would. No other “sacred writing” has such perfectly accurate predictions of the future.

Plus, there is textual evidence!

Over 20,000 known manuscripts document the New Testament text. This makes the New Testament the most reliable document of antiquity (a document written before the printing press). These manuscripts vary in size from a part of a page to an entire Bible (Old and New Testaments). The earliest New Testament manuscripts date from the second century (100-199) AD These manuscript copies were written in different languages by people of different nationalities, cultures, and backgrounds. In spite of all those differences between them, the New Testament texts all agree.

Also, people didn't at the time refute these words.

Special proof exists for the New Testament, since Christians were strongly persecuted by both the Jews and the Roman government. If the New Testament writings were false, these two groups would have produced a great deal of evidence to stop the growth of this “sect.” None exists. Further, the New Testament writings (before they were assembled into the “book” we call the New Testament) circulated during the lifetimes of thousands of people who had actually seen Jesus’ miracles and other historic events. No one ever refuted the New Testament writings as “fairy tales.”

So, atheists and other non-Christians, how do you explain these? Coincidences? I think not

You might need to use this my friend

[Newshore]

I ask a question and am labeled as a douche? I don't need to look clever to a bunch of anonymous people i'll probably never talk to again.

"Just stay out of it."

I aren't allowed to talk about things I don't like?

You totally are allowed. You just sound like a self-superior douche, posting here to bring up how stupid everyone else is in discussing this. Glad you came down from on high to give us your disapproval.

So everyone sees me as an egoistical douche?

That's not the way I intended my post, I didn't think people would react like this.

[Isointania]

You totally are allowed. You just sound like a self-superior douche, posting here to bring up how stupid everyone else is in discussing this. Glad you came down from on high to give us your disapproval.

So everyone sees me as an egoistical douche?

Yeah, pretty much.

[Fusion Corp]

That is all.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You totally are allowed. You just sound like a self-superior douche, posting here to bring up how stupid everyone else is in discussing this. Glad you came down from on high to give us your disapproval.

So everyone sees me as an egoistical douche?

That's not the way I intended my post, I didn't think people would react like this.

You're very much allowed to disagree with a given topic. What people here probably didn't like is the tone in which you expressed said disagreement.

[Newshore]

So everyone sees me as an egoistical douche?

Yeah, pretty much.

Well can anyone see past that and actually answer my question instead of taking shots at how I worded things?