Atheists - If the Bible isn't true, why is it so remarkable?

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I don't even understand how a Calvinist sleeps at night. I mean, don't think ever think "what if my predestined election to salvation is all a ruse and in 2 years I'm going to turn into an atheist and get hit by a bus and die and go to hell because that's what God wants to do with me?!?!!?"

Well according to them, even if you become an atheist, since you are predestined to go to heaven...you will still go IIRC.

But how do they truly know they are themselves predestined for heaven? It seems like somewhere that logic train has to end.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Live on your knees eh?

It might be scary if I thought that was going to happen on death, as opposed to my ceasing to exist which I'm quite certain is all I have in store.

I agree with Samuel Johnson, that all men fear death- who says they do not is a liar. For my part, I would rather fear God, obey him, and hope that he spare me from his infinite hatred.

It's impossible to obey the Christian God. Many of his laws are contradictory or impossible.
Example: Do not even THINK of the sin of adultery, lest you commit it in your mind, which is just as bad as actually doing it (ha).
Bam. You just did, as soon as you read that sentence - and now you're guilty of adultery. Why even try?

[Durmatagno]

All right, my question to you Christians out there.

Why is it that no other historical text from during or after this time period reference the events of the new testament?

Why is it that jesus died in one day on the cross, even with the whippings, it normally takes three days to due when crucified, and on that note, they wouldn't of done crucifications on a friday like in the bible, because sunday held significance for the Romans of the time?

If I can get a decent response from one of you, I have others subjects to touch on.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Well according to them, even if you become an atheist, since you are predestined to go to heaven...you will still go IIRC.

But how do they truly know they are themselves predestined for heaven? It seems like somewhere that logic train has to end.

The logic train did end, Page. Why do you think Calvinism doesn't have that many adherents (if it has any, that is) anymore?

EDIT: Apparently Calvinism has had a resurgence of late in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism#Calvinism_Today

[Veladio]

Well according to them, even if you become an atheist, since you are predestined to go to heaven...you will still go IIRC.

But how do they truly know they are themselves predestined for heaven? It seems like somewhere that logic train has to end.

Pretty much.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Live on your knees eh?

It might be scary if I thought that was going to happen on death, as opposed to my ceasing to exist which I'm quite certain is all I have in store.

I agree with Samuel Johnson, that all men fear death- who says they do not is a liar. For my part, I would rather fear God, obey him, and hope that he spare me from his infinite hatred.

I have no desire to die, but I accept it is unavoidable end and as an Atheist that there is no heaven or hell or anything after.

[Katyuscha]

Well according to them, even if you become an atheist, since you are predestined to go to heaven...you will still go IIRC.

But how do they truly know they are themselves predestined for heaven? It seems like somewhere that logic train has to end.

The logic train never even took off in this thread...

[Veladio]

Well according to them, even if you become an atheist, since you are predestined to go to heaven...you will still go IIRC.

But how do they truly know they are themselves predestined for heaven? It seems like somewhere that logic train has to end.

Oh and the fact that you can be the best Christian in the world and pray all day every day, yet still go to Hell just because god likes playing darts.

[Typhlochactas]

Might does not make right.

With God it does. He's all powerful, and he can make you suffer eternally. Who is there to check him?

The best way of dealing with a bully is to ignore him.

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But how do they truly know they are themselves predestined for heaven? It seems like somewhere that logic train has to end.

Oh and the fact that you can be the best Christian in the world and pray all day every day, yet still go to Hell just because god likes playing darts.

This reminds me of a time when I was in 9th grade where my pesky questioning caused a confirmation teacher to blank into an awkward silence and try to change the subject.

It went something like this.

"How are saved people supposed to enjoy heaven if they know some of their loved ones are in hell forever?"
"Well, once we get to heaven, we'll realize we never truly needed those people in the first place and that they weren't so good for us."
"But that would mean that getting to heaven changes the entire way we think as human beings. And if our thoughts are being altered, isn't that the same as God violating our free will?"
*crickets*

[Dyakovo]

2AM, 'night guys. Final score:

Me: 4, Atheists: -1, Fundies: It doesn't even matter anymore

You must be new to making arguments.

He thinks that if people ignore his moronic statements that he has won.

[Unified Provinces]

Then why hasn't he? Remember I use the ebil magiks.

Because God works in mysterious ways- he kills base on his whims, if he doesn't want to kill you immediately, he wouldn't. God's whim are mysterious, he chooses who gets into heaven and who are sent to hell, as St. Paul tells us, and, his predestination has nothing to do with the merit of the person he chooses. If this is the system he chooses who to save, that even those who love him greatly may end up in hell because of his predestined reprobate status, then how can man possibly comprehend how he kills?

But what gives him the right (assuming god exists) to just kill and send to hell whomever he wants? Go to rationalwiki article Examples of God personally killing people, section Mysterious Ways which lays waste to your mysterious ways BS.

[Swith Witherward]

For one thing, the Bible mentions dinosaurs before we even knew they existed actually.

Dinosaurs are referred to in several Bible books. The book of Job describes two dinosaurs. One is described in chapter 40 starting at verse 15, and the other in chapter 41 starting at verse 1. We think you will agree that 1½ chapters about dinosaurs is a lot—since most people do not even realize that they are mentioned in the Bible.

The bible does not mention dinosaurs. You are referencing the Book of Job wherein there is a "behemoth" and a "leviathan". The former is the hippopotamus and the latter is the crocodile.

Behemoth wasn't interpreted as dinosaurs until the first paper on the "brontosaurus" (as it was called back then) was published in the late 1880s. Some silly people began interpreting behemoth as a dinosaur using the science of that time. You see, it was widely believed that an animal so large could not walk on land, ergo it lived in large rivers and ate river grasses. Using that faulty belief, they were able to rationalize the skeleton of the dinosaur on display and fit it into their Victorian-era thinking.

If we attempted to use the bible as a scientific reference book, we would need to reclassify bats. The bible counts them as birds. Lev 11:13-19.

[Newshore]

Why the hell does this topic exist?

If you've been on the internet for more than ten seconds you must have realized that religion is one of the worst topics to discuss, ever.

It NEVER leads to any conclusion and only leads to massive arguments that repeat themselves. Its utterly pointless.

[Dyakovo]

I thought his name was YHWH?

Doesn't change the fact that a singular אֱלֹהִ֔ים or god is meant to refer to the big man himself.

And thus out of respect is capitalized.

Which would be why I don't capitalize it.

[Katyuscha]

Why the hell does this topic exist?

If you've been on the internet for more than ten seconds you must have realized that religion is one of the worst topics to discuss, ever.

It NEVER leads to any conclusion and only leads to massive arguments that repeat themselves. Its utterly pointless.

Cuz it's fun/funny.

[Newshore]

Why the hell does this topic exist?

If you've been on the internet for more than ten seconds you must have realized that religion is one of the worst topics to discuss, ever.

It NEVER leads to any conclusion and only leads to massive arguments that repeat themselves. Its utterly pointless.

Cuz it's fun/funny.

Hardly, I don't see anyone having any fun in here.

[Durmatagno]

Why the hell does this topic exist?

If you've been on the internet for more than ten seconds you must have realized that religion is one of the worst topics to discuss, ever.

It NEVER leads to any conclusion and only leads to massive arguments that repeat themselves. Its utterly pointless.

Welcome to the staple of NSG, theres almost always one or two on the front page.

[Napkiraly]

The Bible is perfect? Please point out where the Bible is perfect.

[Deep Lemurania]

Christians, if Twilight isn't true, why is it so remarkable?

[Dyakovo]

Why the hell does this topic exist?

If you've been on the internet for more than ten seconds you must have realized that religion is one of the worst topics to discuss, ever.

It NEVER leads to any conclusion and only leads to massive arguments that repeat themselves. Its utterly pointless.

If you hate religious discussions so much, why'd you post in the thread?

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Why the hell does this topic exist?

If you've been on the internet for more than ten seconds you must have realized that religion is one of the worst topics to discuss, ever.

It NEVER leads to any conclusion and only leads to massive arguments that repeat themselves. Its utterly pointless.

I would say 1 in 567904 non-religious people become religious after being exposed to prolonged arguments, and 1 in 87214 religious people become non-religious.*

Atheists keep playing because they have to advantage. Christians keep playing because if they can't calculate the age of the Earth, they can't calculate probability. *rimshot*

* 73.4% of statistics found on the internet are made up on the spot

[Newshore]

Why the hell does this topic exist?

If you've been on the internet for more than ten seconds you must have realized that religion is one of the worst topics to discuss, ever.

It NEVER leads to any conclusion and only leads to massive arguments that repeat themselves. Its utterly pointless.

Welcome to the staple of NSG, theres almost always one or two on the front page.

I've seen many, I only have commented now because I wanted to make a point.

[Dyakovo]

Cuz it's fun/funny.

Hardly, I don't see anyone having any fun in here.

You need to open your eyes then.
I'm having fun.

[Newshore]

Why the hell does this topic exist?

If you've been on the internet for more than ten seconds you must have realized that religion is one of the worst topics to discuss, ever.

It NEVER leads to any conclusion and only leads to massive arguments that repeat themselves. Its utterly pointless.

If you hate religious discussions so much, why'd you post in the thread?

I wanted to see why people would continue a useless cycle over and over.