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Postby Ryanisking » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:53 pm

I am for gay marriage but closing down chick fill a is unconstitonal if he was calling for a genecide that is different he just said he was against
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Postby Vampyrus » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:55 pm

I seriously can't believe your country is in so much uproar over a God damned restaurant. Just give the homosexuals their marriage rights already, my God.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:59 pm

Ryanisking wrote:I am for gay marriage but closing down chick fill a is unconstitonal if he was calling for a genecide that is different he just said he was against

Is it too much to ask, at this stage in the story, that people actually be somewhat caught up on what the situation at hand actually is?

I mean, if you have only a passing familiarity with something that's been going on for weeks now, do we really need to hear your contribution when it's so very likely to not only be a completely wrong notion of what the issue is but one that has been repeatedly made and corrected on practically every page?

Can't we stop this merry-go-round at it's source by stopping yourself before hitting "Post Reply" and ask yourself, "I clearly only barely understand this subject. Perhaps my input would simply duplicate many stupid misguided statements already made. Maybe I shall read a page or two before making my banal one or two line 'observation' in a thread several pages deep."
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Postby Bralia » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:04 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Dempublicents1 wrote:
So mayors don't have the right to express their opinions? They can't say, "I really don't want this corporation that pumps millions of dollars into anti-LGBT causes to come here"? Because that's all they did - talk. No one has blocked CFA from expanding. The only person who actually said anything and has the legal authority to block said expansion has said that he will approve their permit if they provide a written nondiscrimination policy. Simple enough.

Also, just to clarify one more time - this is not about anyone's "privately held beliefs". It is about a corporation that dumps millions of dollars a year into the promotion of anti-LGBT causes.

And not just typical anti-LGBT causes. They donate to groups that lobby in favor of "kill the gays" legislation in Africa.

What!? Source, please!
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:04 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Ryanisking wrote:I am for gay marriage but closing down chick fill a is unconstitonal if he was calling for a genecide that is different he just said he was against

Is it too much to ask, at this stage in the story, that people actually be somewhat caught up on what the situation at hand actually is?

I mean, if you have only a passing familiarity with something that's been going on for weeks now, do we really need to hear your contribution when it's so very likely to not only be a completely wrong notion of what the issue is but one that has been repeatedly made and corrected on practically every page?

Can't we stop this merry-go-round at it's source by stopping yourself before hitting "Post Reply" and ask yourself, "I clearly only barely understand this subject. Perhaps my input would simply duplicate many stupid misguided statements already made. Maybe I shall read a page or two before making my banal one or two line 'observation' in a thread several pages deep."

Oh ye of high expectations. :lol:
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:07 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Is it too much to ask, at this stage in the story, that people actually be somewhat caught up on what the situation at hand actually is?

I mean, if you have only a passing familiarity with something that's been going on for weeks now, do we really need to hear your contribution when it's so very likely to not only be a completely wrong notion of what the issue is but one that has been repeatedly made and corrected on practically every page?

Can't we stop this merry-go-round at it's source by stopping yourself before hitting "Post Reply" and ask yourself, "I clearly only barely understand this subject. Perhaps my input would simply duplicate many stupid misguided statements already made. Maybe I shall read a page or two before making my banal one or two line 'observation' in a thread several pages deep."

Oh ye of high expectations. :lol:

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Postby Miss Defied » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:09 pm

Bralia wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:And not just typical anti-LGBT causes. They donate to groups that lobby in favor of "kill the gays" legislation in Africa.

What!? Source, please!


Probably this.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:11 pm

Bralia wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:And not just typical anti-LGBT causes. They donate to groups that lobby in favor of "kill the gays" legislation in Africa.

What!? Source, please!

Chick-a-fil -> WinShape foundation
The WinShape Foundation is an American charitable endeavor of the fast-food restaurant chain Chick-fil-A and its founder Truett Cathy and his family


WinShape foundation -> Donates money to Family Research Council.

Family Research Council -> spent $25,000 lobbying Congress to NOT condemn Uganda’s “Kill The Gays” bill.
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Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Dempublicents1 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:32 pm

Bralia wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:And not just typical anti-LGBT causes. They donate to groups that lobby in favor of "kill the gays" legislation in Africa.

What!? Source, please!


I don't know of any actual public lobbying in favor of the death penalty laws for homosexuality, but organizations like the FRC and others receiving donations from CFA do spread lies about homosexuality worldwide and those lies feed into such laws in Africa. They have also lobbied against any attempts within the US to condemn such laws and often applauded the continuation of extreme anti-LGBT laws in those countries.

So maybe they aren't out there publicly stating that the killing is a good thing, but they are supporting it in other ways.
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:49 pm

They donated directly to Exodus International, which sent Scott Lively to Uganda to start the whole "kill the gays" movement (although he since says that he is shocked, shocked, to see gambling in Rick's Cafe).
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:53 pm

Adventus Secundus wrote:And marriage is still a sacrament, in my religion and in many others. Your point?

"Marriage" is a legal institution. "Matrimony" is a sacrament, in the Catholic and Orthodox churches. The churches used to be careful about distinguishing between the two.
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Postby Tekania » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:26 am

Tmutarakhan wrote:
Adventus Secundus wrote:And marriage is still a sacrament, in my religion and in many others. Your point?

"Marriage" is a legal institution. "Matrimony" is a sacrament, in the Catholic and Orthodox churches. The churches used to be careful about distinguishing between the two.


That's because most of the people throwing around the "marriage is a sacrament" phrase have no clue what they are talking about. They've heard the term used somewhere and then merely parroted it.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:22 am

Tmutarakhan wrote:They donated directly to Exodus International, which sent Scott Lively to Uganda to start the whole "kill the gays" movement (although he since says that he is shocked, shocked, to see gambling in Rick's Cafe).

Sounds like "Hate the sin, love the sinner" to me.

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Postby Dark Side Messiahs » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:27 am

Never eaten at a Chick-Fil-A, dont plan on eating at one in the future, I honestly dont give two shits about what some dickhead in a suit thinks
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:28 am

Dark Side Messiahs wrote:Never eaten at a Chick-Fil-A, dont plan on eating at one in the future, I honestly dont give two shits about what some dickhead in a suit thinks

It's less what he thinks and more how he uses his money to deprive gays of their rights that people object to.

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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:31 am

Gravlen wrote:
Bralia wrote:What!? Source, please!

Chick-a-fil -> WinShape foundation
The WinShape Foundation is an American charitable endeavor of the fast-food restaurant chain Chick-fil-A and its founder Truett Cathy and his family


WinShape foundation -> Donates money to Family Research Council.

Family Research Council -> spent $25,000 lobbying Congress to NOT condemn Uganda’s “Kill The Gays” bill.


You just changed my position, rare occurrence. While I still believe that they have the right to have their own views and to donate money to lobbyist groups I can only agree now that it's really the individuals responsibility not to work for for chick-fil-a or buy their food.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:45 am

Ryanisking wrote:I am for gay marriage but closing down chick fill a is unconstitonal if he was calling for a genecide that is different he just said he was against


Given that Chick-Fil-A donates to organizations classified as hate groups by the SPLC that have people calling for Gay Deportations as well as Praying Away Gays, it's almost as bad.
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Postby Dark Side Messiahs » Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:11 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dark Side Messiahs wrote:Never eaten at a Chick-Fil-A, dont plan on eating at one in the future, I honestly dont give two shits about what some dickhead in a suit thinks

It's less what he thinks and more how he uses his money to deprive gays of their rights that people object to.

Unfortunately he has the right to voice his opinion on the matter as it is given to him under the Constitution as an individual, it is despicable he is choosing to use his money in that fashion but it is his right. Not saying I support it, I just want his rich ass to pay more taxes.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:14 am

Dark Side Messiahs wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's less what he thinks and more how he uses his money to deprive gays of their rights that people object to.

Unfortunately he has the right to voice his opinion on the matter as it is given to him under the Constitution as an individual, it is despicable he is choosing to use his money in that fashion but it is his right. Not saying I support it, I just want his rich ass to pay more taxes.


Even when that money went to a group pushing for legalized execution of gays in Uganda?
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Postby R Ev0lution » Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:20 am

Dark Side Messiahs wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's less what he thinks and more how he uses his money to deprive gays of their rights that people object to.

Unfortunately he has the right to voice his opinion on the matter as it is given to him under the Constitution as an individual, it is despicable he is choosing to use his money in that fashion but it is his right. Not saying I support it, I just want his rich ass to pay more taxes.

It's also our right to express our strong disapproval of his actions and opinions, and to make this disapproval palpable by boycotting his business into the ground.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:24 am

Dark Side Messiahs wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's less what he thinks and more how he uses his money to deprive gays of their rights that people object to.

Unfortunately he has the right to voice his opinion on the matter as it is given to him under the Constitution as an individual, it is despicable he is choosing to use his money in that fashion but it is his right. Not saying I support it, I just want his rich ass to pay more taxes.

I don't believe that anyone has suggested he not be allowed spend his money, or Chick-Fil-A's money in so far as he has authority over it, as he sees fit.

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Postby Raeyh » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:16 am

Gauthier wrote:
Dark Side Messiahs wrote:Unfortunately he has the right to voice his opinion on the matter as it is given to him under the Constitution as an individual, it is despicable he is choosing to use his money in that fashion but it is his right. Not saying I support it, I just want his rich ass to pay more taxes.


Even when that money went to a group pushing for legalized execution of gays in Uganda?


I don't see any problem with it. If he were funding the assassination of gays in Uganda, it would be different, but they are going about it in a legal fashion.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:18 am

Raeyh wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Even when that money went to a group pushing for legalized execution of gays in Uganda?


I don't see any problem with it. If he were funding the assassination of gays in Uganda, it would be different, but they are going about it in a legal fashion.

That may be one of the most despicable things I've ever heard.

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Postby Raeyh » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:23 am

Ifreann wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
I don't see any problem with it. If he were funding the assassination of gays in Uganda, it would be different, but they are going about it in a legal fashion.

That may be one of the most despicable things I've ever heard.


If I had my way, there wouldn't be a death sentence at all, but we don't all share the same politics and there is no reason why they can't seek to change the justice system like anyone else can.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:25 am

Raeyh wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That may be one of the most despicable things I've ever heard.


If I had my way, there wouldn't be a death sentence at all, but we don't all share the same politics and there is no reason why they can't seek to change the justice system like anyone else can.


Just life imprisonment instead right?

Well, at least NSG knows you're willing to look the other way when a major American corporation gives money towards legalizing the execution of homosexuals just because it's in another country and you can't be bothered about it.
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