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Postby Genivaria » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:05 pm

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Already addressed. There is no way for a man and a women to be completely infertile, even if you have to implant the man's DNA into her egg through some other means.

So you support polygamy? That's a slippery slope. :p

I do. Same reason. If people who love each other wish to get married then who am I to say they can't?
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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:05 pm

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Women who are over 65 cannot have babies, thus lets ban their marriage.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_over_age_50

Most of those women disagree. Namely Mrs. Steve Pace.

You didn't address him. That is women over 50. Most, if not all of them were pre-menopause.
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Postby Daventry » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:06 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Mussoliniopoli wrote:So why is infertile couples ok but Homosexual relations are not? Oh because you are a Christian Bigot. Just admit it and get over it.


DId you read anything that I just said? We ban things that are obviously unable to reproduce to make fertile offspring, like men and stereos, men and men, men and dogs, and men and horses. There is no way to be 100% infertile, even if there's one gamete still hanging around and the odds are ridiculously low that your seed will survive to an egg. Even if you had no lower body, you could still take your DNA, the mother's egg and make a baby. Can't do that with two males or two females.


I once dated a girl who had had a complete hysterectomy. What percent chance would you say I had of impregnating her?

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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:06 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:So you support polygamy? That's a slippery slope. :p

I do. Same reason. If people who love each other wish to get married then who am I to say they can't?

I agree, my statement was satirical.
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Postby Beiluxia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:06 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:
Women who are over 65 cannot have babies, thus lets ban their marriage.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_over_age_50

Most of those women disagree. Namely Mrs. Steve Pace.

Mrs. Steve Pace =/= 99% of women who are infertile by their sixties. So apparently Mrs. Steve Pace's marriage is better than all the other elderly people in the world's because she can give birth? That's preposterous.
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:06 pm

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Get me a neutral source.


Give me a source for a reason why gay marriage is wrong. Which does not contain the following words "Fundiementlist," "Baptist," "Bible," and "Christian,"

Go on then.


I want a neutral source for facts, you want a neutral source for opinions (which, you know, is impossible). Though

http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/c ... ut_NOM.htm

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Postby Mussoliniopoli » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:06 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_over_age_50

Most of those women disagree. Namely Mrs. Steve Pace.

You didn't address him. That is women over 50. Most, if not all of them were pre-menopause.

He is illiterate and living in a cave while typing on a toaster give the man a break. This is his ideal society:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:07 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I do. Same reason. If people who love each other wish to get married then who am I to say they can't?

I agree, my statement was satirical.

Ah.
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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:07 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:
Give me a source for a reason why gay marriage is wrong. Which does not contain the following words "Fundiementlist," "Baptist," "Bible," and "Christian,"

Go on then.


I want a neutral source for facts, you want a neutral source for opinions (which, you know, is impossible). Though

http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/c ... ut_NOM.htm

That's an anti-Gay Marriage site. You can tell by the name.
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Postby Beiluxia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:09 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Beiluxia wrote:What about all those marriages that don't end up in having a baby? Marriage =/= having a baby, mind you. Should we annul all marriages where straight couples cannot have babies because of some defect?


Already addressed. There is no way for a man and a women to be completely infertile, even if you have to implant the man's DNA into her egg through some other means.

Irrelevant. You're saying that as long as a marriage has the possibility to create birth, then it is more of a marriage than those with less chance of creating life through inter-marital means. If that's the case, marriages which produce a bunch of offspring, only to end in divorce later, is better of a marriage than a life-long commitment between two people who decide not to have a child.
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:09 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_over_age_50

Most of those women disagree. Namely Mrs. Steve Pace.

You didn't address him. That is women over 50. Most, if not all of them were pre-menopause.


Did you even READ it?

73 years October 1941 Pace Steve Pace, her husband Natural conception United States Mrs Steve Pace, of Rose Hill[disambiguation needed], Virginia, is reported have given birth to her 17th child, a boy, in October 1941, at the incredible age of 73. She was then already mother of 16 children, whose the last was born in 1918, twenty-three years earlier.

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Postby Blakk Metal » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:10 pm

The Realm of God wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Get me a neutral source.


Give me a source for a reason why gay marriage is wrong. Which does not contain the following words: "Fundiementlist," "Baptist," "Bible," and "Christian,"

'faggot', 'sin', 'Sodom', 'god', 'trve', 'br00tal', 'nigga', 'nigger', 'brutal', 'sodomy'...

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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:10 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You didn't address him. That is women over 50. Most, if not all of them were pre-menopause.


Did you even READ it?

73 years October 1941 Pace Steve Pace, her husband Natural conception United States Mrs Steve Pace, of Rose Hill[disambiguation needed], Virginia, is reported have given birth to her 17th child, a boy, in October 1941, at the incredible age of 73. She was then already mother of 16 children, whose the last was born in 1918, twenty-three years earlier.

Alright, a tiny percentage of women give birth extremely late in life. Thus gay marriage is wrong.
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:10 pm

Beiluxia wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Already addressed. There is no way for a man and a women to be completely infertile, even if you have to implant the man's DNA into her egg through some other means.

Irrelevant. You're saying that as long as a marriage has the possibility to create birth, then it is more of a marriage than those with less chance of creating life through inter-marital means. If that's the case, marriages which produce a bunch of offspring, only to end in divorce later, is better of a marriage than a life-long commitment between two people who decide not to have a child.


You're conflating the words "better" with "more of"

I could use that same argument for Bob and his filing cabinet, who will be married for all time, as opposed to quickie celebrity marriages.

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Postby Beiluxia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:10 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You didn't address him. That is women over 50. Most, if not all of them were pre-menopause.


Did you even READ it?

73 years October 1941 Pace Steve Pace, her husband Natural conception United States Mrs Steve Pace, of Rose Hill[disambiguation needed], Virginia, is reported have given birth to her 17th child, a boy, in October 1941, at the incredible age of 73. She was then already mother of 16 children, whose the last was born in 1918, twenty-three years earlier.

reapeat from earlier post:

Mrs. Steve Pace =/= 99% of women who are infertile by their sixties. So apparently Mrs. Steve Pace's marriage is better than all the other elderly people in the world's because she can give birth at a really old age? That's preposterous.
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Postby Revolutopia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:10 pm

Mussoliniopoli wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You didn't address him. That is women over 50. Most, if not all of them were pre-menopause.

He is illiterate and living in a cave while typing on a toaster give the man a break. This is his ideal society:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk


People argue about the slippery slope of individuals marrying stereos are probably not "typing" on a toaster, so much as do something else.
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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:11 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Beiluxia wrote:Irrelevant. You're saying that as long as a marriage has the possibility to create birth, then it is more of a marriage than those with less chance of creating life through inter-marital means. If that's the case, marriages which produce a bunch of offspring, only to end in divorce later, is better of a marriage than a life-long commitment between two people who decide not to have a child.


You're conflating the words "better" with "more of"

I could use that same argument for Bob and his filing cabinet, who will be married for all time, as opposed to quickie celebrity marriages.

If Bob and his filing cabinet are in love, who are we to deny them?
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:11 pm

Alright, a tiny percentage of women give birth extremely late in life. Thus gay marriage is wrong.


Also, you can't read, evidently, for you did not see that.

Point is, there is no way to prove, or even be, 100% infertile.

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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:11 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Alright, a tiny percentage of women give birth extremely late in life. Thus gay marriage is wrong.


Also, you can't read, evidently, for you did not see that.

Point is, there is no way to prove, or even be, 100% infertile.

Dead is pretty good, as far as that goes.
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:11 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
You're conflating the words "better" with "more of"

I could use that same argument for Bob and his filing cabinet, who will be married for all time, as opposed to quickie celebrity marriages.

If Bob and his filing cabinet are in love, who are we to deny them?


And there goes your credibility. Reductio ad absurdum, the mathematical proof, strikes again.

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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:12 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Also, you can't read, evidently, for you did not see that.

Point is, there is no way to prove, or even be, 100% infertile.

Dead is pretty good, as far as that goes.


And notice how civil marriages are no longer in force when people die? You can't file for married status if your spouse is dead.

So, yeah, thanks for backing me up.

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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:13 pm

Beiluxia wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Did you even READ it?


reapeat from earlier post:

Mrs. Steve Pace =/= 99% of women who are infertile by their sixties. So apparently Mrs. Steve Pace's marriage is better than all the other elderly people in the world's because she can give birth at a really old age? That's preposterous.


I've already shown the heterosexual marriages which are childless are just as much of marriages as those with child. It's a theoretical imperfection stemming from the fact that at any age and condition a man and a woman can create a child.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:13 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:If Bob and his filing cabinet are in love, who are we to deny them?


And there goes your credibility. Reductio ad absurdum, the mathematical proof, strikes again.

Yes, your favorite argument. Hypocrite.
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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:14 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:If Bob and his filing cabinet are in love, who are we to deny them?


And there goes your credibility. Reductio ad absurdum, the mathematical proof, strikes again.

Bob loves his filing cabinet, and if he wants to marry it, so be it. It's his deal, aren't you conservatives about personal freedom?
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