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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:31 am

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If I had my way, there wouldn't be a death sentence at all, but we don't all share the same politics and there is no reason why they can't seek to change the justice system like anyone else can.


You know what they call it when an entire group of people is executed? Genocide Chick-Fil-A is literally giving money to a group supporting Genocide.

This is no longer an issue of your political views it is outlandishly evil and shouldn't be tolerated by anyone with any sense of moral decency.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:31 am

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Ifreann wrote:That may be one of the most despicable things I've ever heard.


If I had my way, there wouldn't be a death sentence at all, but we don't all share the same politics and there is no reason why they can't seek to change the justice system like anyone else can.

No, you don't get to pretend that you're a reasonable person if you don't have a problem with trying to kill off gay people just because they want to do it legally. That's just fucking awful.

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Postby Raeyh » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:32 am

Gauthier wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
If I had my way, there wouldn't be a death sentence at all, but we don't all share the same politics and there is no reason why they can't seek to change the justice system like anyone else can.


Just life imprisonment instead right?

Well, at least NSG knows you're willing to look the other way when a major American corporation gives money towards legalizing the execution of homosexuals just because it's in another country and you can't be bothered about it.


I wouldn't really care if they did it here in America apart from the fact that I'm opposed to the death penalty in general.

I don't consider sex to be a right.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:33 am

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Gauthier wrote:
Just life imprisonment instead right?

Well, at least NSG knows you're willing to look the other way when a major American corporation gives money towards legalizing the execution of homosexuals just because it's in another country and you can't be bothered about it.


I wouldn't really care if they did it here in America apart from the fact that I'm opposed to the death penalty in general.

I don't consider sex to be a right.


So you're in favor of executing homosexuals, aside from the bit about the death penalty.

What a humanitarian you are.
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:33 am

Raeyh wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Just life imprisonment instead right?

Well, at least NSG knows you're willing to look the other way when a major American corporation gives money towards legalizing the execution of homosexuals just because it's in another country and you can't be bothered about it.


I wouldn't really care if they did it here in America apart from the fact that I'm opposed to the death penalty in general.

I don't consider sex to be a right.


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Postby R Ev0lution » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:33 am

Raeyh wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Just life imprisonment instead right?

Well, at least NSG knows you're willing to look the other way when a major American corporation gives money towards legalizing the execution of homosexuals just because it's in another country and you can't be bothered about it.


I wouldn't really care if they did it here in America apart from the fact that I'm opposed to the death penalty in general.

I don't consider sex to be a right.

Really? Why not?

Do you live in a town where buildings are made out of glass, and any act of sex can therefore be considered public indecency?

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Postby Raeyh » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:38 am

R Ev0lution wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
I wouldn't really care if they did it here in America apart from the fact that I'm opposed to the death penalty in general.

I don't consider sex to be a right.

Really? Why not?

Do you live in a town where buildings are made out of glass, and any act of sex can therefore be considered public indecency?


For the same reason selling illegal drugs destroys lives, engaging in sexual activity also destroys lives. There is a reason why it is illegal for homosexuals to donate blood. If they think that homosexuality is especially dangerous to public health, they have reason to make it illegal and then set a punishment. It would be much more egalitarian to simply criminalize all sex, but I don't think the politicians will take that route.

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Postby Slarvainian » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:38 am

Shouldn’t they be allowed to say anything they want as long as they don’t discriminate against a group of people?

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Postby R Ev0lution » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:41 am

Raeyh wrote:
R Ev0lution wrote:Really? Why not?

Do you live in a town where buildings are made out of glass, and any act of sex can therefore be considered public indecency?


For the same reason selling illegal drugs destroys lives, engaging in sexual activity also destroys lives. There is a reason why it is illegal for homosexuals to donate blood. If they think that homosexuality is especially dangerous to public health, they have reason to make it illegal and then set a punishment. It would be much more egalitarian to simply criminalize all sex, but I don't think the politicians will take that route.

Homosexuals can't donate blood because, back in the 1980s when we didn't understand anything about HIV/AIDS, we thought that the LGBT population was riddled with it.

Now that we know better, virtually any half-decent doctor can tell you that the policy is outdated and needs to be overturned.

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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:43 am

Raeyh wrote:
For the same reason selling illegal drugs destroys lives, engaging in sexual activity also destroys lives. There is a reason why it is illegal for homosexuals to donate blood. If they think that homosexuality is especially dangerous to public health, they have reason to make it illegal and then set a punishment. It would be much more egalitarian to simply criminalize all sex, but I don't think the politicians will take that route.


Source?
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Postby R Ev0lution » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:43 am

Slarvainian wrote:Shouldn’t they be allowed to say anything they want as long as they don’t discriminate against a group of people?

Discrimination: Treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

Sure. They can say whatever they want. Just like we can say whatever we want, and spend our money wherever we want.

Just because you're allowed to say whatever you want doesn't mean that you don't have to deal with the consequences. You're allowed to tell your significant other that (s)he's a worthless whore; it doesn't mean that (s)he can't break up with you over it.
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Postby Raeyh » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:45 am

R Ev0lution wrote: Now that we know better, virtually any half-decent doctor can tell you that the policy is outdated and needs to be overturned.


Then why are the only people who call for it's being overturned do so for political reasons while the FDA (who are actually doctors and health professionals) resists all change for the safety of recipients?


Des-Bal wrote:
Source?


There are plenty of people who have died from sex related illness. Freddie Mercury, for example.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:48 am

Raeyh wrote:
R Ev0lution wrote:Really? Why not?

Do you live in a town where buildings are made out of glass, and any act of sex can therefore be considered public indecency?


For the same reason selling illegal drugs destroys lives, engaging in sexual activity also destroys lives.


No, not really, no more than engaging in polite conversation can destroy lives. Sex actually creates life too - strange, right?

There is a reason why it is illegal for homosexuals to donate blood.


Yes, yes, higher prevalence of AIDS, allegedly.

If they think that homosexuality is especially dangerous to public health, they have reason to make it illegal and then set a punishment.


I'd say that executing people on the basis of whom they're attracted to is a bit harsh, personally.

It would be much more egalitarian to simply criminalize all sex, but I don't think the politicians will take that route.


:rofl: I just can't quite believe that you believe that. Any reason why you consider sex, which is more or less necessary to maintain the human population until we perfect cloning, and is also enjoyable, to be an abomination?
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:49 am

Raeyh wrote:Then why are the only people who call for it's being overturned do so for political reasons while the FDA (who are actually doctors and health professionals) resists all change for the safety of recipients?


Source? If you're going to spout off on why people doing things you better have something to back it up.

Also Doctors and Health Professionals will tell you that since blood donations are screened so heavily there really isn't any reason to discriminate against gays.
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Postby R Ev0lution » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:50 am

Raeyh wrote:Then why are the only people who call for it's being overturned do so for political reasons while the FDA (who are actually doctors and health professionals) resists all change for the safety of recipients?

This is the same FDA which will let heterosexual men who have had sex with prostitutes knowingly-infected with HIV to donate blood.

If you want honestly to place faith in their policies regarding blood-donation, then I'm terribly, terribly sorry for you.

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Postby Dusk_Kittens » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
I don't see any problem with it. If he were funding the assassination of gays in Uganda, it would be different, but they are going about it in a legal fashion.

That may be one of the most despicable things I've ever heard.


Yeah, I read it and was like "Wait, what? Did you really just say that?" *blink blink*

So "assassination" would be "bad" (presumably because it's at least theoretically illegal), but making a law so that the government is "authorized" to kill the same people is perfectly acceptable, because it has been legislated? The Philosophes of the French Enlightenment must be rolling over in their graves over all the ignorance, superstition, irrationality, and prejudice they sought to eradicate, because those same things are obviously alive and well, over 200 years later. And wasn't the Enlightenment partially responsible for our supposedly freer societies? Oh, wait. I guess freedom is bad, too?

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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:51 am

Raeyh wrote:There are plenty of people who have died from sex related illness. Freddie Mercury, for example.


There are plenty of people who have died from skin cancer, the sun destroys lives.
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Postby Raeyh » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:52 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Raeyh wrote:Then why are the only people who call for it's being overturned do so for political reasons while the FDA (who are actually doctors and health professionals) resists all change for the safety of recipients?


Source? If you're going to spout off on why people doing things you better have something to back it up.


We have the New York City Council (politicians), Assembly Judiciary Committee (judges), and the DC City Council (politicians). Those aren't groups of doctors, they are all political people. And everything politicians do is for political reasons.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:52 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Raeyh wrote:There are plenty of people who have died from sex related illness. Freddie Mercury, for example.


There are plenty of people who have died from skin cancer, the sun destroys lives.


Let's ban the sun. And food, too, because too much of that can kill you. And water, because you can drown in it.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:53 am

Raeyh wrote:
We have the New York City Council (politicians), Assembly Judiciary Committee (judges), and the DC City Council (politicians). Those aren't groups of doctors, they are all political people. And everything politicians do is for political reasons.


Bullshit.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:54 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
There are plenty of people who have died from skin cancer, the sun destroys lives.


Let's ban the sun. And food, too, because too much of that can kill you. And water, because you can drown in it.
And cars. They kill LOTS of people every year.

Raeyh wrote:
We have the New York City Council (politicians), Assembly Judiciary Committee (judges), and the DC City Council (politicians). Those aren't groups of doctors, they are all political people. And everything politicians do is for political reasons.
Got some sauce to go with all of those claims?
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Postby R Ev0lution » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:55 am

Raeyh wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Source?


There are plenty of people who have died from sex related illness. Freddie Mercury, for example.

Yes. Because one individual case study is representative of the entire population. By your logic, all Muslims are terrorists, all Catholics are child-molestors, and everybody who has seen Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy is liable to walk into a theatre and start gunning people down in cold blood.

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Northern Dominus wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Let's ban the sun. And food, too, because too much of that can kill you. And water, because you can drown in it.
And cars. They kill LOTS of people every year.

And mountains. We have people getting killed by mountains all the time in Colorado. And snow, too.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:56 am

Northern Dominus wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Let's ban the sun. And food, too, because too much of that can kill you. And water, because you can drown in it.
And cars. They kill LOTS of people every year.


And cells, because they can become cancerous and kill you. In fact, let's just ban humanity.
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Postby Raeyh » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:56 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Raeyh wrote:There are plenty of people who have died from sex related illness. Freddie Mercury, for example.


There are plenty of people who have died from skin cancer, the sun destroys lives.


Yes, sun bathing should be discouraged if not made illegal. There is no reason to intentionally expose yourself to the sun for long periods of time.

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