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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:44 pm

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They very well can't!

Because that would open the door to all sorts of other non-procreative based relationships.

Who said marriage is all about procreation? Homosexuals can procreate.


Procreate means to produce young. Homosexuals are incapable of producing young.

A man and his dog can procreate, as they can adopt and raise the child! A woman and an office chair can too.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:45 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:Right, because seven billion people, many of whom are starving to death, isn't even close to enough human beings. :roll:


I don't follow.

We don't need any more people on Earth; we have way too many already. Therefore, the "marriage should only be for procreation" argument is drastically weakened if not outright destroyed.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:45 pm

Veladio wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
They very well can't!

Because that would open the door to all sorts of other non-procreative based relationships.

Who said marriage is all about procreation? Homosexuals can procreate.


Indeed. It amuses me they don't want to allow these people to get married when they could be marrying our sisters and daughters.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:45 pm

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Libertas Liber wrote:
I think he meant people's reaction to Dan Cathy's statement. Not necessarily that the question was asked.
I've read several statements about "liberal media" thus far.

Everything is controlled by the 'liberal media' don'tcha know?
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Postby Beiluxia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:45 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Right, because seven billion people, many of whom are starving to death, isn't even close to enough human beings. :roll:


I don't follow.

The world is already overpopulated.
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Postby Beiluxia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:45 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Veladio wrote:Who said marriage is all about procreation? Homosexuals can procreate.


Procreate means to produce young. Homosexuals are incapable of producing young.

A man and his dog can procreate, as they can adopt and raise the child! A woman and an office chair can too.

Ever heard of a surrogate mother?
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:45 pm

Katganistan wrote:
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By the way, by precedent it is constitutional to restrict marriage to one man one woman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_v._Nelson

By precedent it was constitutional to consider people property. We fixed that.
By precedent it was constitutional to forbid the production, sale, possession and use of alcohol. We fixed that too.
Be precedent it was constitutional to forbid whites and blacks to marry... we fixed that too.

See where we're going with this?


The two bolded were not by common law, they were by positive law.
Only the 3rd was by common law or precedent as you put it.
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Postby Katganistan » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:46 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Why can't a gay or bi man marry a gay or bi man, or a gay or bi woman a gay or bi woman?


They very well can't!

Because that would open the door to all sorts of other non-procreative based relationships.

So?
There are infertile couples. There are even couples who sterilize themselves not to have kids.
Your point?

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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:46 pm

Beiluxia wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
By the way, by precedent it is constitutional to restrict marriage to one man one woman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_v._Nelson

In the original Constitution, black people were considered 2/3 of a person. In the original Constitution, there was no First Amendment that allowed people to say the things that Chick-fil-a is saying today.



Until four years later

By the way, it's 3/5ths. If you're going to criticize it, criticize it right.
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Postby Veladio » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:46 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Veladio wrote:Who said marriage is all about procreation? Homosexuals can procreate.


Procreate means to produce young. Homosexuals are incapable of producing young.

A man and his dog can procreate, as they can adopt and raise the child! A woman and an office chair can too.

No...im pretty sure Homosexuals can still procreate, they still have reproductive organs. They are very well capable. But then again maybe you just haven't heard of these nice little things call Surrogates.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:47 pm

Katganistan wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
They very well can't!

Because that would open the door to all sorts of other non-procreative based relationships.

So?
There are infertile couples. There are even couples who sterilize themselves not to have kids.
Your point?

Which is something I'm going to have done to myself one I have 1 maybe 2 kids.
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Postby Veladio » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:47 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Veladio wrote:Who said marriage is all about procreation? Homosexuals can procreate.


Procreate means to produce young. Homosexuals are incapable of producing young.

A man and his dog can procreate, as they can adopt and raise the child! A woman and an office chair can too.

Homosexuals can adopt and raise a child.
I am a Wiccan. Do not assume I am an Atheist in Religion threads simply because I support complete Secularization of Government Entities.

Social Libertarian (could care less about Economics, there are people who are more educated at it, so it is a waste of time to try and debate me on it.). As stated above I am a Wiccan, and I find solidarity with the Egyptian Deities. I support government secularization as well as complete freedom of religion, as I believe that to truly be secular, the state must respect all beliefs, and favor none. And I recently enlisted in the United States Navy.

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Postby Beiluxia » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:47 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Beiluxia wrote:In the original Constitution, black people were considered 2/3 of a person. In the original Constitution, there was no First Amendment that allowed people to say the things that Chick-fil-a is saying today.



Until four years later

By the way, it's 3/5ths. If you're going to criticize it, criticize it right.

Exactly my point. Three hundred years later, is it not time to rethink our views of marriage either?
Edit: Whether it's 3/5 or 2/3 doesn't make either right.
Edit 2: I'd also like to add that you had to edit your own statement just to point out my mistake, so don't pretend like you didn't miss it either.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:48 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Beiluxia wrote:In the original Constitution, black people were considered 2/3 of a person. In the original Constitution, there was no First Amendment that allowed people to say the things that Chick-fil-a is saying today.



Until four years later


Try again.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:48 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Why can't a gay or bi man marry a gay or bi man, or a gay or bi woman a gay or bi woman?


They very well can't!

Because that would open the door to all sorts of other non-procreative based relationships.

Like ROBOSEX!?!
Genivaria wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
They very well can't!

Why not?

BECAUSE ROBOSEX
Katganistan wrote:By precedent it was constitutional to forbid the production, sale, possession and use of alcohol.

It still is.

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Postby Katganistan » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:48 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:Homosexuals are incapable of producing young.

Sorry, but penises and testicles, and ovaries and uteri, still work even if you're homosexual.
In other words: you're wrong.

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Postby The Realm of God » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:48 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Veladio wrote:Who said marriage is all about procreation? Homosexuals can procreate.


Procreate means to produce young. Homosexuals are incapable of producing young.

A man and his dog can procreate, as they can adopt and raise the child! A woman and an office chair can too.


What so wrong about two men who love each-other being allowed to marry?

Go on admit it..
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:49 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
They very well can't!

Because that would open the door to all sorts of other non-procreative based relationships.

Like ROBOSEX!?!
Genivaria wrote:Why not?

BECAUSE ROBOSEX

I would approve of this^.
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:50 pm

Veladio wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Procreate means to produce young. Homosexuals are incapable of producing young.

A man and his dog can procreate, as they can adopt and raise the child! A woman and an office chair can too.

No...im pretty sure Homosexuals can still procreate, they still have reproductive organs. They are very well capable. But then again maybe you just haven't heard of these nice little things call Surrogates.


So a homosexual relationship has to be adulterous to be procreative? The relationship itself is, the adulterous one is. A man and his filing cabinet can also have surrogates, by the way.

Tell them they can't get married because of consent? "OH YEAH? WHAT ABOUT MARRIED COUPLES WHERE ONE BECOMES RETARDED AND IS INCAPABLE OF FURTHER CONSENT, AND ALSO INCAPABLE OF GETTING A DIVORCE!" Then you tell them, it's just a theoretical imperfection. Just like some childless heterosexual marriages.

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Postby Mussoliniopoli » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:50 pm

The Realm of God wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Procreate means to produce young. Homosexuals are incapable of producing young.

A man and his dog can procreate, as they can adopt and raise the child! A woman and an office chair can too.


What so wrong about two men who love each-other being allowed to marry?

Go on admit it..

Not likely he will though hopefully he gets back into Kindergarten after the Summer is over and learns about being respectful of others. God we can only hope.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:51 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Veladio wrote:No...im pretty sure Homosexuals can still procreate, they still have reproductive organs. They are very well capable. But then again maybe you just haven't heard of these nice little things call Surrogates.


So a homosexual relationship has to be adulterous to be procreative? The relationship itself is, the adulterous one is. A man and his filing cabinet can also have surrogates, by the way.

Tell them they can't get married because of consent? "OH YEAH? WHAT ABOUT MARRIED COUPLES WHERE ONE BECOMES RETARDED AND IS INCAPABLE OF FURTHER CONSENT, AND ALSO INCAPABLE OF GETTING A DIVORCE!" Then you tell them, it's just a theoretical imperfection. Just like some childless heterosexual marriages.


I'm sorry. I am still digging through that looking for a point.
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Postby Mussoliniopoli » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:51 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Veladio wrote:No...im pretty sure Homosexuals can still procreate, they still have reproductive organs. They are very well capable. But then again maybe you just haven't heard of these nice little things call Surrogates.


So a homosexual relationship has to be adulterous to be procreative? The relationship itself is, the adulterous one is. A man and his filing cabinet can also have surrogates, by the way.

Tell them they can't get married because of consent? "OH YEAH? WHAT ABOUT MARRIED COUPLES WHERE ONE BECOMES RETARDED AND IS INCAPABLE OF FURTHER CONSENT, AND ALSO INCAPABLE OF GETTING A DIVORCE!" Then you tell them, it's just a theoretical imperfection. Just like some childless heterosexual marriages.

I like how you are dodging the questions about infertile couples. Bigotry is hard to admit isn't it?
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Postby The Realm of God » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:51 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Veladio wrote:No...im pretty sure Homosexuals can still procreate, they still have reproductive organs. They are very well capable. But then again maybe you just haven't heard of these nice little things call Surrogates.


So a homosexual relationship has to be adulterous to be procreative? The relationship itself is, the adulterous one is. A man and his filing cabinet can also have surrogates, by the way.

Tell them they can't get married because of consent? "OH YEAH? WHAT ABOUT MARRIED COUPLES WHERE ONE BECOMES RETARDED AND IS INCAPABLE OF FURTHER CONSENT, AND ALSO INCAPABLE OF GETTING A DIVORCE!" Then you tell them, it's just a theoretical imperfection. Just like some childless heterosexual marriages.


Admit it you just want to pass laws making Christian Fundiementalism law. I have lost all respect I had for you. (although that implys I had some in the first place)
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:52 pm

The Realm of God wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Procreate means to produce young. Homosexuals are incapable of producing young.

A man and his dog can procreate, as they can adopt and raise the child! A woman and an office chair can too.


What so wrong about two men who love each-other being allowed to marry?

Go on admit it..


What is so wrong about a man who loves his sound system getting married to it, when it can't suffer if the marriage is bad but would make the man very happy? We let people do things to inanimate objects like cut them up, burn them, crush them, throw them in a fire, make contracts of TOTAL OWNERSHIP on them. Why are you opposed to this man treating his sound system like a partner?

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Postby Katganistan » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:52 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Katganistan wrote:By precedent it was constitutional to forbid the production, sale, possession and use of alcohol.

It still is.

Really?

Well, fuck, Yuengling and Busch, Jack Daniels, Stoli, all the folks who make their own mead and beer and wine are in trouble.
Liquor/package stores are operating in direct contravention of the law!
Churches are in possession of ILLEGAL communion wine and DISTRIBUTING IT!!!!


Yeah, that was a pretty silly remark you made.
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